The New Order: Last Days of Europe Thread II

If I were to develop TNO, I would make Hitler's heirs with the following ideological paths:
On that note, I would have Goebbels and Goering switch fates with Goering dying in the 50s from his lifestyle catching up to him while Goebbels is the mouthpiece of the militarists (even in normal TNO, the Militarists take ideological inspiration from him).
 
The funny thing about Goebbels being the father of 'Stratocratic Nazism' is that stratocracy means government by military chiefs, where there is no separation between the military and the state. But Goebbels is a Party man and a civilian. The only uniform he's worn is the Party uniform. He wouldn't want the military to be above the Party. Hell, he was unhappy about Hitler paying too much attention to the generals at the start of the war and 'isolating himself from his loyal comrades'. Like him. Especially him.

Goebbels was a Nazi zealot who idolised Hitler, but the latter's foreign policy in 1938 and 1939 actually made him uneasy since he knew the public was afraid of war and he seems to have been concerned himself. But he didn't openly voice any doubts and they dissipated in Hitler's presence. Goebbels' career actually stagnated while things were going well in the war, since just reporting victories left him with little do. His hour came when things started going very poorly.

Plus, since in TNO the Nazis got cheat codes during the war, Goebbels might not have even given his 'Total War' speech, though I figure something similar could have happened during the West Russian War. And in OTL the point of said speech wasn't 'total war forever and against everyone', but to 1. galvanise the population and the regime into mobilising all resources, since they were in a world war, along with scapegoating the Jews for everything and 2. get Hitler's attention and boost Goebbels' profile since he wanted to be put in charge of domestic affairs in Germany.

Now this is TNO, not reality, and so events could have radicalised him to a degree where he views renewed war and further radicalism as necessary to 'rejuvenate the nation and finish the National Socialist revolution', but it's inaccurate to say 'he demanded total war, so he'd be a rabid militarist'.
 
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The funny thing about Goebbels being the father of 'Stratocratic Nazism' is that stratocracy means government by military chiefs, where there is no separation between the military and the state. But Goebbels is a Party man and a civilian. The only uniform he's worn is the Party uniform. He wouldn't want the military to be above the Party. Hell, he was unhappy about Hitler paying too much attention to the generals at the start of the war and 'isolating himself from his loyal comrades'. Like him. Especially him.

Goebbels was a Nazi zealot who idolised Hitler, but the latter's foreign policy in 1938 and 1939 actually made him uneasy since he knew the public was afraid of war and he seems to have been concerned himself. But he didn't openly voice any doubts and they dissipated in Hitler's presence. Goebbels' career actually stagnated while things were going well in the war, since just reporting victories left him with little do. His hour came when things started going very poorly.

Plus, since in TNO the Nazis got cheat codes during the war, Goebbels might not have even given his 'Total War' speech, though I figure something similar could have happened during the West Russian War. And in OTL the point of said speech wasn't 'total war forever and against everyone', but to 1. galvanise the population and the regime into mobilising all resources, since they were in a world war, along with scapegoating the Jews for everything and 2. get Hitler's attention and boost Goebbels' profile since he wanted to be put in charge of domestic affairs in Germany.

Now this is TNO, not reality, and so events could have radicalised him to a degree where he views renewed war and further radicalism as necessary to 'rejuvenate the nation and finish the National Socialist revolution', but it's inaccurate to say 'he demanded total war, so he'd be a rabid militarist'.
Someone once made a compreensible post about Göbbels not being the insane warlike people that the HoI4 community think he was, I wish I had the link of that
 
How’s Bennet played since the rework?
He's better, but still not as interesting as the other Presidents. The fundamental issue with Bennet is that his tree is too short and leaves you stuck with the military tree and the oil crisis tree in the last year and a half or so of the game, and that issue hasn't been resolved.
 
Strangest game of TNO I've had in about a year or so the last few days, so I thought I'd draft an after-action report on it.

With 1.2.0 "Toolbox Theory" making Japan literally mostly playable, I decided I would try my hand at the Empire of Japan guided by Prime Minister Soukichi Takagi. The first investigation went well, I got Takagi appointed, and I was hemmorhaging public support like it was nothing, bringing my government to crisis and ultimately losing it in a vote of no confidence. Honestly quite frustrating, given the circumstances. After a few days, I picked up the last save I made early in Takagi's first tree in an attempt to salvage the run and have Ikeda Masanosuke take charge with measured restraint...

