The Q-BAM Improvement and Core Thread

[Crazy Boris]

• I’m not sure what the purple thing in Denmark is meant to be.

I think the purple in Denmark is Freetown Christiania, but I certainly wouldn't count it as its own country, Denmark still exerts control over it even if they mostly leave the Christianians to their own devices as long ad they don't break the law. AFAIK Sealand is the only micronation with any real sovereignty. (That said though, SMOM's weird situation might count as something, but I barely understand what's up with that)

Also, thanks for mentioning people playing it fast and loose with puppet outlines, that's a bit of a pet peeve of mine, a lot of the time it feels more like people inserting their opinions on these country's legitimacy rather than trying to show the situation accurately, I'd consider these countries relationships with Russia/Turkey to be more along the lines of an alliance, and with Transnistria even that is questionable given how Tiraspol is explicitly neutral with the Ukraine conflict.

 

[racnes]

PKK Should be shown in Turkey (Some may not feel this is necessary, honestly up to personal choice.

There is no report or evidence that PKK still have active territorial control or insurgency in Turkey afaik as a Turkish person who lives in Turkey. I would like to know your reason why it should be shown as it.

PKK Should be shown separately from Peshmerga.

Yes and this should help

I personally would not show South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Belarus, or Transnistria as Russian puppets. Same goes for Northern Cyprus and Turkey. While these states are closely affiliated with Russia/Turkey, but they act very much independently and are able to make decisions that defy Moscow/Ankara

I don't know about Ossetia and Abkhazia but I am agreeing about Northern Cyprus. Though Turkey has much influence over them, they govern and act independently enough and should be shown as separately i really believe.

Azeri corridor in Armenia is just a proposal, this does not actually exist.

Yes but it began construction afaik

Some mistakes I made on my older version of the map carried over to this, such as some Turkish peninsulas being shown as part of Greece.

Gökçeada showing as Greece's is one I saw if its related with what so said

 

[KillEmAll1989]

I think the purple in Denmark is Freetown Christiania, but I certainly wouldn't count it as its own country, Denmark still exerts control over it even if they mostly leave the Christianians to their own devices as long ad they don't break the law. AFAIK Sealand is the only micronation with any real sovereignty. (That said though, SMOM's weird situation might count as something, but I barely understand what's up with that)

Also, thanks for mentioning people playing it fast and loose with puppet outlines, that's a bit of a pet peeve of mine, a lot of the time it feels more like people inserting their opinions on these country's legitimacy rather than trying to show the situation accurately, I'd consider these countries relationships with Russia/Turkey to be more along the lines of an alliance, and with Transnistria even that is questionable given how Tiraspol is explicitly neutral with the Ukraine conflict.

Hi, I'm Danish, and you're correct about Chrisiania. It's not even considered a squat (i.e illegal occupation of an abandoned area) since it was legalised in 1989. That legislation was repealed in 2013 (along with the Freetown's legal exceptionality (i.e not subject to all Danish law)), at which point the resident's trust formally purchased the area from the state. Everyone outside of Denmark seem to think that it's an independent anarchist micronation or Actually Existing Socialism or whatever but it's really just a neat tourist attraction with a strangely radical ownership trust at this point.

It's also like 20 to 30 kilometres too far west on the map, not even within Copenhagen lmao.

 

[Agent of Chaos]

The Wagner Group Mutiny as of 24th June 2023
Source: Wagner Group Mutiny by Noorullah21 on wikimedia

 

[Cube from Blender]

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what are theese little dots in russian-occupied ukraine?

 

[racnes]

what are theese little dots in russian-occupied ukraine?

Ukranian partisans/resistance I believe.

 

[Linbot]

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The Wagner Group Mutiny as of 24th June 2023
Source: Wagner Group Mutiny by Noorullah21 on wikimedia

The maximum extent of the rebellion was much further north than that. They reached as far as Stupino, Moscow Oblast.

