Claude? She hasn’t really been mentioned here. What should be here fate?@EdwardRex Claude had been pregnant earlier on in my post ...
Claude? She hasn’t really been mentioned here. What should be here fate?@EdwardRex Claude had been pregnant earlier on in my post ...
Uh...she was married off to Charles III, Duke of Savoy in January 1515 and had become pregnant. That was the last mention.Claude? She hasn’t really been mentioned here. What should be here fate?
I do not see where she got pregnant. Anyways, that happened some time ago. Someone can just insert the baby into a post.Uh...she was married off to Charles III, Duke of Savoy in January 1515 and had become pregnant. That was the last mention.
My apologies, I think I misreadI do not see where she got pregnant. Anyways, that happened some time ago. Someone can just insert the baby into a post.
1. The whole mass killing goes against the rules, and it’s super unlikely and bizarre anyways.September 1517: Marguerite is supposedly dead inside the chateau after it mysteriously burned down. Well, her body can't be found anyway. Her husband is definitely dead though. As are her children. The tiny burned corpses are the only reason she is free from suspicion. Surely nobody killed their own children so cruelly. Francis orders an investigation.
October 1517: widowed twice before reaching majority, Charles swears to remain celibate and even makes moves towards designating his brother as his heir. His regents do not appreciate that move.
November 1517: Manuel of Portugal dies in his sleep, being succeeded by his son, John. The prince of Wales, too, is sent off to Ludlow with Renee.
Supposedly dead. It was left ambiguous. It is entirely possible they are alive and escaped.1. The whole mass killing goes against the rules, and it’s super unlikely and bizarre anyways.
2. I really don’t see Charles giving up on remarrying, it’s very out of character.
1. You very clearly stated that husband and kids are 100% dead. The entire affair is foolish anyways. If it’s a bizarre mass killing don’t put in the timeline. The rules are clear.Supposedly dead. It was left ambiguous. It is entirely possible they are alive and escaped.
Also, Charles gave up on remarrying IOTL after he lost ONE wife. If he lost two in quick succession...
…Francis would never do this to his beloved sister.Margaret, Countess of Alencon and Regent of France gives birth to a daughter, Louise. While she is still weak, Francis, Count of Angouleme steals the regency and captures Margaret, her husband, and children. They imprisoned in fine rooms at a countryside chateau.
I mean, this is a world where they're battling over the regency of France. And the desire to get away from her brother, well, Marguerite is willing to burn down a house...(and it is up to someone else whether she died or not)…Francis would never do this to his beloved sister.
Yes, they were very close in OTL, but Francis was misusing the regency, so Margaret snatched it for the sake of the little King (who had been neglected under Francis). From that point on, the two were enemies.…Francis would never do this to his beloved sister.
A few problems…July 1518: After being churched, Henry sleeps with his wife again, trying to get another son. Well, it is not as though sleeping with Katherine is a chore for him - she is still beautiful, despite her aging; the streaks of grey in her hair and the stretch marks on her belly only show Henry that she has gone through great ordeals to become his perfect queen. She becomes pregnant again, much to their joy. Henry even allows Katherine to name this child anything she wishes, provided that it is able to be pronounced in English (he had named all of their children before).
August 1518: Henry VIII writes a response to Colloquies by Erasmus, which had been published several months ago. Entitled Formalities, it is seen as a sequel of sorts to Erasmus' work, though notably focuses a lot on the joys of fatherhood. And this is a topic he knows well: he and his mistress, Elizabeth Blount, are expecting another child. Katherine tries not to react to it, but her sister, the Duchess of Suffolk has a lot to say. She notably treats Elizabeth Blount with an icy regality - which is a great improvement from how she treats the mistresses of her second husband...at least there is no opprobrious language involved this time. Regardless, Formalities becomes very popular.
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Joanna, Duchess of Suffolk (right) and Elizabeth Blount (left) in the show "Henry VIII's First Decade", a show depicting his first ten years as king of England. The inaccurate looks of both women - Joanna was a redhead, while Elizabeth was blonde - infuriated many viewers when it was released.
September 1518: Anne, Countess of Angouleme, dies of a miscarriage. Now that Francis of Angouleme is a childless widower (well, he was raising his sister's children, but he didn't have any issue from his loins), he decides to remarry. The question is...to whom? He has an eye on his long-term mistress, Francoise de Foix, but she is not exactly suitable as a second wife if he's childless. Well, he is young, he can decide soon.