...and whatever was causing the House of Peers and the House of Representatives at-large to turn away support before I even got off the ground fizzled out, so I picked up where I left off and went through Takagi's campaign, working to root out corruption in Japanese government and the Army, bringing the country away from the paranoia and strictness of wartime measures, enacting moderate economic liberalization and focusing heavily on developing technology, and mildly reforming Japan's colonial policies, overall and passing as strong of reforms as I could while keeping the rest of the Diet and the Yokusankai in my good graces.

I'm pleasantly surprised I managed to not botch the investigation into the Great Conspiracy, but knowing how it ended and who was behind it in the first place helped a little, to say the least.

In short, the end of Takagi's second tree is still bugged and I hope that's properly addressed in the next patch, and his content fizzles out towards the end of 1969. By the end of my run in the early 1970s, the Diet was at my beck and call with the Reformists having enough members to pass any bill on their own, but with good relations with every other faction, any bill that could be proposed, such as the final Eugenics Reform bill which the focus is bugged on, would pass with a solid supermajority. The IJA and the IJN swear total loyalty to the government (and not just the Emperor), and paranoia was rooted out entirely. Student protests have died down, with some key demands making it through the Diet and into law, largely appeasing Japan's youth counterculture movements. The Empire is far from perfect, and at some point or another it will have to come to terms with its many sins committed throughout the twentieth century, but at the moment, at least on the Home Islands, the future is something to truly look forward to, the economy has recovered from two economic catastrophes, and the poverty rate has never been lower.

The Co-Prosperity Sphere as of 1973 appears to have won the Cold War by "virtue" of the Reich's economy crashing into the ground, and the OFN's pivot away from interventionism after a decade of tumult and failure at home and abroad. Japan was successful securing Italy into her sphere, winning every proxy war except for Sudan in the Oil Crisis, and leading the world in research and scientific discoveries, being a few years ahead of much of the world in military developments, and roughly a decade ahead of time in consumer electronics and home computer technology. An increasing number of products across the Sphere have new labels on them; the ones going to Japan and Italy, for instance, are marked "中国製 " and "Fatto in Cina", respectively. As to whether this is a true sign of pan-Asian unity or a worrying omen of things to come for Japan's future and that of the whole Dai Toua Kyoueiken, no one knows yet.

Internationally, here's pretty much what happened:
* The United States lost every proxy war prior to 1964, effectively empowering the NPP and bringing George Wallace into office. Under Wallace, things briefly looked up when the South African War was won... and then the Central African Republic was established to ensure that the peace would be lost. Mix this with other issues at home and Wallace would lose the election to Barry Goldwater, who tried his best to sort out Wallace's Mess but between a weak addition to the Civil Rights Act, a political disaster in attempting to crush organized labor through extralegal means, the Oil Crisis, and an unprecedented upswing in leftism across the country, he failed spectacularly. Gus Hall would win a narrowly contested election, becoming America's first communist President and second member of the NPP to hold that same office. The OFN's future is in jeopardy with this massive shift, with the leader of the "free world" moving towards handling issues at home and away from geopolitical sabre-rattling... for now, at least. No attempts have been made thus far to negotiate for, or otherwise attempt to reclaim, the Treaty Ports in San Francisco and Los Angeles, and/or the Hawaiian islands, and whether or not President Hall will address such a national disgrace during his tenure remains to be seen.

* Canada and Mexico are doing better than America is, that's for damn sure. The "Black Power Revolution" in 1969 saw the secession of Trinidad and Tobago from the West Indies Federation, which stayed together after Jamaica's failed bid to go its own way.

* Germany's high-level uncivil civil conflict was much longer than anticipated, lasting into early 1966. Hermann Goering's militarists won out in the end. The string of conquests that would Make Germany Great Again were stopped early, in and by Switzerland. This roadblock caused the war-based German economy to crash hard and led Schoerner to oust Goering and attempt to pick up the pieces of a nation whose relevance was rapidly fading, having no success whatsoever in that endeavor. The so-called "Thousand-Year Reich" in its current position, despite its possession of tens of thousands of nuclear weapons, has effectively bowed out of the Cold War and is on the verge of what may just be a very violent dissolution 960 years early.

