India and Pakistan
Will you do any updates about the aftermate to the Nuclear War in India and Pakistan?
Will you do any updates about the aftermate to the Nuclear War in India and Pakistan?
Sideways
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Just caught up with this, and I was pleasantly surprised to see a limited nuclear war. Which is not a sentence people often get to say. I have few comments, except that I'd like it if some of the culture/election stuff focused on China as well as the USA.
I would love to read a good description of the Chinese political system.
I would love to read a good description of the Chinese political system.
Event: Impact of Kargil War
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A History of Modern China
Bad Moon Rising
A History of Modern China
Bad Moon Rising
The aftermath of the Kargil War has greater ramifications for modern history than the actual war itself. While millions of Pakistanis and Indians died in the resultant war; the post-war effects spread beyond the region the bombs fell.
Due to the terrain of the Indian subcontinent, most of the radioactive fallout of the war was unable to carry outside of certain regions; creating heavy pockets of radioactivity in certain mountainous areas, and little radiation in some other areas as well. The city of New Delhi, at least, what remained after the detonation of a Pakistani warhead which resulted in the decapitation of India's government; quickly degenerated into pitiful slums by the end of 2000.
In the relatively undamaged South and East; new forces rose that ensured the complete breakage of continuity from the old regime. The People's Republic of Bangladesh, an ally of China, occupied the majority of Bengal, which primarily had populations similar to that in Bangladesh proper. The Bangladeshi government renamed itself to proper "Bengal" the following month, establishing a new "state", marking a new age.
China's annexation of Arunachal Pradesh was a silent one; with little knock-on effect as the UN ignored it and no objections were raised.
Just prior to the Kargil War, India's population had reached 1 billion lives; making it the most populous nation on Earth. China was in a close second with approx. 750 million lives. As of the last censuses conducted by the various governments in the former Indian territories; this population has dramatically collapsed; primarily due to the dramatic failure of developing technologies, new agricultural standards and medical facilities in the hard-hit territories. The South Indian states rode out the war in the best; retaining most of their pre-war populations; but in the ensuing years, faced the growing refugee crisis that engulfed the entire world.
The radioactive pollutants poisoned significant amounts of drinkable water in the subcontinent, and killed thousands due to radiation poisoning over the early 2000s. Refugees, fleeing, hoping to find new life elsewhere; took en-masse to other nations, with Bangladesh, the South Indian states, as well as Europe and the Americas receiving the brunt of the refugees. Bangladesh suffered immensely from this refugee crisis; which only exacerbated their own issues with the pollutants and radiation poisoning on the increase.
In 2001, Bangladesh and the Beijing Pact powers implemented serious restrictions on immigration from "war-zones", which drew condemnation from many European nations as "irresponsible". Beijing defended the policy as saying that "China and her allies cannot be expected to support these people as we build ourselves up through cooperative democratic principles." The only refugees that were permitted within the Beijing Pact typically originated from Bangladesh.
The United States, as well, implemented quotas on refugee admissions from the Indian subcontinent in 2002 after concerns rose that the various immigrants coming into the nation from the subcontinent increased crime rates, and typically became reliant on the state as the cancer and other maladies of radiation and nuclear war kicked in on them. It was an unpopular move, but it wasn't criticized wholesale.
From December 1999 to April 2000; a terrible famine struck the subcontinent, and the effects were felt almost universally. The framework of democracy in the South of India, and the Beijing Pact's investments into their new puppet regimes were threatened as foot riots began to breakout in survivor communities.
Relief from the famine's devastation came through the United Nations and general agreements on providing food aid to the impoverished and devastated peoples of the subcontinent. After the passage of restrictions by the US and China in the early 2000s; immigration from the subcontinent shifted primarily to Africa and Europe; causing significant trouble for these nations in dealing with the large scale migrations.
Other major geopolitical effects of the Kargil War had yet to be felt, but in a matter of a few years; they would be felt as well.
Event: 2000 Thai coup d'etat
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A History of Modern China
One Night In Bangkok
February 22, 2000
A History of Modern China
One Night In Bangkok
February 22, 2000
February 22, 2000 marked the collapse of the Thai state's precarious military junta that had been in place since the mid-1970s. For years, the Communist Party of Thailand, and allied democratic paramilitaries had been in a locked struggle for dominance with the standing military regime, whose right-wing insistence had further alienated her from the closest ideological ally -- the United States.