October 1518: After the death of Joanna, Queen consort of Naples, Ferdinand II of Naples is in need of a new bride. Unfortunately, the English princesses are all too young. Henry wonders how he can benefit from this anyway. In other news, Queen Eleanor of Portugal is pregnant again, as is Queen Isabella of Denmark.
November 1518: Beatrice of Portugal arrives, she marries Charles in a lavish ceremony. However, she was not as beautiful as her portrait made her look. Infuriated at the artist for this deception, Charles does not consummate the marriage, though he tells his new wife that it is because she is too young for childbirth. Well, he's not wrong on that regard anyway - she was even shorter than Anne of Bohemia and Hungary had been, and she told him that she had not yet gone through the woman's bleeding. Therefore, she was still infertile, and bedding her would be useless. He impregnates Johanna Maria van der Gheynst again.
December 1518:
Queen Katherine gives birth prematurely to twin sons after a long and difficult labor. Due to her fight with Henry, she decides to give her sons Spanish names: Juan, after her brother, and Fernando after her father. Although the English court insists on calling them John and Ferdinand, she does not relent and speaks only Spanish to her children, which she knows Henry does not understand. The team of doctors switch from caring for Cecily to caring for the two boys. They stubbornly cling to life, much to Katherine's relief.
January 1519: Joanna, Duchess of Suffolk requests permission to travel around the world, as she wishes to reunite with her children. Although Katherine does not want her to go, selfishly liking that she at least has some family with her in England and fearing any accidents abroad, Henry VIII accepts this request. However, Charles Brandon is not allowed to accompany his wife and must stay in court with him. Elizabeth Blount also prematurely gives birth to a boy: Henry Fitzroy. His father endows him with two earldoms of Richmond and Somerset. A furious Katherine stealthily escapes England, accompanying her sister Joanna. She would like to meet her nieces and nephews anyway...and she hasn't seen Maria in so long. She leaves letters to her children and to her husband, stating that she would return after a year. Queen consort of Poland, Bona Sforza, gives birth to a daughter: Isabella. Henry wonders if one of his sons can be betrothed to the Polish girl.
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Queen Katherine of Aragon holding her youngest son, Ferdinand.
I have edited it. I gave Somerset and Richmond to the bastard because I made it clear that Henry and Katherine were fighting and this was a way to serve as a metaphorical slap in the face, but I changed it to your suggestions. Also, I stated that Katherine named the child because Henry let her have full freedom to choose...and she chose Ferdinand as a way to piss him off. Katherine is leaving England to be with Joanna.A few problems…
1. Francis of Angouelme and Anne of Navarre did have a child together, Francis (b. 1513)
2. Ferdinand II of Naples died in 1496, so he died before the POD.
3. You said yourself that the baby’s name would be translated to English: so the baby would be actually christened John, even if his mother called him Juan. And Henry is never naming a son of his Ferdinand. Catherine seems to have become quite angry at her father in his final years anyways (you know, abandoning her in England). It’s probably worse because she would have heard from Juana how badly he treated her. Maybe the baby could be called Alfonso? It’s still very Spanish, yet also has been used in England before, so it’s not quite so jarring.
4. Catherine isn’t leaving England. She refused to leave her husband even after he tried to annul their marriage, shame her, and ruin her reputation. Even if Joanna goes, Catherine isn’t.
Else than that, very interesting!
EDIT: Henry’s not giving Somerset and Richmond to a bastard. He only gave them to Fitzroy in OTL because he had no sons. Those titles go to the twins. If you want to give Fitzroy titles, the Earldoms Rutland and/or March work better. And the babies can’t be born in December. At the latest they are five months along in pregnancy. It’s very difficult for babies to survive outside the womb at that age now, much less in the 16th century.
So I guess Catherine leaves England before she gives birth?I have edited it. I gave Somerset and Richmond to the bastard because I made it clear that Henry and Katherine were fighting and this was a way to serve as a metaphorical slap in the face, but I changed it to your suggestions. Also, I stated that Katherine named the child because Henry let her have full freedom to choose...and she chose Ferdinand as a way to piss him off. Katherine is leaving England to be with Joanna.
I'd intended for that to be the case? But I can change that too.So I guess Catherine leaves England before she gives birth?
No I was just curious. Where did she go?I'd intended for that to be the case? But I can change that too.
She left with Joanna to visit her nephews and nieces/Joanna's children. Next person can decide where she goes.No I was just curious. Where did she go?