Lincoltonbro
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Second picture shows the impact of the end of good alternate ending of Vietnam War in July 1975.
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What would be the impact of independent Republic of Canton during Cold War after communists government took over rest of Mainland China?
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Second picture shows the impact of the end of good alternate ending of Vietnam War in July 1975.
Lincoltonbro
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The US army intervenes to protected liberal Republic of Canton months before PLA army entirely occupy Fujian province and the entire central China. President Truman sent 20,000 American soldiers to stationed near Canton-ROC border as a deterrent for PLA to invade neutral Canton.
Lincoltonbro
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However, the second picture has an error. I intentionally put PRC near Hainan Island. I deleted that second picture later. I will revise it later.
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How would he get Congressional authorization and why would the Nationalists agree to this?
Lincoltonbro
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Nationalists ROC and Republic of Canton are different country. President Truman explains to Congress to prevent the early start of the red spearheaded communism within southern Mainland, that is organized great bureaucracy and needy military Republic of Canton. Truman probably need majority House of Representatives to vote for more presence on peacekeeping American troops in Republic of Canton months before communists army dominantes Mainland China except Republic of Canton. At that time the country of Republic of Canton dedicated to maintain neutrality during 1949 Chinese Civil War.
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Lincoltonbro
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Here is the website to show the longer lore story on Chinese Civil War 1947-49 where Republic of Canton stayed neutrality.
The Window of the Asian West: Republic of Canton
This map shows during the 1970 Vietnam War under independent Republic of Canton (Loenggwongfu)
www.alternatehistory.com
So some ASB made Truman stupid?
Congress is going to impeach Truman once the 20,000 start coming home in body bags.
Lincoltonbro
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Yep, 20,000 American soldiers within Republic of Canton wasn’t enough to damaged the PLA troops. Maybe President Truman increased to 100,000 American soldiers in Republic of Canton on May 29, 1949 after Shanghai was absorbed by PLA army. Truman defended the American sphere influence for Republic of Canton protecting capitalism and democracy for last window of the west in Chinese Mainland. In Republic of Canton, there are 330,000 Republic of Canton soldiers (excluding Guangxi region) active on warfare combat, whereas 720,000 Republic of Canton soldiers served for reserved personnel.
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Lincoltonbro
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Anyone who has answer about Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai thoughtful about neutrality Republic of Canton in 1950?
So why on Earth is Truman going to commit political suicide by engaging in some half assed neocolonial expedition? He's going to get roasted alive on both sides of the aisles once the GIs start coming home in body bags (Americans are not bulletproof nor bomb proof, at least not more so than any other people on Earth). Truman isn't stupid, and he's not going to commit political suicide unless some ASB mind controls him.
And even if such an ASB did happen, Congress will force him to withdraw from this stupid little endeavor (the POTUS, as you may be aware, is not a dictator who can just send off hundreds of thousands of young American men to the other side of the world for some lunatic, bloodsoaked colonial misadventure).
If he didn't intervene on the side of the KMT in 1947, he's definitely not going to jump in to create some puppet "Republic of Cantonia" regime.
Lincoltonbro
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Another horrible alternate history is President Truman refused to send any American troops to Republic of Canton but Britain decided to send 60,000 British soldiers from Britain to Republic of Canton to protect the sphere of democratic influence on the last frontier of neutrality Canton, though Truman decided a critical decision to send large military supplies, with the approval permission from Congress, to independent Republic of Canton in late spring 1949. That’s another scenario US will not involved troops to interact warfare against communists PLA in ROC bordering next to Canton.
Assuming this does happen for some reason and the PLA doesn’t manage to conquer it, then there will be no Nixon goes to China moment. If Hong Kong was stomachable and Taiwan was bearable, this will not be. It’s not some recently reoccupied island or a singular city state, you’re tearing off entire provinces at this point. You might as well ask “What if the Empire of Japan broke off Manchuria, how would that affect Sino-Japanese relations.”
The border will be heavily militarized, and the Cantonese government will be exceedingly unpopular. I doubt it survives end of the Cold War, if that long, and is reabsorbed as soon as Western will to protect it is gone. And that will is going to dry up. Compared to Taiwan, it requires actual ground troops. Compared to Germany, it’s extremely vulnerable and isolated to aid. Compared to South Korea, its borders are geographically indefensible.
The border will be heavily militarized, and the Cantonese government will be exceedingly unpopular. I doubt it survives end of the Cold War, if that long, and is reabsorbed as soon as Western will to protect it is gone. And that will is going to dry up. Compared to Taiwan, it requires actual ground troops. Compared to Germany, it’s extremely vulnerable and isolated to aid. Compared to South Korea, its borders are geographically indefensible.
Lincoltonbro
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The U.N Security Command would be presence 1-2 km alway from international demilitarised border line between Republic of Canton and PRC to ensure the better deescalation. The US is most likely to recognized only Republic of Canton and Republic of China for much decades longer until late 1980s when U.S broke up relations with ROC and transferred one one China policy to official relationship with PRC but maintain unofficial relationship by using liaison offices with democratic ROC.
And for Cantonese language unpopular after the end of Chinese Civil War where PRC couldn’t invade Taiwan for all? It is most likely three official languages: Cantonese, Mandarin, and Hakka.
And why would the British do that? They're close to broke (Atlee certainly doesn't have the political inclinations to foreign adventures with British boys coming back in body bags by the trainload), and they have much bigger fish to fry (the Soviets).
Why would the Soviets support such a thing (and you're going to need a lot of troops for the UN Security Command, likely at least in the mid five digits. Where are they all going to come from?)
There was no "Cantonese Nationalism” nor any "Republic of Canton" plan after fall of Qing dynasty， period.
Every international power and organization recognize Canton as part of China Proper ，every legitimate Chinese government will fight for Canton to death，and the vast majority of Cantonese themselves didn't want indendence. Even if USA could "protect" Canton，they would certainly give it to ROC administration.
Every international power and organization recognize Canton as part of China Proper ，every legitimate Chinese government will fight for Canton to death，and the vast majority of Cantonese themselves didn't want indendence. Even if USA could "protect" Canton，they would certainly give it to ROC administration.
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What your "map" shows is ridiculously laughable，a pathetic wanking of modern Sinophobia rather than a reasonable cold war alternate history.
Say，if PRC can't even conquer Canton，how could they defend Korean communists and preserve DPRK？If entirely cut off form the rest of communist bloc，how could North Vietnam still be so successful？
Say，if PRC can't even conquer Canton，how could they defend Korean communists and preserve DPRK？If entirely cut off form the rest of communist bloc，how could North Vietnam still be so successful？
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