By the turn of the millennium, the United States, China and the Soviet Union had practically reached an agreement on how the world worked -- they stayed primarily out of each other's business and tried not to fuck each other over; and the world would stay peaceful. Soviet-Chinese-American joint efforts in space, science, technology and environmentalism showed that the Cold War had ended, and a new geopolitical era had begun.
February 22, 2000 was the day that the "United Front For Democracy" finally broke the power of the Thai junta. Managing to score a string of victories, the junta's forces phased back and attempted to erect a defense of Bangkok. However, the paramilitaries found allies within the city, and the military faced significant upswing in civilian unrest; forcing attempts to make the civilians submit, which only exacerbated the obvious unrest.
Late in the night of February 22, the junta leaders were arrested by the United Front, and the state fell to the Communist leadership, who immediately set out to prop up a new "People's Republic of Thailand"; yet another People's Republic in a sea of communist states in the Far East. The new PRT government affirmed to democratic principles, and began looking into restoring faith and democracy in Thailand.
Though, one of the first actions of the new Thai regime, was a large-scale purge of generals from the Thai military; primarily with the assistance of the other paramilitary groups and the People's Liberation Army. This was undertaken in the hopes that it could avoid yet another military coup d'etat some years down the line.
Thailand's new communist flag was taken heavily from the Soviet flag.
Profile: Vice President Bernie Sanders
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Profile: Vice President Bernard Sanders
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Profile: Vice President Bernard Sanders
Bernard Sanders is commonly stated to be the "first Socialist in the White House". From his early involvement in the political system in the 1960s, Sanders primarily campaigned on a policy of civil rights and justice. The tide of the 20th century rolled with him, bringing him into the mainstream of modern politics; a stark contrast to what "could have happened".
While remaining not a Democrat, Sanders served as Mayor of Burlington, VT during most of the 1980s, primarily serving with pride, his community. In 1989, he was elevated to the United States House of Representatives, where he struck gold. His tirades and support for new leftist agendas enamored him with the leftist factions in the Democratic Party, leading to him joining the party in the Spring of 1991.
He was a strong public speaker, and was known for his vehement disavowing of right-wing policies primarily advocated by some Southern Democrats, and some Republicans as well. In a particularly noted event in the Summer of 1991, he criticized and questioned the pro-life stance of Representative William Blythe (R-AR), a notable right-wing Republican.
However, he was also known for support across the aisle in terms of his environmental and tax policies; gaining allies in the form of Senator Arnold Gore (R-TN), Representative Herbert Bush (D-TX), among other major figures, including one John Conyers of Michigan.
Sanders was canvassed to serve on the Vice Presidential spot on the 1992 Democratic ticket after a speech in the House of Representatives interested the Presidential candidate, who asked him to serve as this Veep. After their victory of the third-term-seeking Haig, he has served as Vice President ever since.
With the 2000 election on the horizon, questions are raised as to if Bernard will be Vice President again; or if Conyers will step aside and let his Vice President run for his own. When asked, Sanders laughed and said he hadn't given it too much thought, with the crises in India.
Though, popular polling has theorized that the "best Veep" for Sanders if he was to run for President, would be Herbert Bush, eldest son of former CIA Director George Bush, and brother of Florida Governor John Bush (a Democrat). Herbert and John's political policies differ from their fathers, who served in Haig's administration from start to finish.
The 59 year old Vice President remains popular with the public, and is a standard-bearer for the leftist sentiment that has engulfed America in the last generation; with hope that it will sustain.
Profile: American Politicians, 2000
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((I know we're not covering China, but I'm trying to expand the universe.))
William Jefferson Blythe is one of the Republican Party's more notable right-wing orators. Blythe was born in Hope, Arkansas in 1946 to a middle-class family. From the beginning, he has been a notable opponent to integration, and the leftist policies of the Democratic Party.
His right-wing populism has gained him the moniker "Führer Bill" in the Grand Old Party; as many mainstream Republicans, including Newt Gingrich, Joe Lieberman, and Hillary Rodham Williams paint him as a "vocal minority in the party". Blythe leads a small caucus of right-wing populists in the House of Representatives that has supporters from radical right figures in both parties.
Blythe however, is popular enough in his home-state to keep being elected to the House. He has attempted to run for the Republican nomination in 1992 and 1996, and has failed both times, being shut out by the establishment, who wants nothing to do with this vicious demagogue.
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Hillary Rodham Williams is one of the leading Republican figures in the United States Senate, serving as the Minority Whip. She was born in Chicago, Illinois in 1947. She is considered to be "centrist-right" on many issues. She is opposed to many of the Democratic Party's liberal policies, and often is quoted in newspapers as "accusing the Democrats of pandering to minorities".