 

[Agent of Chaos]

The maximum extent of the rebellion was much further north than that. They reached as far as Stupino, Moscow Oblast.

This was made before they reached those areas, here's a "fixed" version
Note that they never fully controlled these areas like a sovereign state, this is more like a map of their "presence" areas.

 

[Sharklord1]

Does the Kakhovka reservoir still exist? They blew up the dam on June 6, and I can't tell if the reservoir is gone or not

 

[Drex]

Does the Kakhovka reservoir still exist? They blew up the dam on June 6, and I can't tell if the reservoir is gone or not

It does not.

 

[felixs]

It does not.

Slowly draining like a large sink

 

[Sharklord1]

It does not.

That's interesting. I wonder if Ukraine will try and take the powerplant now that the number of directions you can attack from has increased

 

[Crazy Boris]

That's interesting. I wonder if Ukraine will try and take the powerplant now that the number of directions you can attack from has increased

If they do, it must be a very surreal feeling for Ukrainian soldiers to be marching across what was the bottom of a lake just a month ago

(And I bet metal detectorists in the region are going to have a field day when things quiet down)

 

[shearsforest]

(And I bet metal detectorists in the region are going to have a field day when things quiet down)

Same with mappers, too, who now have to contend with erasing the Reservoir from now-"outdated" Q-BAM and Worlda maps...

OmniAtlas, for instance, released a map of 2023 Europe that has no Kakhova Reservoir.

 

[Drex]

That's interesting. I wonder if Ukraine will try and take the powerplant now that the number of directions you can attack from has increased

The number of directions has actually decreased. The lowest course of the Dnieper now has an unstable flow, and it will continue as such for months, while the former Kakhovka reservoir now consists of a mess of now-unpressurized fluvial sediments. A man has difficulty walking through there due to sinking, now imagine a vehicle or even a tank. The lower Dnieper can only be crossed for tactical and short-term operations.

 

[Agent of Chaos]

well I tried, also tried to show the few areas that still have water in them

 

[Linbot]

That's interesting. I wonder if Ukraine will try and take the powerplant now that the number of directions you can attack from has increased

I assume the area is more or less impassable because a. it's a huge mire, b. there is zero cover, and c. it was a marsh before it was flooded

 

[Mr. Temporary]

I know it's been over nine months but, here is an update for Norwegian second levels.

MUST READ: Viken, mainly the eastern portion is innacurate, due to me basing the divisons off a shrunken down version of the M-BAM and in the M-BAM, Viken was shown as three separate regions and due to the middle part being an entirely separate region, I just kinda filled in the divisions so do not add Viken to the main Q-BAM until it has been fixed.

 

[Cube from Blender]

Could someone send the full modern updated map? The one with colors, and the one with just subdivisions.

 

[CactusCartocratus]

Hi, this is Yeast • Cartography, I’ve been lurking here for a few years but never really had the time or interest to really speak until now, I don’t really like communities due to bad experiences. I have noticed you all have taken interest in my current day map, and I really really enjoy watching other people use what I make as resources for their own projects. Stuff like this is what I’ve always wanted to make, and I cannot state enough how happy this makes me. I felt a bit bad that I wasn’t here to talk about the map or answer any questions. I’ll be looking for any questions and be answering them. I’ve also taken some notes about some things I’ve noticed on the map you’re making using mine, which I think will be able to help you out. Some of the things are just asking about stuff I don’t recognize though.

