The Union Forever: A TL

[RyderWest]

Another great installment! Some comments....

1) Did you mean for the ADAC L196A1 pistol to have a 20 round box magazine?

2) Remember its the Federation of Australia so it would need something like "Australian Federation Defense Force" or "Federation or Australia Security Forces" (FASF) etc.

3) Please list Commonwealth of Nations as British Commonwealth until an update changing the name has been made.

Cheers!

1) Yes. The OTL FN Five-seveN had a 20 round box magazine so I thought it would be suited for military specifications, since 10 rounds would be too small and 30 would be too large.

2) I'll edit it.

3) See above.

Here are the arms corporations in the British Commonwealth as of ATL 2000:

Royal Small Arms Factory Enfield, based at Enfield Lock, London (Founded 1818 before POD, still exists as of ATL 2000)
Madensen Armaments, based in Leicester, East Midlands (Founded 1911, founded after POD therefore fictional)
Singaporean Commonwealth Laboratories of Technology, Science and Engineering, based in Singapore, Malaya (Founded in 1952, founded after POD therefore fictional)
Australian Defence Armaments Corporation, based in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia (Founded after POD, fictional)

 

[Beedok]

Hmmm, ComNat does have a good ring to it. ImpCom and Royal Commonwealth are good as well. For the sake on continuity lets keep the official name as the British Commonwealth and we can abbrievate it simply as "BC." There is going to be a BC Conference during 2000 to discuss the situation in Jamica. Who knows maybe a name change will result.

Can the BC Conference be held in Vancouver? (Or elsewhere in BC...)

 

[metastasis_d]

1) Yes. The OTL FN Five-seveN... 30 would be too large.

It's actually not too large. I had 4 20 round mags and 2 30 round mags.

Here's a picture of the 30 from the internet:

 

[Mac Gregor]

Can the BC Conference be held in Vancouver? (Or elsewhere in BC...)

I'll consider it. I was actually thinking of Bermuda.

 

[Mac Gregor]

Whens the next update on year?

Next update by me should be for the year 2000.

 

[frustrated progressive]

Next update by me should be for the year 2000.

Are you going to have a standalone update about the Eurasian Civil War?

 

[ramdomperson]

Why is the Peruvian Amazon not entirely Peruvian?

Peru enforced its claim to the region in the 1850s-1860s, before, during and just after the POD. Cursory research shows that the ACW had no effect on the Peruvian Amazon's political status.

Minor I know, but it kept bothering me when I saw the world maps.

 

[frustrated progressive]

Why is the Peruvian Amazon not entirely Peruvian?

Peru enforced its claim to the region in the 1850s-1860s, before, during and just after the POD. Cursory research shows that the ACW had no effect on the Peruvian Amazon's political status.

Minor I know, but it kept bothering me when I saw the world maps.

Because Peru annexed the Ecuadorian Amazon in 1942.

 

[RyderWest]

What would Technate Chinese soldiers look like? I mean, they are totally loyal to the Chinese state, and have a big love for technology, so a smashup of OTL IJA and PLA soliders would be what I imagine, with slogans and flags and stuff.

 

[Mac Gregor]

Are you going to have a standalone update about the Eurasian Civil War?

Yes, my plan is to do updates for year 2000 foreign developments, domestic developments, and then an IEF civil war update for the fall and winter of 2000-2001.

 

[Mac Gregor]

Why is the Peruvian Amazon not entirely Peruvian?

Peru enforced its claim to the region in the 1850s-1860s, before, during and just after the POD. Cursory research shows that the ACW had no effect on the Peruvian Amazon's political status.

Minor I know, but it kept bothering me when I saw the world maps.

Because Peru annexed the Ecuadorian Amazon in 1942.

I believe that frustrated progressive is referring to OTL's 1942 Rio Protocol. Although it is never explicitly mentioned, ITTL Ecuador has maintained effective control over its section of the amazon since the 19th century.