She has a seat on the United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, and was a driving legislative force behind the providing of foreign aid to the various Indian and Pakistani successor regimes. She remains a moderating figure in the Grand Old Party, and is considered "presidential material".
As a young woman, she volunteered in the "Re-Elect Rockefeller" campaign in 1964, and in Harold Stassen's successful bid in 1968, and his unsuccessful one in 1972.
She and her husband married in 1975 and have one daughter, Elizabeth.
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Herbert Bush is a Democrat in the U.S. House of Representatives from Texas. The eldest son of George Bush, the former CIA Director during the Haig administration, he has pursued an aggressive political career; even if his beliefs do not align with those of his father.
"Herb" is a plain-spoken, yet charismatic man. As a result of his charisma, and his easy-to-love nature, he was elected Speaker of the House in 1997 after the resignation of his predecessor. As Speaker of the House, he has tried his best to remain bipartisan, while, of course, favoring Democratic legislation.
He has opened an exploratory committee into running in 2000, and is considering entering the primary.
((Any other American politicians you want me to do?
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Profiles: Some Famous Politicians in America, 2000
A History of Modern China
Profiles: Some Famous Politicians in America, 2000
William Jefferson Blythe is one of the Republican Party's more notable right-wing orators. Blythe was born in Hope, Arkansas in 1946 to a middle-class family. From the beginning, he has been a notable opponent to integration, and the leftist policies of the Democratic Party.
His right-wing populism has gained him the moniker "Führer Bill" in the Grand Old Party; as many mainstream Republicans, including Newt Gingrich, Joe Lieberman, and Hillary Rodham Williams paint him as a "vocal minority in the party". Blythe leads a small caucus of right-wing populists in the House of Representatives that has supporters from radical right figures in both parties.
Blythe however, is popular enough in his home-state to keep being elected to the House. He has attempted to run for the Republican nomination in 1992 and 1996, and has failed both times, being shut out by the establishment, who wants nothing to do with this vicious demagogue.
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Hillary Rodham Williams is one of the leading Republican figures in the United States Senate, serving as the Minority Whip. She was born in Chicago, Illinois in 1947. She is considered to be "centrist-right" on many issues. She is opposed to many of the Democratic Party's liberal policies, and often is quoted in newspapers as "accusing the Democrats of pandering to minorities".
She has a seat on the United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, and was a driving legislative force behind the providing of foreign aid to the various Indian and Pakistani successor regimes. She remains a moderating figure in the Grand Old Party, and is considered "presidential material".
As a young woman, she volunteered in the "Re-Elect Rockefeller" campaign in 1964, and in Harold Stassen's successful bid in 1968, and his unsuccessful one in 1972.
She and her husband married in 1975 and have one daughter, Elizabeth.
...
Herbert Bush is a Democrat in the U.S. House of Representatives from Texas. The eldest son of George Bush, the former CIA Director during the Haig administration, he has pursued an aggressive political career; even if his beliefs do not align with those of his father.
"Herb" is a plain-spoken, yet charismatic man. As a result of his charisma, and his easy-to-love nature, he was elected Speaker of the House in 1997 after the resignation of his predecessor. As Speaker of the House, he has tried his best to remain bipartisan, while, of course, favoring Democratic legislation.
He has opened an exploratory committee into running in 2000, and is considering entering the primary.
((Any other American politicians you want me to do?
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Dick Cheney, John Kerry and John McCain.
(Damn, you both politically screwed Bill and Hillary!)
(Damn, you both politically screwed Bill and Hillary!)
Hillary must have been fed up with Bill's constant womanizing ITL and chose to marry someone else it seems.
Dubya, without the influence from the likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove et al and the worst excesses of the Republican right base, particularly the religious Christian right, is admittedly quite a likable centrist fella. The whole world seems to be shifting leftward as a result of the butterflies from China.
Care for some update on Britain and Europe as well btw?
Dubya, without the influence from the likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove et al and the worst excesses of the Republican right base, particularly the religious Christian right, is admittedly quite a likable centrist fella. The whole world seems to be shifting leftward as a result of the butterflies from China.
Care for some update on Britain and Europe as well btw?
Asami
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Bill and Hillary have never met in this universe.
Absolutely; he's an incredibly popular man, and is well liked by many men of both parties for his folksy charm.
I think that can be arranged.
