WIP Map Thread

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Got a little further with this.

ITTL the Kodoha faction took power in Japan in a military coup in the 1930s and have pursued their Hoshinron ambitions - I am still working on how far they will have advanced into the USSR and any advice anyone has on that count would be most welcome.

Another area I could do with some advice on is a division of Vichy French Africa between Italy and Spain - while there is no Operation Torch ITTL, with little prospect of the Americans getting into the war Britain really followed through on the fight for Dakar and importantly followed the advice of the Free French and took control of Guinea before advancing on Senegal. The successes of the Free French got Hitler pissed off enough for him to squish Vichy same as IOTL, and I imagine he'd hand North Africa to Italy and Spain to ensure the Mediterranean remains guarded. I've tried drawing a border of my own but I'm not happy with it.
 
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Got a little further with this.

ITTL the Kodoha faction took power in Japan in a military coup in the 1930s and have pursued their Hoshinron ambitions - I am still working on how far they will have advanced into the USSR and any advice anyone has on that count would be most welcome.

Another area I could do with some advice on is a division of Vichy French Africa between Italy and Spain - while there is no Operation Torch ITTL, with little prospect of the Americans getting into the war Britain really followed through on the fight for Dakar and importantly followed the advice of the Free French and took control of Guinea before advancing on Senegal. The successes of the Free French got Hitler pissed off enough for him to squish Vichy same as IOTL, and I imagine he'd hand North Africa to Italy and Spain to ensure the Mediterranean remains guarded. I've tried drawing a border of my own but I'm not happy with it.
I think that an invasion like this would have the Japanese concentrate on taking the railway above Vladivostok, including Khabarovsk and the Amur region. Lake Baikal is a long way away and the Japanese advance in that sector would be more limited. I also think they would probably land in Petropavlovsk.

Also, it’s hard to tell what date your map is in, but the Kwangsi Clique controls Kwangtung and possibly some areas north of the Yangtze in Henan, Hubei, and Jiangsu. Hsikang, and Shansi and Suiyuan (unless you have butterflies Fu Zuoyi and the Ma are present in western Suiyuan) are also warlord factions.
 
Some sort of really nasty civil war? The colors are throwing me off, but my mind tells me they’re frontlines.

Well, mostly they're the unofficial de-facto borders between innumerable small militias, but yes, its a nasty civil war and yes, some of them are frontlines.

Something really bad will happen to the Congo

Yes and no.

Bad stuff has already happened to parts of the Congo in TTL, though right now its mostly unified and peaceful thanks to a faction based in Boma gradually clawing up the pieces of the Congo into one nation again after it collapsed once the Belgians left.

Katanga on the other hand has been an independent state for nearly 60 years by this point ITTL, and a separate polity from the rest of the Congo for nearly 100, so the civil war will be remaining local (doesn't stop Congo-Boma sticking its oar in, mind).

I'll post the finished map to the Map Thread once I've given it a quick write-up.
 
I think that an invasion like this would have the Japanese concentrate on taking the railway above Vladivostok, including Khabarovsk and the Amur region. Lake Baikal is a long way away and the Japanese advance in that sector would be more limited. I also think they would probably land in Petropavlovsk.

Also, it’s hard to tell what date your map is in, but the Kwangsi Clique controls Kwangtung and possibly some areas north of the Yangtze in Henan, Hubei, and Jiangsu. Hsikang, and Shansi and Suiyuan (unless you have butterflies Fu Zuoyi and the Ma are present in western Suiyuan) are also warlord factions.

Thank you!

Its set in 1943, not long after Mexico launches its surprise attack on the US which drags America into WW2.

I'm trying to do a Munro-esque map and I'm not wholly sure how to represent China - at the moment this is just basemap as I'm unsure what will have happened in the TL compared to our world, with a Japan undistracted by attacking Europeans until 1941 and attacking the USSR brings them explicitly into the Axis.
 
Thank you!

Its set in 1943, not long after Mexico launches its surprise attack on the US which drags America into WW2.

I'm trying to do a Munro-esque map and I'm not wholly sure how to represent China - at the moment this is just basemap as I'm unsure what will have happened in the TL compared to our world, with a Japan undistracted by attacking Europeans until 1941 and attacking the USSR brings them explicitly into the Axis.
Presumably the Japanese might would Changsha or the area north of it, since they would be able to concentrate more troops for Third or Second Changsha. They also controlled Yichang OTL. I see no reason why the Japanese would control the entirety of Suiyuan though, especially with possible Soviet/Mongolian intervention/cooperation there.
 
