The New Order: Last Days of Europe Thread II

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brooklyn99

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Here is a concept reimagining of the Ostland war, complete with the native Balts becoming factions in their own right (although the Lithuanians are still missing here).

It's confusing where there is a lacking portrayal of native resistance within Ostland from the Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonia peoples. All the more, considering that OTL has a pretty clear-cut case of Baltic insurgents holding out for years post-WW2 against the USSR that could've easily provide a source of inspiration .

While it makes a great narrative for the UPO to be like, the final stand of Jewry against Nazism (ignoring the Free Smolensk Revolt for a minute) this might not make much sense in the current lore where the Holocaust is continuing unimpeded and considering how in the OTL timeframe the Holocaust in the Baltics had been really intense (with 95% of the Lithuanian Jewish community killed) that just makes the TNOTL situation all the more grim. Therefore I think any Jewish-centred partisan group wouldn't have the manpower to become a standalone faction without being easily absorbed into the larger native-led orgs, nor even make up any sort of influential "elite/leading" cohort within the partisan movement.

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kelgar04

You know with the whole British Focus Tree I'm sort of surprised there aren't more Irish events for England.

Ethier hostile actions or somekind of realtions actions.
 
Gukpard

Gukpard

I once had s pretty nice campaign as Stalina where a fun scenario happened. Basically me as democratic Stalina ruled Russia while Britain had OFN Thatcher and the USA had Margaret Chase Smith in power.

If Brazil had been added and Edna Lott was elected this would truly be a woman's world.
 
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Gukpard said:
I once had s pretty nice campaign as Stalin's where a fun scenario happened. Basically me as democratic Stalin's ruled Russia while Britain had OFN Thatcher and the USA had Margaret Chase Smith in power.

If Brazil had been added and Edna Lott was elected this would truly be a woman's world.
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Kingfish Chris

Kingfish Chris

So having played Chesterton and the National Front in England, I did more research and interestingly they had an interesting history:

The National Front were formed as a big-tent party being made up of numerous Far-Right parties who have agreed to merge.
That said in TNO the NF is split between:
  • NF (Fascist) - A.K. Chesterton
  • NF - Hitlerite (National Socialist) - John Tyndall
  • NF - Strasserist (Ultranationalism) - Denis Pirie
  • NF - Vanguard (Esoteric Nazism) - Colin Jordan