Event: British general election, 1997
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Event: British general election, 1997
A History of Modern China
Event: British general election, 1997
Roy Hattersley had served as Britain's Labour Prime Minister for now nearly a decade. Hattersley had entered power in 1987 after the Howe government collapsed. Howe had faced growing opposition within his own party to his policies, and had been unpopular with leftist organizations, triggering growing strikes and problems for the United Kingdom.
Hattersley's time in 10 Downing Street had been moderating, and had a great longevity to it. Labour's majority only grew after the general election of 1992; and Labour looked to cement their majority once again.
However, before he could laurel his way to victory again, he faced considerable problems. In 1996, the Conservatives ousted the unpopular successor to Howe, Michael Heseltine. Heseltine's policies were considered not far different than Howe, and he was defeated in a tightly-contested leadership election by Kenneth Clarke, who had served in the Howe cabinet and had prevented the United Kingdom from entering the European Commonwealth; which he stated "did not reflect proper interests of the United Kingdom".
With the new, reinvigorated Conservative leadership, many Labour parliamentarians wanted to "freshen up" the party leadership; particularly with Hattersley's popularity sagging in the polls after a number of gaffes in 1995 and 1996.
A few major opponents to Hattersley within the party were many from the left of the party's line, and to the right. Representing the more "populist" factions of Labour, David Cameron, a 31 year old MP from Whitney, who had defected to the Labour Party in 1991 after being elected as a Conservative in 1987, announced his intention to take the leadership.
Soon after Cameron broke the camel's back, numerous leftists threw their lot in. Jeremy Corbyn, MP from Islington North, announced his intentions as well. Others such as Joanne Rowling, MP from the Western regions of England, who recently had a large upswing in popularity with the publication of her young adult fictional novel in 1996, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. Many questioned how a Member of Parliament could write a full-fledged novel and have it publised, but she had managed, thus far, to avoid any overt controversy from it.
Another candidate for Labour leadership that was strangely peculiar was the candidacy of John Lennon, the 57 year old Member of Parliament from one of Liverpool's several constituencies. Lennon and Corbyn marked a significant push for the Labour Party to move even further left of where it was before the leadership election in early 1997. Rowling represented a "readjustment to center", Hattersley represented the "Old Guard" of Labour, and Cameron represented the "New Labour" ideology, one that he claimed would make it far more electable.
The Labour Party leadership election was contentious as ever. During the campaign, Hattersley's popularity was damaged after he was quoted as bemoaning the fact that Lennon and Rowling had "bloody popular culture appeal..." and he didn't. This release embarrassed him and his campaign, and lead to him being practically forced out of the race after many media outlets wailed on the Prime Minister, even Labour-friendly publications.
Lennon's victory was sort of expected by pundits, who pointed out his continued popularity. Like Hattersley and many other British politicians, he was opposed to British inclusion in the European Commonwealth, but unlike many others, he was a notable anti-war leader, and was opposed to the proliferation of atomic weapons. In a speech given at Oxford University on the campaign trail, he warned that "nuclear weapons shall be our undoing."
The fall of Hattersley from leadership pre-maturely triggered the 1997 election; only three weeks before it had been scheduled to go on anyway, as the Labour leadership election had been bogged down by the tight-knit set of circumstances.
The election, held on April 15, 1997; saw the Labour majority broaden even more so, securing more power for the Labour Party, a notable turn-around from their period in the wilderness after the fall of Clement Atlee in 1951. Lennon entered 10 Downing Street with his wife, Cynthia, and took over as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
His victory in 1997 meant that Lennon was the serving Prime Minister during the outbreak and horror of the Kargil War in May 1999. After hearing the news, one of the first things Lennon did, was call his friend George. George had been periodically visiting India during the 1980s and 1990s, and was happy to know that George had been visiting Eastern India, and the Chinese were "forcibly evacuating him" (being a foreign national) to Hanoi before he would be sent home.
Lennon's speech at Oxford was almost eerie after the Kargil War, in which Lennon's government leapt at the throat to start rallying people together to aid India and Pakistan. In a speech given after the war's end, Lennon appealed to the public to help the subcontinent, and his popularity spiked immensely as a result of his humanitarian appeals; and his committed attitudes towards nuclear reduction and "peace worldwide", a noble goal, in all respects.
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Well that's a whole world of difference. Or at least, the political worlds within the UK and the US.
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Where the United States is progressive and liberal; Britain is a hop, skip and a jump away from being basically Communist.
The situation on the continent isn't quite the same, though.