I just wanna have fun, this sucks that the leaks and doxxings are happening. I thought modding was about having fun, not causing conflict and drama.
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The New Order: Last Days of Europe - An Axis Victory Cold War Mod for HoIIV
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Yeah, Tyumen should be a live possibility instead of never getting a chance.
Another issue, of sorts, that I encountered but forgot to mention was that I went the OFN mandates path after the South African War and managed to reach "Societal Collapse" or something like that in about a year of hammering the support decisions. I really don't think that's realistic. The OFN mandates should probably be reworked to slow down their paths and make them a bit harder to stabilize. (On the plus side, I was able to build a ton of civilian industry in the mandates and a good amount of infrastructure, too, along with reinvesting almost all of the reserves in paying off debt and boosting GDP, so all of the inhabitants were actually pretty well off overall)
Also, I noticed that East Africa seems to have a bug in that it's missing a national spirit required for it to go down some of its tree. It appears that this national spirit just isn't added when the mandate is formed. This means that the mandate both finishes significantly sooner than the others and that it is locked to go down the federation path (since the others require access to the blocked parts of its tree).
I think the GDP numbers should be looked at, too, because some of them seem...off. I recall (though I may be misremembering) boosting Congo's GDP up to about $12-13 billion, which put it at a similar level to Canada with a similar population. Great, right? But if you compare the GDP per capita to the United States, it was about 75-80% lower, that is the per-capita GDP of Congo (or Canada) was about 20-25% of that of the U.S. I really, really don't think that Canada being that poor in comparison to the United States is realistic. Sure, it might be lower because of the worse global situation, but in reality Canada had about 66% of the U.S. per-capita GDP in nominal dollars in 1962 ($2200 per person versus $3300 for the United States), so it should probably be closer to that.
Nope, the HOI4 reddit and Discord and Steam community is full of enough coups and backstabbing to make Myanmar blush.
For some reason or another, I came up with a list of Russian unifiers organized by blessedness versus cursedness today. Although it was fairly easy to come up with a general idea of how good or bad they were, it was quite difficult to provide a precise ordering. Thus, I just focused on grouping them into a few categories focused on how benevolent or hostile they are to the ordinary or average Russian, in terms of promoting or destroying their welfare. I explicitly did not consider how "strong" or "powerful" they made Russia, thus why militarily or economically strong but repressive or abusive regimes like Bunyachenko's Samara rank low and benevolent but weak regimes like Men's Divine Mandate rank high.
The first group is regimes that are unquestionably good for ordinary Russians, focusing heavily on promoting their well-being while generally protecting civil liberties and providing the people a say in daily governance. While none of them is perfect, they have notably minimal flaws in terms of their behavior towards ordinary Russians. Generally speaking, anyone would prefer to live under one of these regimes to living under one in another tier unless they were ideologically hostile to them, though some of the next tier regimes come close or are arguably just as good.
Tomsk
Libsoc Sablin
Divine Mandate
LibSoc SBA
The second group is unifiers who, though generally positive, have negative aspects to them, for example Yeltsin's fetish for privatizations, Stalina's authoritarianism, or Zykov's limitations on democracy. Another factor may be the need to follow an authoritarian or otherwise negative path early on, such as with Petlin or ConDem Novosibirsk, or previous collaboration with the Germans, as with Vyatka or Zykov. Nevertheless, generally speaking these are good regimes to end up ruling Russia, and certainly better than most of the alternatives, but not quite as thoroughly good as the first tier of regimes. There are some that come very close, though, to the point where I could not quite make up my mind whether to put them in this category or the previous one, and others that are pretty marginal, to the point where they nearly fit in the next category.
ConDem Novosibirsk
LibDem Vyatka
Mikhail Chita
Zykov Samara
Yeltsin Sverdlovsk
Yuriy Keremovo
Petlin Magadan
Bukharina Komi
Democratic Komi
SocDem/LibSoc Zhukov
Cincinnatus WerBell
Kardashev Komi (although this is quite marginal due to the overall negativity of Zhdanov's Soviet Federation)
Next are the regimes that I felt were more bad than good, sometimes much more bad to the point of nearly being in the next category like Kaganovich's Tyumen, and sometimes only a little more bad than good, to the point where they could perhaps be justified to be in the previous category, like AuthDem Novosibirsk. In most cases these are still better than not unifying, of course, although it definitely gets marginal sometimes. Still, in every case having one of these unifiers succeeds means significant issues for Russians in terms of civil rights, economic well-being, or other aspects of life, which may be difficult or impossible to fix.
Batov Sverdlovsk
Caesar WerBell
AuthDem Novosibirsk
AuthSoc Zhukov
Nikolai Chita
Solidaritist Vyatka
Irkutsk
AuthSoc Sablin
Bunyachenko Samara
Suslov Komi
Despotist SBA
Kaganovich Tyumen
Chelomei Komi
Right-Komi (any path but Tabby)
Matkovsky Magadan
Despotic Stalina Komi
Finally, there are the absolutely most cursed paths and countries, which directly kill or harm many or most Russians with no or almost no redeeming features whatsoever, and certainly have major negative repercussions for well-being and civil rights and liberties. The only ones that are even slight exceptions to that are Tukh and Omsk, and only because their vengeance wars with Germany, which (at least in the case of Omsk) are likely to end in global thermonuclear war, don't actually take place in TNO1, and even there you have a complete lack of civil rights, no democracy whatsoever, and various other unpleasant features. In every case it would be better for Russia to remain disunited than to reunite under one of these factions, so that at least there would be hope that in the future someone better could emerge.
