TL-191: Yankee Joe - Uniforms, Weapons, and Vehicles of the U.S. Armed Forces

Is it just me or does this look exactly like the kind of mobile artillery vehicle that the US would use in the second great war?
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I could see that as a late war development and it made me think maybe German Marder TD's inspired the US to make similar AFV's. So I made these two Union TD's as predecessors to the SPG in your pic.

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I like the way the M24 turned out but I think the M36 still needs a bit of work.
The chassis and suspension on your pic looks like it came from an M26 Pershing, I'm going to try to make something with that later.
 
I could see that as a late war development and it made me think maybe German Marder TD's inspired the US to make similar AFV's. So I made these two Union TD's as predecessors to the SPG in your pic.

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I like the way the M24 turned out but I think the M36 still needs a bit of work.
The chassis and suspension on your pic looks like it came from an M26 Pershing, I'm going to try to make something with that later.
It would definitely be more of a late war/immediate post war development. Maybe a few at most were deployed during one of the final battles of the war, more as a field test than anything else.
 
You'll need some kind of SP artillery to keep up with armor. Especially as regimental, brigade, or divisional level artillery in armored formations.
 
Sweet. You think Consolidated would have the green light to make more of these things over the course of the war? Where do you think they would be deployed if so?

They may be too big for escort carriers, but for Fleet carriers and from land bases, definitely. TTL's counterpart to the TBD Devastator probably got chewed up pretty badly in its first few combats, and a replacement was urgently needed.

EDIT: OTL the Navy ordered 1,000 examples: only 180 were completed. The aircraft had greater range than the TBF (1,500 miles as opposed to 1,000, higher speed (305 MPH as opposed to 275 MPH), but it was bigger than the TBF/TBM. Consolidated built the aircraft as the TBY-2 due to Vought being very busy with F4U Corsair production.
 
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You'll need some kind of SP artillery to keep up with armor. Especially as regimental, brigade, or divisional level artillery in armored formations.
You want that. In WWII you don't actually need that, towed artillery will still suffice. The USSR did fine with only Tanks, Tank Destroyers and Assault Guns. Only the US and UK could actually afford to make their artillery self propelled, Germany tried but only had enough for a minority of their forces and only midway through the war and later
 
An analogue to the M7 Priest at the very least would be needed at the very least. A SP 105 that can keep up with armor is something that General Morell would want-and he'd get it. If not in time for Phase I of his campaign, it comes in Phase II-Atlanta to the Sea and then on to South Carolina and Alabama. Especially if you outrun the towed guns....
 
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An analogue to the M7 Priest at the very least would be needed at the very least. A SP 105 that can keep up with armor is something that General Morell would want-and he'd get it. If not in time for Phase I of his campaign, it comes in Phase II-Atlanta to the Sea and then on to South Carolina and Alabama. Especially if you outrun the towed guns....
Want yes, need no, get probably not in numbers. Only the OTL US really had the production capacity to spare for that sort of thing beyond limited amounts, and 191 US has less of that. The great Soviet offenses never outran their towed guns, neither did Barbarossa or the Fall of France. If you outrun your towed guns you also outrun your fuel trucks, food trucks, medical units, infantry support etc.
 
I could see that as a late war development and it made me think maybe German Marder TD's inspired the US to make similar AFV's. So I made these two Union TD's as predecessors to the SPG in your pic.

I like the way the M24 turned out but I think the M36 still needs a bit of work.

The chassis and suspension on your pic looks like it came from an M26 Pershing, I'm going to try to make something with that later.

Oh, I like these! I can also see a bit of the "Archer" tank destroyer here, that odd British one that had its gun facing backwards. That's what it looks like to me at least. Here its placed in the correct direction and the design itself is fairly unique - a relatively low profile, open-topped TD. These looks like they could be mid to late-war TDs for the USA.
 
Actually something along the lines of the M7 Priest styled vehicle wouldn't be to improbable for the US to build.

Also I'm thinking just like how the British and Canadian's had tanks built around the Sherman frame, like the British Ram Quebec also built their own native tank based off of purchased Custer frames from before the outbreak of the war.
 