• Donetsk and Luhansk are Republics within Russia.
• Rozivka in Zaporizhia and Oskil in Lhakriv oblasts are claimed by the Donetsk People’s Republic within Russia. The Russian government has not clarified if they recognize this.
• Russian Kherson Oblast claims the Snihurivka Raion in Mykolaiv oblast as well as the Kinburn spit. However, some Russian government sources in Kherson claimed in September of last year that all of Mykolaiv oblast was part of Kherson. Since the Russian government refuses to clarify if they recognize either of these claims, in my original map I showed all three possible claimed borders.
• PKK Should be shown separately from Peshmerga.
• PKK Should be shown in Turkey (Some may not feel this is necessary, honestly up to personal choice.
• Turkish occupation in Rojava seems a bit off.
• Azeri corridor in Armenia is just a proposal, this does not actually exist.
• Togo does not claim Western Togoland. Western Togoland has no affiliation with Togo and is a completely separate entity.
• Al Qaeda affiliated in southern Algeria and northern Niger don’t control anything as of this time in 2023 to my knowledge. Correct me if I’m wrong.
• I’m not really sure what is going on in Tigray, but the TPLF is being integrated with Ethiopia currently.
• The Wikipedia map for the Sudan war is very outdated and I would suggest not using it currently.
• I’m not sure what that is in Northern Chad, is it supposed to be Wagner or something?
• To my knowledge the Naxalites do still exist in India.
• The Myanmar conflict is extremely simplified, stuff like Chinland is just completely gone, though this could just be that it’s not done yet.
• The Taliban having complete control of Afghanistan seems very unrealistic and seems to be refuted by every reputable source I’ve seen, same goes for Pakistan.
• Missing Insurgency in Xinjiang.
• I personally would not show South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Belarus, or Transnistria as Russian puppets. Same goes for Northern Cyprus and Turkey. While these states are closely affiliated with Russia/Turkey, but they act very much independently and are able to make decisions that defy Moscow/Ankara, and once you get into making all these states puppets it opens the door to having Palau and Kiribati being American puppets and it just gets really messy. Also if the Belarus thing is meant to be the Union state then Russia should have the Belarus color around its border too.
• Semi-Independent Puntland is missing.
• Missing Partisans in Chechnya and Ingushetia.
• Cherán anarchists are missing in Mexico.
• EZLN has some influence over the rest of Chiapas.
• Missing uncontacted DR Congo group.
• Missing the nations of east Oklahoma. (This is also probably up to preference.)
• North Kosovo is not part of Serbia. It is a self governing semi-independent entity under the influence of Serbia, Kosovo, and NATO.
• I’m not sure what the purple thing in Denmark is meant to be.
• Iraqi militia groups are missing. (Also probably due to it being unfinished.)
• Barbacha is missing in Algeria.
• Other anarchist communes in Europe are missing. (This is DEFINITELY a personal preference thing.)
• Artsakh claimed borders are inaccurate.
• Syrian National Army groups should probably be shown as separate from Turkey.
• A lot of claimed borders are missing such as those of Azawad, Kivu groups, the Houthis in Yemen/The Southern Council, Casamance, Awdal, Ambazonia, and the Republic of Logone. Bashkorstan and Ingueshetia could also be included here but that’s definitely a personal preference thing.
• Awdal Liberation Army is missing in Somaliland.
• Siachen glacier is missing in Kashmir.
• The glaciers in Greenland seem to be exaggerated.
• ISIS in Chad seems to be missing.
• Massive amount of groups in Colombia are missing. (This is probably also due to it not being done.
• Some mistakes I made on my older version of the map carried over to this, such as some Turkish peninsulas being shown as part of Greece.
• I’m also not sure what those yellow lines in Mexico are meant to be.

There’s also some nice additions I’m probably going to be adding to my map.

• Dispute between Eritrea and Djibouti I did not know of.
• Changes to the maritime boundaries I’m probably going to borrow from.
• Dispute in Malaysia I didn’t know about.
• Also I like what you did with the DMZs.

Rozivka and Oskil are not claimed by the DPR. They were occupied by DPR troops but the DPR government in it's recent laws on administrative divisions doesn't claim them and Russia claimed to annex Donetsk and Lugansk in 2014 oblast borders.

I don't remember any Russian officials claiming Mykolaiv Oblast as part of Kherson oblast, they only annexed the part of the oblast they occupied not the rest. According to the laws of the Russian administration of Kherson oblast the borders of the oblast only include aside from the pre war oblast the Snihurivka area and the Kinburn peninsula. The map on their official website confirms this.