* Russia was reunified under Sergey Bunyachenko's Russian Republic, bringing the shattered remnants of Western Siberia to heel. Alexander Men's Divine Mandate was able to subdue the Revolutionary Council in Central Siberia through sheer luck and happenstance but was overcome by Bunyachenko's forces. Russia looks westward with stern intent towards the crumbling remnants of Reichskommissariat Moscowien...

* Italians elected a leftist government following Ciano's democratization. The socialist attempt to abolish the monarchy led to them being on the receiving end of a military coup by De Lorenzo, working to restore democracy, promote the monarchy, and keep anyone to the left of social democrats out of government again. It was this mid-1960s transitory government that would align Italy and its bloc with the Co-Prosperity Sphere, rebuffing the United State's attempts to sway the new baby democracy. The Christian Democrats were elected in 1969, just in time for Hot Autumn, the Oil Crisis, and the Years of Lead, all of which makes Italy kind of a rough place to be in the early-to-mid '70s. The Italian government now possesses one nuclear weapon and counting.

* Iberia's probably one of the better places to be in Europe right now following the Carnation Revolution which ousted Francisco Franco, not to mention the minor benefits of being an OFN observer, and the major benefits of all that electrical power being generated by the Gibraltar Dam. Much of Europe remains isolationist following Goering's brief rodeo, including Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, Brittany, the remnants of France, and Serbia. Scotland, also neutral, somehow managed to repel Macmillan's ex-Collaborationist government and "unite" Britain by re-liberating Wales and installing a second reconstruction authority in England. Ireland destroyed the Ulster Volunteer Force and with the ongoing military occupation it kind of sucks to be a protestant in Belfast now. Between Ireland's heavy-handed right-leaning government and America's increasing instability, all odds of the former joining the OFN are slipping away entirely. Norway is still under Germany's thumb, but Milorg still resists, even thirty years later...

* Brazil for the most part turned out okay, with Lott's Presidency being a success and the military being depoliticized. Lacerda succeeded Lott, and the Trans-Amazonian Highway was finished during his tenure. The rest of South America isn't doing as hot, but at least nobody's at war right now there. The FULNA Insurgency in Paraguay was crushed.

* As usual, Africa's not doing great. Sure, the good ol' US of A kicked Nazi ass all the way to that artificial sea in the middle of the Congo, but they couldn't administer any of that land right and Westmoreland's job was doomed from the get-go. The West African War was a long and grueling conflict that ultimately ended with the fall of Free France, a Pan-African victory, and the formation of a new economic sphere in the region that with all members combined still has a smaller GDP than Argentina. Sudan was the only victory America could hold on to in Africa, with the rest being brought back into the joint Italo-Japanese hegemonic fold during the Oil Crisis, not to mention the early victory for Japan in securing Madagascar.

* The Ordensstaat Burgund is holding on by a thread, having staved off famine, uppity collaborators, and disgruntled "skilled workers" alike. The continued existence of Himmler's personal fiefdom and nightmare state is simultaneously baffling and astounding, given the gross incompetence of the Schutzstaffel and the egregious and widespread suffering for suffering's sake. The day that this agony will end can never come soon enough...

* Closer to home, the Republic of China under Gao Zongwu has finally brought itself into the twentieth century, surpassing Italy in raw economic output and becoming second only to Japan in the Sphere. It is likely that the Chinese government, following the completion of more modernization programs, will seek to openly "re-evaluate" its unbalanced relationship with Japan in the coming years; its bargaining position now backed by millions of rifles, and millions of people trained and willing to wield them if need be.

* Even closer to home, the Philippines remain a hopeless and bloody quagmire for the 14th Army, seeking to and failing to maintain control over the island in the months and years following the total collapse of the Second Philippine Republic. Vietnam has gone communist and has peacefully exited the Sphere, though the successors to Ho Chi Minh remain vigilant in the face of Japanese imperialism. Thailand is, of all things, a military dictatorship. Sukarno is "strongly encouraged" to remain aligned to Tokyo, especially when one takes into consideration how much of a hand the IJA's expeditionary forces had in quashing Hatta's little CIA-funded rebellion. Malaya's doing as well as it can being a pro-Japanese client state, and the same can be said for the rest of the Sphere in Asia, sans Free India, which is a pro-Japanese state aligning freely with the Sphere largely out of convenience. The status-quo governments in Yemen, Oman, Iraq, and Egypt all move to Rome's beat, and the fundamentalist administration that controls Iran is firmly tied to Japan.