 

[Mac Gregor]

What would Technate Chinese soldiers look like? I mean, they are totally loyal to the Chinese state, and have a big love for technology, so a smashup of OTL IJA and PLA soliders would be what I imagine, with slogans and flags and stuff.

Not sure what you are asking. Do you mean what do their uniforms look like?

 

[RyderWest]

Not sure what you are asking. Do you mean what do their uniforms look like?

Yeah. Sorry for the confusing language.

 

[metastasis_d]

I believe that frustrated progressive is referring to OTL's 1942 Rio Protocol. Although it is never explicitly mentioned, ITTL Ecuador has maintained effective control over its section of the amazon since the 19th century.

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I have such mixed thoughts on this. On the one hand, I love Ecuador and like to see them do well. On the other, Peru's OTL border is one of my favorites.

 

[SuperFrog]

I have such mixed thoughts on this. On the one hand, I love Ecuador and like to see them do well. On the other, Peru's OTL border is one of my favorites.

That strip of land in the north on that other map is hideous.

 

[frustrated progressive]

Random Latin America question. Does the region's long history of democracy mean it's mostly just like the OTL region minus political instability and coups? Or have most countries gotten rid of rampant patrimonialism and established truly modern states? if the latter, which countries in particular?

 

[Mac Gregor]

2000

Foreign Developments ​

Flag of the Danish West Indies​

On January 21, the Danish West Indies were granted home rule becoming a self-governing component of the Kingdom of Denmark, much as Iceland had become decades earlier. Consisting of the islands of St. Croix, St. Jan, and St. Thomas, the Danish West Indies had over the course of the 20th century grown from an unprofitable backwater into a bustling destination for Scandinavian and German tourists. Although it served as an important port of call for Association of European Nation vessels, an unspoken understanding limited the military footprint on the islands for fear of antagonizing the neighboring League of American Republics and British Commonwealth. Still the streets of the capital city of Amalenborg were often crowded with the rowdy crews of visiting German U-boats.

The XVI Winter Olympiad was cancelled due to the ongoing civil war in the Imperial Eurasian Federation. This was the first time that the modern Olympic Games had been cancelled since their revival in 1918. Most of Verny, the scheduled host city located in the IEF’s Kazahkiya region, would fall to rebels loyal to Ismail Fitrat’s Democratic Union of Turkic Republics by the end of the year.

In May, a summit of the world’s major power blocs met in the Swiss city of Geneva to discuss the IEF Civil War. British Prime Minister Geoffrey Lever had organized the conference with the desire to prevent a global confrontation from erupting. Represented were delegations from the British Commonwealth, League of American Republics, Association of European States, Turin Pact, Technocratic Union, and the Persian Empire. The Commonwealth of South Asian States chose not to attend but did send an observer as part of the British Commonwealth’s delegation. For over two weeks, the participants haggled over a set of articles to be adopted. Although the various alliances disagreed in many areas, a consensus on a few major issues was eventually reached. In what became known as the Geneva Protocol, the principles could be summarized as; the conflict is a domestic matter to be settled by the peoples of the IEF, outside powers should not “directly intervene” in support of any faction, and chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons should not be used in the conflict by any faction or foreign power. While some derided the protocol as hopelessly vague, it did codify the understanding that no foreign power was to send ground troops inside the IEF’s borders and deescalated the threat of nuclear war. The summit concluded with a call to meet again in Geneva the following year.

During the German general election Chancellor Ernst Osterloh and his Conservative Party was elected for a third term. Osterloh convinced voters that his “steady hand” approach towards the chaos in the IEF would best serve the German Empire. The opposition German Democratic Union (DDU) and the Socialists were naturally dismayed by yet another electoral defeat.

After years of research the Technate of China’s Directorate of Technology announced the completion of the Human Genome Map (HGM). The HGM was a massive scientific project that identified the chemical base pairs sequencing of DNA and charted all the genes of the human genome. Considered a marvel of modern science, Chinese leader Yu Qishan said that the goal of eventually cloning a human being was within reach. Other nations continued to lag behind China prompting fears that a “genetics gap” was forming between China and the rest of the world.

