BigBlueBox
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Coughlin was extremely anti-communist. Are people seriously going to call him a communist? RIP journalistic integrity.
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Redshank Galloglass
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It would be incredibly difficult to paint Charles Coughlin as a Communist: indeed, he had far more in common with the Catholic Fascism of the Spanish Falange movement than Marxist-Leninism (or Neo Communism or whatever the equivalent is).
BigBlueBox
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Well, we're talking about a country where nearly half the people who've heard the term National Socialism think it is actually left-wing socialism.
Redshank Galloglass
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Its easier to call Nazis Leftists because they have the word "socialist" in them.
Its not easy to paint a Catholic Priest as a Communist just because he's an anti semite, especially since the Church has a rather long and dark history of Antisemitism.
BigBlueBox
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Well, he talked a lot about social justice. If liberation theology becomes a thing...
Let's see, founded the National Unoin for Social Justice, called for monetary reforms (printing loads of cash to kick start the economy) nationalizing industries, blaming Jewish financiers and bankers in general for having too much influence, protecting labor rights... we do have to keep in mind that, while not true perhaps for the monarchist states of the Balkans or the regimes of Iberia, Fascism of the German and Italian varieties did have a lot of socialist influences or similarities. Mostly in getting things for the workers though, in the case of Nazism and Italian Fascism, at the expense of pretty much everyone else. Less class solidarity and more ethnic solidarity. I expect that things like Huey Long's Every Man a King campaigns and his policy to heavily tax every millionaire in Louisiana (though that was pretty much just him and he certainly didn't get high taxes) would have been put as an example of socialism much as Coughlin's things would be.
Historians would likely also point to the early campaign promises of the Nazis (the anti-capitalist stuff before Papen got Hindenburg to make Hitler Chancellor) as being socialist and that Nazism was just a sped up force of communism. Mussolini used to be a Socialist (though he may have taken bribes during that potion) and Quisling tried to join the local left wing party in Norway once but was rebuffed (not that anyone is going to really use a tinpot puppet as an example). But yah, it puts the Molotov-Ribbentrop treaty into perspective of two ideological peers who then tried killing each other to protect/better themselves. This would be extended to China, where only one main communist country could survive, so the Soviets poisoned and basically obliterated any way the Chinese could be a prosperous state independent of themselves. My thoughts on this are fairly inspired by the post in this timeline where leftists decide that Stalin wasn't merely a bad apple, but was instead a natural result of Marxist-Leninism.
On a side note, everyone should keep in mind I mentioned Father Coughlin after "Conspiracy theories aho!" It was pretty much in the same vain. Though I do imagine Populist might be a commonly used word for communists and fascists, though Totalitarianist may be more popular for speeches. Caesarian or Caesarist might also work, bringing continuity of the Kaiser and Tsars with Hitler and Stalin, then throwing in talk of Nero and others. Probably gets some preachers going on about the Anti-Christ. Maybe some claim that Hitler and Stalin are each a 6, and that one more big dictator will be the straw to break the camel's back?
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I expect they will be looking for someone big, from another country. I forget but is there a United Arab Republic in this? If they did manage to get Syria and Egypt to stick together, as well as making South Yemen, Lebanon, and Sudan swing into their orbit decisively, plus having Libya win their war with Chad and set their own person up in Chad, followed by Gaddafi getting a good offer... Yes, I would see people claiming that their was an arch, with monsterous societies befitting of the of the Bronze Age moving through Rome, to Germany to Russia, then arching back down again. Maybe people claim the arch was originally going to move through China, but that it got disrupted. Of course I expect this to be about as popular as the preachers these days (though admittedly it probably was a lot more common decades ago) who write on maps the names of different tribes that were enemies to Israel or supposed to show up in the end times, which I find about as helpful as trying to claim the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel each became the ancestors of major states. Perhaps people claim that fracturing is a sign of future evil? Such as for the Amount of time it took the Germans to unify, for the Russians, the Chinese.... people will be very selective and ignore how many of the groups only common denominator was having someone claiming them as their vassals.
But yes, I feel that if Nasser has more than Egypt under his wing, then people will start attaching stories of the various historical leaders of Biblical enemies to Israel to him. Probably will also get people claiming that the End Times are getting closer and that the forces of Hell are desperately trying to kill off all the remaining Jews of either blood or faith, so as to derail prophecy and to prevent the Kingdom of Israel from being restored. I am a Christian, not the best admittedly, but this is my opinion on some of how the more frantic (and possibly insincere) televangilists might go about things. Pretty much what you would expect from the Left Behind sort of crowd who are really a minority group among Evangelical Christians. They simply have the big bucks for making movies, which I then have to sit through when I sign up for a voluntary class on Christianity and the End Times. Yah, don't hold it in the highest regards. Sorry for the rambling, just trying to explain my position so it is clear that it is a very narrow thing I am displeased with, and not making it seem like I am denigrating my own religion.
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Bookmark1995
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That's another good thing about this TL: Cambodia avoided that nightmare, and seems prime to become an Asian Tiger.
In fact it seems likely that this Southeast Asian miracle would be the basis for creating a Economic Bloc to fill the void left by the defunct Soviet Bloc.
In fact I believe it was mentioned somewhere that SEATO was making strides greater than OTL's flop
This is the second time I've seen someone post this song in this forum. Can we just call this political justification?
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