In short, it was a nice change of pace and my first completed Japan run, where I was able to do well (but not perfect) on the world stage and do as much good at home as I was able to. It was also nice to see one of many ways as to what Japan might have looked like had it actually managed to pull off a victory in the Second World War, and all that might have ensued, good and bad. I felt Japan lacked many flavor events after 1964, since I never came up upon that event where 300 million yen was made off with, nor did I see anything about "Space Defender Zaku". I was particularly happy seeing the events on the Korean Peninsula, with some still speaking the Korean language and having Korean names and carrying on age-long traditions from a land whose independence is a dying memory. Takagi's path shows that while reform and positive change may be coming about at home, the empire is still as brutal and unforgiving as ever outside of the Home Islands, between ongoing native repression and continued Japanese colonization.

Japan could use some more work, honestly, but I'm glad that it's at least playable now considering its status as part of the "big three" in The New Order. My next run for Japan in a few months or a year, assuming Takagi remains unfixed by that time or The Setting Sun has released and reworked Japanese politics entirely, will be decided on a coin flip between Kaya Okinori's government and Ikeda Masanosuke's.

I also noticed that the diplomatic crises seem to have been disabled or removed as part of the release of Toolbox Theory, including but not limited to the Aoba Maru incident, the U-2 incident, the Broken Arrow incident, and the Rising Sun incident. Not sure what gives but I'll have to verify next time I play one of the other two superpowers.

Next actual run-through? No idea, but if anyone has any suggestions, feel free to let me know. I'll have to scrounge around for some screenshots, but I hope reading about this was entertaining, to say the least.
 
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You could try Indonesia skeleton content for a shorter game.
That's an idea. I did play Indonesia last year or maybe earlier this year (my memory's starting to go and I blame my job) up to its Civil War in '65 and it was an interesting if not underrated experience. Would definitely recommend.

I believe with the removal/skeletonization of content for certain countries such as the Italian Gulf, Algeria, and Madagascar, it is now Mengjiang that now has the shortest game from the looks of its focus tree, lasting about as long as it takes to bring down the Mongolian People's Front.
 
Just finished my playthough as Samara (Bunyachenko) to get a feel for the new economic system.

I wish his "Kombinat" mechanic was fleshed out more, along the lines of Novosibirsk perhaps.

One thing I found kind of puzzling during my playthrough - why would his regime align itself with the Co-Prosperity sphere instead of OFN or Italy, since they start off in Western Russia?

It makes perfect sense for Central Siberian or Far Eastern warlords to court Japanese investments due to geographic proximity.

I also wonder, since his path is clearly based on OTL South Korea's success, can we expect his regime to democratize in the 70s or 80s?

P.s. out of all of the Russian unification super events I feel like Tukachevsky's should be made more ominous, since he is more or less Red Yazov
 
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Something that was posted over on Reddit, of a user having an ultra successful English Civil War as HMMLR against the Collabs. In that after Hitler died in October 1963, and Germany collapsed into their own Civil War.... With the resistance utterly steamrolling over the Collab government in under a month:

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I cannot help but make comparisons to OTL Afghanistan and the fall of Kabul, in the sense of Germany having sunk countless blood and treasure propping up a friendly collaborationist regime in hostile territory that have little support with the locals... Only for said government to get overthrown in a matter of weeks the moment their backers pulled out.

BTW, a scenario like this would totally be part of my TNO head canon. In that with the German Civil War and the swift victory over in England, the people of the United States would be getting a triumphant sense of 'End of history' similar to what they had experience in OTL 1990s after the Fall of the Berlin Wall. With commentators writing opinion pieces saying stuff like how once the OFN have finished up in South Africa, Nazism will be dead in the Western world for good, allowing the Free World to focus on Japan, and liberal democracy to reclaim its place in the world.

Even after Speer emerged victorious in the German Civil War, many in Washington was convinced that with a reformer in power, the people of Germany would soon be embracing Coca Cola and Blue Jeans the same way that the people of the now freed England had.

... Oh! Such over confidence! Little do they know that with Speer at its helm, Reformist Nazism will be far from done (*Cough* Comparisons with OTL PRC *Cough*).
 
Speaking of England, here is a glimpse of Chesterton's Regime in England.
Basically the NF still maintain a Democracy of sorts, albeit the NF is breathing down people's necks with their intimidation and their Blackshirts.
 
