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Should the Poland and Latvia colours be switched?

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Rosella

Rosella

I think we should keep the American colors, but name them differently- Right-Leaning can be Randist/AnCap, Slightly Right can be Fascist Lite, Centrist can be standard, Slightly Left can be socialist, Left-Leaning can be Anarcho-Communist.

For Nigeria, I figger we should have
1. Nigeria/Northern Nigeria
2. Biafra/Niger Delta
3. Southern Nigeria
 

Pragmatic Progressive

Tangle said:
I think we should keep the American colors, but name them differently- Right-Leaning can be Randist/AnCap, Slightly Right can be Fascist Lite, Centrist can be standard, Slightly Left can be socialist, Left-Leaning can be Anarcho-Communist.

For Nigeria, I figger we should have
1. Nigeria/Northern Nigeria
2. Biafra/Niger Delta
3. Southern Nigeria
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Yes, plus a colour or two for Islamist Nigeria/Boko Haram, and maybe one for extremist Christian Nigeria/Christian Terrorists.
 

Tanystropheus42

Just a few nitpicks

- I don't get why there is a secondary Midway colour. Only 40 to 60 people live on the island of Midway, none of the population is permanent, and all goods must be shipped or flown in from overseas. I don't think that a nation with a population 14 times smaller than the Vatican can support any kind of separatist movement. Midway would struggle to support one state, let alone two.
- Kazakhstan, Bactrians and Bukhara all have practically the same colour, and its a similar story for Tajikistan and Uygurs.
- Thailand is very similar to Radical/Secondary Burma. As the two nations share a 1800 km long border it's likely that any secondary Burmese state will border Thailand. This could be confusing.
 
XO Maenadicus

XO Maenadicus

Tanystropheus42 said:
Just a few nitpicks

- I don't get why there is a secondary Midway colour. Only 40 to 60 people live on the island of Midway, none of the population is permanent, and all goods must be shipped or flown in from overseas. I don't think that a nation with a population 14 times smaller than the Vatican can support any kind of separatist movement. Midway would struggle to support one state, let alone two.
Welp, already added it now. Maybe I could reallocate it to "Other American-Influenced Pacific"?
- Kazakhstan, Bactrians and Bukhara all have practically the same colour, and its a similar story for Tajikistan and Uygurs.
I'd gladly reallocate them if you could think of better allocations. :)
- Thailand is very similar to Radical/Secondary Burma. As the two nations share a 1800 km long border it's likely that any secondary Burmese state will border Thailand. This could be confusing.
Yeah, good point. I think I'll change it to orange.
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Tanystropheus42

- "Other American Influenced Pacific" sounds good.
- I've got no idea for new coulors. All the others are quite dull, so maybe something bright (green, or maybe red). You just have to replace two for it all to work again.
- Sounds good

Also, I've just realized that TOASTER doesn't have every Indian state - it's missing Telangana.

Maybe also relabel some of the other Indian ocean state colours as the Lakshadweep and Andaman (and Nicobar) islands. Or, you know, just add more colours, take your pick.
 

FancyHat

I propose that we add a third option: create a new color for Latvia, make the current Latvia color Primary Poland and make the current Poland color Secondary Poland. Also, I'd like to reiterate that the scheme needs colors for major Indian princely states.
 
XO Maenadicus

XO Maenadicus

alright, how's this sound:

Current Poland-Lithuania becomes Livonia
Current Poland and Latvia swap places
Current ASB Poland serves double duty as Poland-Lithuania (?)
 

Tanystropheus42

Quick question, does anyone know what "upper VI" and "lower VI" mean?

They're just below the colour for Puerto Rico, and I can't think what they could be.
 

Tanystropheus42

I think that we should add a few new requirements for any colour.
Firstly the land it represents must actually be mappable on a QBAM, or it doesn't really have a point.
Secondly it must be able to survive on it's own as a state.

I bring this up because I just mapped (nearly) all the colours TOASTER allots to every country in the Caribbean. The result (as you can see below) is utter chaos. Just look at how many states there are, I'm genuinely surprised that I managed to fit in as many colours as I did. Despite
my best efforts, I couldn't get "Unified Northern Antilles" and "Unified Southern Antilles" onto the map - there just weren't any free islands.

Don't get me wrong, I think all the colours work well, the problems come from stuff in the southern Caribbean.

- The colour for the Grenadines is way to similar to the colour of the sea for it to even be recognized separately.
- Kralendjik is probably meant to represent Bonaire (Kralendjik is Bonaire's capital). The label should be changed.
- Near the coast of Venezuela we run into some serious problems, namely the Venezuelan Federal Dependencies of La Tortuga, Blanquilla and Orchila. Importantly all three of these islands are UNINABITED. I've complained before about states with to few people but this is pushing it too far. I'd suggest scrapping the separate colours and just doing one for all the off-shore Venezuelan islands (for the record the only federal dependency worthy of a colour is the Los Roques archipelago, a group of islands with 1500 people and a local tourist hotspot).
- "Secondary Venezuela/Radical N. S. America" is way to similar to Trinidad. I'd suggest changing Trinidad, it's just easier.
- Finally, can I suggest that a few of Venezuela's states are given colours (it is a federation after all). You could even recycle a few excess Caribbean colours if they aren't being used anywhere else.

Anyway, rant over, enjoy the map.

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I may try and expand this to include other areas, if I can find the time.
 

FancyHat

Tanystropheus42 said:
I think that we should add a few new requirements for any colour.
Firstly the land it represents must actually be mappable on a QBAM, or it doesn't really have a point.
Secondly it must be able to survive on it's own as a state.
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Those are very good points. I think they also need to contrast with reasonable adjacent colors without clashing, look good on their own viz. Russia and China, and generally meaningful.
If we accept these guidelines, we should audit TOASTER and change or discard any colors that don't meet the requirements.
 

Tanystropheus42

My recommendations for the Caribbean are:
- Just have one colour for "unified/other Greater Antilles", and scrap the "other" colours. You already have primary and secondary Haiti/Dominican Rep/Cuba colours, and it was a struggle working out where to put the other colours (I ended up cramming them onto Puerto Rico/Dominican Rep).
- Change the colour for Trinidad.
- Rename "Kraledjik" as Bonaire.
- Create a color for St Barthelemy (literally the only tiny island that doesn't have a colour).
- Keep "united/ASB Antilles" but scrap "united North Antilles" and "united south Antilles".
- Change the colour for the Grenadines so it doesn't clash with the sea.
- Scrap "other Caribe state", as literally every island already has it's own colour.
- change "Nuevo Esparta" to "Nuevo Esparta/ Primary Venezuelan isle".
- Replace "La Blanquila", "Tortuga" and "Orchilla" with "secondary Venezuelan isle".
- Perhaps use some of the scrapped colours to go towards mapping the regions of Venezuela (on second thoughts, states may be too much to ask for) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_Venezuela).
- finally, could we have some more colours for Colombia - the nation is vast after all (1,141,748 km2), yet it only has two colours. A quick search on Wikipedia threw up this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_regions_of_Colombia) which might act as a good starting point.

Also, Costa Rica looks like the standard USA protectorate colour, while secondary Louisiana is similar to Primary Texas.
 

Tanystropheus42

I've decided to expand the Caribbean map to show the rest of the world, and to try and see if there are any other obvious clashes/pointless colours.

Here's my progress so far on the west coast of North America.

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So far I can report that there are too many greens in the Pacific North West of the US, but besides form this, it all looks good - even the protectorate/territory colours don't clash too much.

I'm quite pleased with this so far.
 
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