Many people have said that the newest US barrel in the books was essentially an M26 Pershing. Due to butterflies, it wouldn't be an exact Pershing, so what do you guys think it would look like?


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So I think that the base would just be a Pershing

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Maybe some elements of the "Super Pershing"

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And even parts of a Tiger II just to change things up
 
Actually something along the lines of the M7 Priest styled vehicle wouldn't be to improbable for the US to build.

Also I'm thinking just like how the British and Canadian's had tanks built around the Sherman frame, like the British Ram Quebec also built their own native tank based off of purchased Custer frames from before the outbreak of the war.

Wait, are you suggesting that the Quebecois purchased American tanks for their own use? Caaaauuuuse yeah. Yeah, that's seems about right to me honestly. Probably wouldn't go as far as to assume they built their own tanks, but that's only because I don't know what Quebec's industrial capability is like as its own country. If they can build tanks, I'd assume they would be copies of lighter US models or their own variations based off those lighter models, if only because it would be less of a strain on them to produce.

But yeah! Quebecois tanks! Yes, give me blue tanks.
 
Many people have said that the newest US barrel in the books was essentially an M26 Pershing. Due to butterflies, it wouldn't be an exact Pershing, so what do you guys think it would look like?


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So I think that the base would just be a Pershing

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Maybe some elements of the "Super Pershing"

Koenigstiger_Saumur_running.jpg


And even parts of a Tiger II just to change things up
Also throw in some elements of the IS-2 for a safe measure.
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Wait, are you suggesting that the Quebecois purchased American tanks for their own use? Caaaauuuuse yeah. Yeah, that's seems about right to me honestly. Probably wouldn't go as far as to assume they built their own tanks, but that's only because I don't know what Quebec's industrial capability is like as its own country. If they can build tanks, I'd assume they would be copies of lighter US models or their own variations based off those lighter models, if only because it would be less of a strain on them to produce.

But yeah! Quebecois tanks! Yes, give me blue tanks.
I was thinking along the lines of how the Canadian Ram was basically a copy of the Sherman with some design changes. So yeah Quebecois variations of already existing American barrels.
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Also throw in some elements of the IS-2 for a safe measure.
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I was thinking along the lines of how the Canadian Ram was basically a copy of the Sherman with some design changes. So yeah Quebecois variations of already existing American barrels.
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I posted a pic of a T28 turret on an IS-7 hull on page three here and a few years ago I did a T29/Tiger-II mash-up for RamsscoopRaider for a TL-191 TL he was planning to write.

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This to me is what I'd imagine US tanks at the start of the war to look like, until they were replaced by better armored and gunned models that would look surprisingly similar to the M10 tank destroyer, in terms of hull shape.
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Any ideas as to how many Fleet carriers the USN had during the war? There's the Remembrance (CV-1) and several other fleet carriers, though not by name. My guess is that there's two or three carriers similar to OTL's Lexington class, maybe a Ranger (OTL's CV-4), then the Enterprise (Yorktown is an escort carrier) and Hornet, before going to OTL's Essex class. Not as many as were produced during OTL, but the Essex-class ships are there. Thoughts?
 
Their was another one in the first book of the Second Great War series, it was called the Sandwich Islands. It was with the Rememberance during the raid on Charleston i believe.
 
Any ideas as to how many Fleet carriers the USN had during the war? There's the Remembrance (CV-1) and several other fleet carriers, though not by name. My guess is that there's two or three carriers similar to OTL's Lexington class, maybe a Ranger (OTL's CV-4), then the Enterprise (Yorktown is an escort carrier) and Hornet, before going to OTL's Essex class. Not as many as were produced during OTL, but the Essex-class ships are there. Thoughts?

The only carriers mentioned by name in stories are USS Remembrance, USS Sandwich Islands, USS Trenton, and USS Chapultepec, totaling at least 4 carriers of varying classes in the US Navy, though there are likely a few more.