Reading the actual history of the real NF, the NF underwent three stages:
[1] - Chesterton forms the National Front as a successor to his League of Empire Loyalist movement. The group would form as a merger of the British National Party (1960) and League of Empire Loyalists. In his inspiration, Chesterton seeing the MSI (Italy's Neo-Fascist movement) wanted to create a "moderate" Populist Neo-Fascist Party that appealed to the mainstream. (The MSI in Italy wanted Italian Fascism to have a comeback, and in doing so moderated their position to fit within mainstream politics - This lead to Hardliners within the MSI leaving in protest and forming more extreme groups like the Ordine Nuovo and the Avanguardia Nazionale). Although this would obviously not work given how many Britons fought and died to protect Britain from the Fascists in WW2, and an organization like the NF existing is obviously a disgrace.
[2] - On the case of Tyndall, Tyndall and his Greater Britain Movement (Tyndall's Neo-Nazi party) joined the National Front. Chesterton however wanted the National Front to simply be a moderate party within the British Far-Right movement, and Chesterton wanted to forbid allowing National Front membership to Neo-Nazis. (Ironically the British National Party who merged with Chesterton's LEL were Neo-Nazis, but only moderate BNP members were accepted whereas Neo-Nazi radicals within the BNP like Colin Jordan were excluded) However, in a bid to join the NF, Tyndall wrote a book, Six Principles of British Nationalism, in which he moved away from explicit neo-Nazism; he thought this the most important factor in changing Chesterton's mind on allowing GBM members to join the NF. Impressed by his book and his supposed abandonment of neo-Nazism, he allowed Tyndall and the GBM to join his ranks.
  • Of course, this move didn't last long and Chesterton would come to regret this decision. Tyndall became Chairman of the Party and upon being elected into NF Leadership, he returned to Neo-Nazi rhetoric and ideology revealing he never truly abandoned said Nazism.
  • The National Front under Tyndall became even more radicalized than it was under Chesterton.
    • With Tyndall in charge, they took it up anti-immigration to ten and simply began to espouse openly racist and white supremacist rhetoric such as "White Power". The National Front under Chesterton was also focused on anti-immigration rhetoric but they were pretty discrete or not as crazy about the issues of race (Although they were still racist, but not to the extent of Tyndall's Nazi lunacy).
    • The National Front became more openly antisemitic and antizionist with Tyndall in charge - Meanwhile Chesterton while an antisemite himself (Which was the case when he lead the LEL) he refrained from antisemitic rhetoric when leading the National Front.
    • Tyndall wanted eugenics and supported it on the grounds of preserving White heritage. Chesterton on the other was "chill" although the racist Racial Preservation Society did join the NF while Chesterton was in charge, however, they didn't seem to make race a priority at least from my perspective (To be fair there isn't much information on the NF under Chesterton, since most information on the NF is focused on Tyndall's leadership).
    • Tyndall's NF even wanted to restore its Empire by reinvading and recolonizing parts of Africa to provide "Lebensraum" for White Britons. Even though Chesterton formed the LEL, Chesterton realized that Britain could realistically never get its Empire back.
  • The NF under Tyndall did seem to win supporters capitalizing on the Asian Ugandan Immigration Crisis (Dictator Idi Amin deporting all of Uganda's Indian population), in which many Indian immigrants fleeing to Britain caused racist fear-mongering of mass immigration with many voting for the NF. Fortunately, the NF never got the votes needed to win, but their rising support was significant.
[3] - Even though Tyndall was in charge, the NF was a big-tent Far-Right party. You had Neo-Fascists, Neo-Nazis, Racial Populists, Powellite Tories, and Right-Wing Populists who all were a part of the NF. Because of the NF's failure to win votes in the 1970s, Tyndall was voted out for his failure to win votes (And also because Tyndall's Neo-Nazi rhetoric wasn't helping the NF public image at all). After Tyndall was booted from NF leadership, the NF elected Martin Webster but was also booted. The NF afterward fell into infighting and split into separate factions.
  • The Flag Group - They are considered a lite-successor of Tyndall, they focused on antisemitism, anti-immigration and white supremacy although they weren't as extreme as Tyndall. Their line of thinking was more in line with the Racial Populists and Chesterton's original ideas of the NF rather than the Tyndallite Neo-Nazis.
  • The Official NF - They adopted National Bolshevism and Strasserism into their ideological positions, as well they abandoned the White Supremacist position (Although they are still White Nationalists) opting to form partnerships or friendships with Arab and Black Nationalists abroad. With their National Bolshevik and Strasserist position, they sought to create a Socialistic economic system. This movement sought to attract youth supporters and they opposed "outdated conservative ideas". Nick Griffin (Future leader of the BNP) would be a part of the NF's Offical Group.
[4] Because the NF was split into infighting, by the 90s the group basically fell apart and went into obscurity (With many members either joining the BNP or forming their own Far-Right parties), they still exist but are a shell of their former selves barely holding on. The British National Party would replace the National Front as the big-bad Far-Right party in Britain, with the BNP even gaining more supporters than their NF brethren who are all but forgotten.
  • The British National Party - Not so much as a faction, more so a splinter of the NF. Founded in 1982, it was a separate party founded by John Tyndall after he was kicked out of the NF, the group's message is still the same as back when he was in the NF, the same old White Supremacist and Neo-Nazi political positions are what defined the BNP. Basically, all of Tyndall's supporters abandoned the NF and joined the BNP. Eventually, Nick Griffin would join the BNP and take over its leadership from Tyndall, and from there he would moderate the BNP's ideology and position (Basically trying to copy Le Pen's Front National who moderated to the point they are mainstream) in an attempt to win voters and enter mainstream politics.
 
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Obern

Obern

Hyperborea needs more attention and taste.
Remove the Levant meme, add more events, and devs can also make it the far-right version of Zhdanov's ultravisionary.
 
Kingfish Chris

Kingfish Chris

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Tabby can rest easy, Alexi was found in the 1960s

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Kind of funny given how he is a warlord in a post-Tabby Russia.
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