Presumably the Japanese might would Changsha or the area north of it, since they would be able to concentrate more troops for Third or Second Changsha. They also controlled Yichang OTL. I see no reason why the Japanese would control the entirety of Suiyuan though, especially with possible Soviet/Mongolian intervention/cooperation there.

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This is a slightly different basemap of China, and I've updated the Siberian Front and the division of French Africa.
 
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Here's some progress, and I've started to get some adjustments done to make a feasible legend (that is to remove some details in favor of temporary colors).
I really like how that China looks, not to blow my own horn XD
 

KapiTod

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My current project (that I'll probably give up on) is slightly editing the KR lore and map to make a more *realistic* world, but still keeping the general theme of the world. These aren't serious suggestions for game changes, I'm just amusing myself.

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So here's the American Warlord period, prior to 1936. It still needs work, and will undergo a colour change, just rn it gives you a clear ideological feel.

So the basic premise is that America is even more of a powderkeg before the '36 election, which is why it erupts so completely. It also kinda makes sense that since the USA has pretty much economically collapsed prior to game start that many regions have started running things for themselves since the Feds either can't or won't help them.

The East Coast is the Federal Government, and whilst Congressmen and Senators from across the 48 states do still attend most of their constituents don't listen to them unless they're bringing back good news. In the Deep Blue DC still passes laws and local and state governments still accept them, and even within the light blue states they do generally follow DCs policy line, mostly.

The Red is pretty much already governed by the CSA, KRTLs Great Depression started a lot earlier than our own, though I cannot seem to find a canon start date, but I assume it's got something to do with the collapse of the British Empire and Britain defaulting on their debts. Basically a General Strike in 1926 (the IWW never got neutered by abuse of War legislation) looks set to spark a revolution across America. It is quite fortunately avoided due to state and federal intervention and a great deal of concessions offered to the strikers to try and appease them, lest they bring what happened in Britain and France to American shores. The bosses and CEOs of the Rust Belt flee during this period, many to California or to the industrial areas of the South, or even to South America, and so many businesses end up being turned into de facto cooperatives. Their affiliates include the Midwest Progressive-Republican Alliance, even friendlier to open Socialists ITTL the likes of Olsen and the LaFollette's are closely tied to the Red Belt. There's also the Seattle Commune and what's supposed to represent the Farmer-Labour Party in Oklahoma, which is almost definitely wrong- advice on this is welcome.

The Purple is basically governed by the DNC, the various state governments of the south have rallied together and set up a de facto capital in Atlanta to better coordinate their efforts to maintain peace and prosperity in their states, and to keep the Black workers in their place of course. Rather than using the America First Union party (which is obviously very tied to Long) I was instead going to have the Democrats attempt to run Long in '36, possibly on a divided ticket. The Democrats came close against Hoover in '32 and the popular assumption is that with the Socialists, Progressives, and Left Republicans all backing Reed the Republicans will be stuck between a rock and a hard place- and this is where Long comes in, a lot of industrialists have brought their fortunes South and have been trying to back a Democrat to help them retake their lost assets, the Long nomination is a joint effort between the Dixiecrats and and Robber Barons to put "their man" in the White House, a man with enough fluff on the rights of the poor and for the Blacks than he can steal from Republicans. Garner (or whoever the new Democrat nominee in the update is) is just the traditional pick by the men who're a bit put off by all this shady business, and he doesn't have the prestigious backers or the money behind him. The affiliates represent Texas (with obvious Democratic loyalty) and the Southwest (which didn't have any Democratic loyalty at the time), Klan supports in southern Illinois and Indiana, and a big coalition of the Klan, Silvershirts, and other far-right militias in the Northwest who've been fighting Seattle and don't much care for California.