My guess as to how many fleet carriers the US Navy has by the time of the Second Great War in 1941 is rather conservative and low - 3 fleet carriers at best, or maybe 2 with one under construction, with no escort carriers in service. Maybe 4 carriers at best but this is really just a guess. However, given the focus that these carriers are given in the books, especially the USS Remembrance, I think its safe to say that the US just doesn't have that many carriers. The USS Remembrance alone over its long career seems to have been thrusted into many theaters of war, going from the Pacific to the Atlantic and back - you'd assume the US would have a few more carriers stationed in the Atlantic or the Pacific to address threats instead of making the handful of carriers it does have run marathons around Cape Horn.

The good news is that we can accurately guess what the existing carriers may be based on judging by how they were designed.

The USS Remembrance (CV-1) is mentioned to have been converted from the hull of a US battlecruiser around the tail-end of the Great War, around 1917-1918. In fact it still retained a few of its lighter battlecruiser guns. While its a rough fit, I think its a good bet that the USS Remembrance was based on either of the 2 Lexington-class carriers from our timeline - USS Lexington or USS Saratoga.

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^^^ --- Lexington-class schematic and design --- a possible design fit for the USS Remembrance.

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^^^ --- USS Saratoga.

USS Sandwich Islands (CV-2) might be the sole sister ship to USS Remembrance, but given that its design was mentioned to have been purpose built as an aircraft-carrier and not built on the hull of a converted warship, it is also likely that Sandwich Islands is an entirely new class. In fact it is specifically mentioned to have been
"built from the keel up" as an aircraft carrier. This to me hints that the ship may be based on the USS Ranger in our timeline - Ranger was also purpose built as an aircraft-carrier and its wiki pages states that it too was "to be designed and built from the keel up" as an aircraft-carrier.

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^^^ --- USS Ranger --- a possible design fit for the USS Sandwich Islands.

If these two designs are in fact the inspiration behind the Remembrance and the Sandwich Islands, then it is possible to guess what the characteristics of the ships might be.

USS Trenton (CVE-1) and USS Chapultepec (CVE-2) are described as escort carriers in the novels. They were described as being sisters ships of presumably the same class, built on the hulls of converted freighters. This is actually in line with how many escort carriers were built in our timeline during the early years of WWII - small, slow, lightly armored carriers that could carry a small complement of aircraft, but were very cheap to build and could be produced rapidly in the absence of larger fleet carriers. This situation was what happened in TL-191 and the two carriers could be said to have been built after the loss of the USS Remembrance as a kind of stop gap to get carriers back into the Pacific Theater as quickly as possible to address the threat of the Japanese.

Since they're mentioned as being based off the converted hulls of "freighters", it might be possible that the two escort carriers in TL-191 could be based on the Bogue-class of escort carriers, which were built on the converted hulls of Type C-3 cargo ships. The Sangamon-class escort carriers were built on the hulls of converted oilers, but that class could be a candidate for what the Trenton and Chapultepec were inspired by.

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^^^ --- Bogue-class escort carrier --- possible design fit for Trenton and Chapultepec.

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^^^ --- USS Bogue

So, with all that in mind, my guess that the US Navy in TL-191 could be operating with two classes of fleet carriers by the time war breaks out. I still say that at best they could have between 2 fleet carriers with one under construction or 4 fleet carriers already active. Any more than that and I'd say that would be pushing it. War-time numbers though? That could easily change.

Here's my list below of what I believe the US Navy has in TL-191, based off what was mentioned. My guess is that they can have 2 more fleet carriers around at the start of the war, but I believe they would have any escorts carriers around until the war started.

US Navy Carriers:
  • Remembrance-class - [x1] - USS Remembrance (CV-1)
  • Sandwich Islands-class - [x1] - USS Sandwich Islands (CV-2)
  • Trenton-class - [x2] - USS Trenton (CVE-1), USS Chapultepec (CVE-2)
 
Two more similar to the Remembrance-call them Lexington and Saratoga, and maybe a ship similar to OTL's Enterprise (CV-6), maybe two. Still two oceans' worth to cover....

Known CVEs were, besides the first two: Yorktown, Oahu, Irish Sea, Monitor, and Bon Homme Richard.
 
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