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Speaking of England, here is a glimpse of Chesterton's Regime in England.
Basically the NF still maintain a Democracy of sorts, albeit the NF is breathing down people's necks with their intimidation and their Blackshirts.
I would've liked to go through the Focus tree that pops up when the ECW starts. That's a new thing.

Unfortunate that there is still a miniscule amount of (English speaking) TNO gameplay content on YouTube. Particularly when compared to that of Kaissereich.
 
why would his regime align itself with the Co-Prosperity sphere instead of OFN or Italy, since they start off in Western Russia?
Russia has no consistently-functional Pacific ports, Magadan doesn't count since it's frozen half the year. That's the only channel through which OFN economic interaction can reach them, which means meaningful economic activity is shut down for half a year every year. There's no way to work Russia into the increasingly demanding supply chains of the OFN world, so really OFN interaction with Russia is more aid than trade. A Russia that wrests Kola from Finland might be able to go around Norway, but eh it's still taking ships through icy and dangerous waters.

Contrast with the several railroads that link Russia with every part of the Sphere from Manchuria to Xinjiang, which do function year-round and can carry a LOT of freight, probably even more than the ships. Russia can be integrated into the Sphere's economic network much more meaningfully than the OFN's, a Japanese company could actually contract out some work to a Russian factory (especially a Siberian factory) and expect to have that work done as quick as possible, which also opens up the possibility of licensing out designs and other forms of technology transfer.

The OFN can still be the ideologically more palatable option for the democracies and long-term will be much more stable and prosperous than the Sphere in 9 out of 10 cases, but one can't doubt the logic of at least a decade of close interaction with the Sphere, pivoting away from it only when the time is right. Of course this logic does seem a little more dodgy considering the Economic Crisis but that still doesn't change the facts of geography.
 
Russia has no consistently-functional Pacific ports, Magadan doesn't count since it's frozen half the year. That's the only channel through which OFN economic interaction can reach them, which means meaningful economic activity is shut down for half a year every year. There's no way to work Russia into the increasingly demanding supply chains of the OFN world, so really OFN interaction with Russia is more aid than trade. A Russia that wrests Kola from Finland might be able to go around Norway, but eh it's still taking ships through icy and dangerous waters.

Contrast with the several railroads that link Russia with every part of the Sphere from Manchuria to Xinjiang, which do function year-round and can carry a LOT of freight, probably even more than the ships. Russia can be integrated into the Sphere's economic network much more meaningfully than the OFN's, a Japanese company could actually contract out some work to a Russian factory (especially a Siberian factory) and expect to have that work done as quick as possible, which also opens up the possibility of licensing out designs and other forms of technology transfer.

The OFN can still be the ideologically more palatable option for the democracies and long-term will be much more stable and prosperous than the Sphere in 9 out of 10 cases, but one can't doubt the logic of at least a decade of close interaction with the Sphere, pivoting away from it only when the time is right. Of course this logic does seem a little more dodgy considering the Economic Crisis but that still doesn't change the facts of geography.
Petropavlovsk is open most of the year (the water there only freezes sometimes during the spring). You're right that the Sphere is much easier to access, but for some that may be unacceptable.
 
Petropavlovsk is open most of the year (the water there only freezes sometimes during the spring). You're right that the Sphere is much easier to access, but for some that may be unacceptable.
This reminds me of that time I had to invade Kamchatka as the Father *cutaway to me taking 9 months just to move 1 state*
Honestly you might as well just wait for Magadan to defrost
 
This reminds me of that time I had to invade Kamchatka as the Father *cutaway to me taking 9 months just to move 1 state*
Honestly you might as well just wait for Magadan to defrost
Good point. If the Russians invested enough in transport infrastructure (ie extending the TSR to Petropavlovsk) it could be used, but that would take a lot of investment.

Another possibility (still requiring heavy investment) would be building an oil pipeline across the Bering Strait.
 
Good point. If the Russians invested enough in transport infrastructure (ie extending the TSR to Petropavlovsk) it could be used, but that would take a lot of investment.

Another possibility (still requiring heavy investment) would be building an oil pipeline across the Bering Strait.
Bering Strait Oil Pipeline and Intercontinental Waterslide

(But yes this would be the best thing the OFN could do for meaningful non-aid interaction with Russia... although turning into a cringe petrostate remains a danger, and becomes a certainty if Russia is outright anti-Sphere.)
 
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