California, or the "Pacific States of America" don't exist to preserve American democracy, instead they want to wrest dominance over the Union away from the East and to the Golden State because they're the only ones making any money atm. With the collapse of free market economics following the fall of the British Empire and ensuing German occupation of vast economic interests in Latin America and East Asia the American economy has had very limited outlets. Canada is economically fragile, and Canadians are already tense about blatant attempts by the British to steer their country in a particular direction without worrying about America trying to prop themselves up with their economy. Mexico is obviously syndicalist (hence that large American coloured blob in the southwest, that's pure military rule of the border right there). So the only major "free" economies are Japan and Australasia, which of course makes San Francisco the most active port in America and California the wealthiest state. Whilst most don't want to actively secede from the Union they do believe that there needs to be a far greater distribution of authority between the states, specifically something which gives them a say proportionate to how much help they've been giving the country for the past 10 years. Both Australasia and Japan essentially treat the governor of California as the real President.

Any feedback or suggestions is welcomed immensely.

Also here's a slightly different International!

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My current project (that I'll probably give up on) is slightly editing the KR lore and map to make a more *realistic* world, but still keeping the general theme of the world. These aren't serious suggestions for game changes, I'm just amusing myself.
what happened to McArthur and Pelley, will there be an independent new England? hows Ireland? whats the light blue states mean? I can see that Canada is going to balkanized soon, or the very least, get ugly.
 

KapiTod

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what happened to McArthur and Pelley, will there be an independent new England? hows Ireland? whats the light blue states mean? I can see that Canada is going to balkanized soon, or the very least, get ugly.

McArthur is still in Federal territory. Pelley is the Democratic territory trying to get the Silvershirts some extra influence. New England will probably secede from the Union when the Civil War kicks off because Canadian influence there is rather strong. I explained what the light blue states are in the write-up. Canada will probably get ugly because a bunch of rich assholes exiling themselves to your country and then trying to turn your country into a weapon to exterminate the poor schucks who kicked them out is not gonna be a stable system.
 
McArthur is still in Federal territory. Pelley is the Democratic territory trying to get the Silvershirts some extra influence. New England will probably secede from the Union when the Civil War kicks off because Canadian influence there is rather strong. I explained what the light blue states are in the write-up. Canada will probably get ugly because a bunch of rich assholes exiling themselves to your country and then trying to turn your country into a weapon to exterminate the poor schucks who kicked them out is not gonna be a stable system.
so I'm guessing that McArthur is going to do his coup. whats going to happened to Ireland?
 
Here's a WIP that goes back seven years. I doubt it will ever become a finished scenario. But I was looking over some of the maps this weekend and decided I should share it.

It came from a Flag Challenge by @The Professor in 2012: "After 3 centuries the mighty Latin Empire has fallen; the Bulgarians have taken Constantinople and the succession is disputed." Pretty fantastic, right? Three centuries would take the Latin Empire to around the year 1500. My flag didn't win, but the scenario stayed in my mind. I'll start by copying the country that I made up as part of the Challenge: the Republic of Smyrna

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Smyrna developed into a powerful maritime republic with a mixed population: the ruling class were a mix of Venetians, Genoese, Franco-Cypriot emigree nobles, and Hospitallers largely from France and Germany; while The People were a mix of Turks, Greeks, Jews, and a few Armenians.

The Kingdom of Cilicia had expelled the Latins within its borders in the 15th century, then conquered Cyprus and did the same. This was a major factor behind Smyrna's rise. Most of the exiled aristocrats, with their wealth and connections, ended up in Smyrna and helped make it the main commercial center of western Anatolia. The merchant-aristocrats were given wide autonomy by the Latin Empire, and they were well poised to continue as a republic when the empire fell apart.

Fifty years after the fall of the Latin Empire, Smyrna was the most powerful Latin remnant. Chios, Lesbos, and the Dodecanese were Smyrnan vassal states from the beginning, and the larger duchies of Naxos and Candia (Crete), plus the city of Monemvasia, were added in the following years.
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I returned to the Republic of Smyrna in 2014, making three more not very pretty maps. They show Smyrna going through a period of growth in the next couple of decades. It fully came into the role of a Western maritime republic in the Aegean and expanded its regional footprint. Venice naturally became Smyrna's arch-rival. Cilicia was becoming a firm ally. Medieval Cilicia had tried to purge itself of Western influence, but in the sixteenth century, Smyrniot families gained more and more influence in the kingdom's economy and politics. Some even married into the royal family. In between was the Bulgarian empire, which tried to work with both Venice and Smyrna and play them against each other.