In October, the leaders of the various states and dominions of the British Commonwealth met on the island of Bermuda. The main issues addressed at the Bermuda Conference were the increasing centrifugal forces of nationalism and regionalism that threatened to slowly tear the empire apart. After much debate, the reforms agreed upon were the largest since the ratification of the Comprehensive Charter of the Commonwealth in 1961. To be more egalitarian the association was now referred to as the Commonwealth of Nations (ComNat). While it retained the three-tier system of independent states, dominions, and colonies, it allowed greater latitude for nations to enter into alliances and agreements with each other and foreign powers. Finally, although the British monarch would remain the titular head of the Commonwealth of Nations, independent states were now allowed to have an elected head of state, effectively letting republics remain within the Commonwealth. Jamaica was the first dominion to take advantage of this change and voted to become a sovereign republic within ComNat on November 10. While the Bermuda Conference angered many Conservatives, it did provide British Prime Minister Lever and his coalition government of Liberals and Democratic Labor with enough popular appeal to win reelection. King Edward VIII was rumored to have remarked “easy for Mr. Lever, it isn’t his face getting removed from the coinage.”

 

[Lalli]

What are status of Greenland and Faroe Islands?

 

[Prince Daemon Targaryen]

Ha! The King is quite a cheeky fellow isn't he
I'm liking a powerful British Commonwealth. Have they retained their military strength from the Asia Pacific war?

 

[metastasis_d]

On January 21, the Danish West Indies were granted home rule becoming a self-governing component of the Kingdom of Denmark, much as Iceland had become decades earlier. Consisting of the islands of St. Croix, St. Jan, and St. Thomas, the Danish West Indies had over the course of the 20th century grown from an unprofitable backwater into a bustling destination for Scandinavian and German tourists.

Huh; I'd forgotten the VI never got sold to the US ITTL. Would be a great tourist destination.

The

XVI Winter Olympiad was cancelled due to the ongoing civil war in the Imperial Eurasian Federation. This was the first time that the modern Olympic Games had been cancelled since their revival in 1918. Most of Verny, the scheduled host city located in the IEF’s Kazahkiya region, would fall to rebels loyal to Ismail Fitrat’s Democratic Union of Turkic Republics by the end of the year.

Where exactly is that?

While some derided the protocol as hopelessly vague, it did codify the understanding that no foreign power was to send ground troops inside the IEF’s borders and deescalated the threat of nuclear war. The summit concluded with a call to meet again in Geneva the following year.

Now does this mean that there won't be foreign troops in the IEF during their civil war in this TL, or that if there are, it'll spread the conflict?

During the

German general election Chancellor Ernst Osterloh and his Conservative Party was elected for a third term. Osterloh convinced voters that his “steady hand” approach towards the chaos in the IEF would best serve the German Empire. The opposition German Democratic Union (DDU) and the Socialists were naturally dismayed by yet another electoral defeat.

What were the DDU and Socialist factions hoping for as opposed to the steady hand approach?

After years of research the Technate of China’s Directorate of Technology announced the completion of the

Human Genome Map (HGM). The HGM was a massive scientific project that identified the chemical base pairs sequencing of DNA and charted all the genes of the Human genome. Considered a marvel of modern science, Chinese leader Yu Qishan said that the goal of eventually cloning a human being was within reach. Other nations continued to lag behind China prompting fears that a “genetics gap” was former between China and the rest of the world.

Stands to reason a technocratic regime wouldn't get bogged down in abstract ethics of cloning.

While the Bermuda Conference angered many Conservatives

Yeah, how dare those lands of peoples have the gall to want to rule themselves.
I know any anger would be pandering voices, but seriously: if they don't grant self-rule to people who want it, they'll be granting independence later.