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By the time of the third map, Smyrna has become more deeply involved in the politics of the Anatolian Turkish states. It gave its support to a new sultanate declared in 1568 at Eskishehir, and helped supply it as it conquered most of the interior in subsequent years. At the same time, Smyrna took over the Greek splinter state of Pergamon as well as the last independent Latin remnant, the Kingdom of Achaea. During this era an ever-smaller circle of families came to dominate Smyrniot politics. Their wealth and power came not just through trade, but also growing landholdings in Greece and Anatolia and dynastic connections in Cilicia.

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Now, in the last few days I decided to take Smyrna and just wank the hell out of it. Smyrna's age of greatness began when Paul Gozone, head of one of the great Smyrniot families, seized control of the crown of Cilicia in the second half of the 17th century. On the basis of this great amassing of power, he became head of the republic as well. Venice and the Akshehir Sultanate attacked Smyrna in response, but the republic rallied and captured not only all of Venice's eastern possessions, but most of Asia Minor as well. Campaigns in the next few decades saw Smyrna conquer Bulgaria itself, including Constantinople, making it the unmistakably greatest power in the eastern Mediterranean. At the same time, Smyrna expanded its holdings in Cyrenaica, ultimately colonizing the entire region.

Smyrniot strategy in the eighteenth century was to expand its African holdings to the west and cement its control of the Black Sea. The former brought it into conflict with powers in Spain, France, and Italy, while the latter resulted in clashes with Russia and a productive alliance with Iran. Throughout the century Smyrna involved itself in both European and Middle Eastern affairs. It invaded Italy several times but was never able to keep its gains there; the closest it came was to exchange occupied land in Sicily and Calabria for the island of Sardinia. Smyrna's crowning moment came at the turn of the nineteenth century when the sultan of Egypt became its vassal.

Rather than a lot of intervening historical maps, I went right for the big climax by making an ethnic map of the Smyrniote empire at its height. It shows some interesting things about the empire. The ruling group is the Latins. By this time they have become the largest group living around the city of Smyrna itself, but you can see how small their numbers are compared to the vastness of the empire. This was less extreme up to about 1650, before its age of rapid expansion. In those days, the republic's territory was small and its people consisted mostly of Latins, Greeks, and Armenians, with the boundaries between those groups being rather fluid. With the conquest of vast territories, the rulers have struggled to find supporters in the subject regions. The Smyrniot Latins are firmly Catholic. Their language is a dialect of Italian with heavy influence from Greek. Sardinia was a welcome addition because its people were also "Latins" despite speaking a different language. Many Sardinians were given incentives to migrate to other parts of the empire such as Crimea, in order to increase the Catholic presence there.

The base map is the MBAM. It's far from perfect and it probably is going to stay that way, which is why it's going in this thread. "Syrians" and "Circassians" are filler names for areas that have very diverse sets of languages and religions.
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Yes, maybe. When did that term switch?
Might be when they settled down, and when the Bulgars dominated an area enough for it to be called Bulgaria, even if it just means Land of the Bulgars. Come to think of it, you might have the right term. Also just looked it up and it seems Slavs based their language on the Bulgarian alphabet and not the other way around, go figure. Back to naming though, I imagine it is like with the Franks. Loads came over, put themselves at the head of the remaining Celts/Gauls/etc, and then with time the name of the dominating group started taking precedent. Ahh wait, just realized again your last map was about ethnic groups. Might want to add Thracian as a group.
 
Also just looked it up and it seems Slavs based their language on the Bulgarian alphabet and not the other way around, go figure.

Not exactly - Slavic tribes in the Balkans received their alphabet from two Byzantine monks: Saint Cyril and his brother Methodius. This script, called Glagolitic, was used as Slavs/Bulgars began to convert to Eastern Orthodoxy (much of the territory of the Bulgars was populated by Slavs - Bulgars were a ruling nomad elite but by the 9th century they were mixing with the Slavic populations) The Bulgars then developed Early Cyrillic, an improved version of Glagolitic, which they then used and it developed into Modern Cyrillic.

Ahh wait, just realized again your last map was about ethnic groups. Might want to add Thracian as a group.

The map appears to be medieval so I’m not sure Thracians would describe any particular ethnic group in the period. They’d be more accurately labeled as Vlach (Medieval Romanians) north of and around the Danube.
 
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