Tukh
Oktan Samara
Amur
Aryan Brotherhood
Hyperborea
Omsk
Tabby
The ones I didn't list--ConDem Vyatka, Khrushchev Tyumen, and Lydia Keremovo--I felt I didn't have a good enough grasp of to place. Plenty of the ones I did list I'm not really that sure about--like I said, there are a lot that are marginal and could be argued into a lower or higher category than I actually put them in. It was mostly the top and bottom tiers that I was sure of, in that there would be very little dispute that they are very good or very bad for ordinary Russians.
The first group is regimes that are unquestionably good for ordinary Russians, focusing heavily on promoting their well-being while generally protecting civil liberties and providing the people a say in daily governance. While none of them is perfect, they have notably minimal flaws in terms of their behavior towards ordinary Russians. Generally speaking, anyone would prefer to live under one of these regimes to living under one in another tier unless they were ideologically hostile to them, though some of the next tier regimes come close or are arguably just as good.
Tomsk
Libsoc Sablin
Divine Mandate
LibSoc SBA
The second group is unifiers who, though generally positive, have negative aspects to them, for example Yeltsin's fetish for privatizations, Stalina's authoritarianism, or Zykov's limitations on democracy. Another factor may be the need to follow an authoritarian or otherwise negative path early on, such as with Petlin or ConDem Novosibirsk, or previous collaboration with the Germans, as with Vyatka or Zykov. Nevertheless, generally speaking these are good regimes to end up ruling Russia, and certainly better than most of the alternatives, but not quite as thoroughly good as the first tier of regimes. There are some that come very close, though, to the point where I could not quite make up my mind whether to put them in this category or the previous one, and others that are pretty marginal, to the point where they nearly fit in the next category.
ConDem Novosibirsk
LibDem Vyatka
Mikhail Chita
Zykov Samara
Yeltsin Sverdlovsk
Yuriy Keremovo
Petlin Magadan
Bukharina Komi
Democratic Komi
SocDem/LibSoc Zhukov
Cincinnatus WerBell
Kardashev Komi (although this is quite marginal due to the overall negativity of Zhdanov's Soviet Federation)
Next are the regimes that I felt were more bad than good, sometimes much more bad to the point of nearly being in the next category like Kaganovich's Tyumen, and sometimes only a little more bad than good, to the point where they could perhaps be justified to be in the previous category, like AuthDem Novosibirsk. In most cases these are still better than not unifying, of course, although it definitely gets marginal sometimes. Still, in every case having one of these unifiers succeeds means significant issues for Russians in terms of civil rights, economic well-being, or other aspects of life, which may be difficult or impossible to fix.
Batov Sverdlovsk
Caesar WerBell
AuthDem Novosibirsk
AuthSoc Zhukov
Nikolai Chita
Solidaritist Vyatka
Irkutsk
AuthSoc Sablin
Bunyachenko Samara
Suslov Komi
Despotist SBA
Kaganovich Tyumen
Chelomei Komi
Right-Komi (any path but Tabby)
Matkovsky Magadan
Despotic Stalina Komi
Finally, there are the absolutely most cursed paths and countries, which directly kill or harm many or most Russians with no or almost no redeeming features whatsoever, and certainly have major negative repercussions for well-being and civil rights and liberties. The only ones that are even slight exceptions to that are Tukh and Omsk, and only because their vengeance wars with Germany, which (at least in the case of Omsk) are likely to end in global thermonuclear war, don't actually take place in TNO1, and even there you have a complete lack of civil rights, no democracy whatsoever, and various other unpleasant features. In every case it would be better for Russia to remain disunited than to reunite under one of these factions, so that at least there would be hope that in the future someone better could emerge.
Tukh
Oktan Samara
Amur
Aryan Brotherhood
Hyperborea
Omsk
Tabby
The ones I didn't list--ConDem Vyatka, Khrushchev Tyumen, and Lydia Keremovo--I felt I didn't have a good enough grasp of to place. Plenty of the ones I did list I'm not really that sure about--like I said, there are a lot that are marginal and could be argued into a lower or higher category than I actually put them in. It was mostly the top and bottom tiers that I was sure of, in that there would be very little dispute that they are very good or very bad for ordinary Russians.
They should be in the absolutely cursed paths and countries for how they are accidentally furthering Himmler's plans, making them, to me, one of the worst paths in Russia for the world on the same tier as Omsk, Hyperborea, and possibly Eurasia. Domestically, they would be the second-worst non-Taboritsky path for the Russian Empire after Shepunov's take on the Russian Empire when it comes to the kind of Russia they would lead.
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I REALLY want to defend the NTS but in truth I don't know what will happen in their path in tno2...
Assuming they go for something like Peron I might do it, but if they really turn Russia fascist, they are a non go option.
As it stands right now, who would you say is worse? Shepunov or Solzhenitsyn? I would say Shepunov as at least Solzhenitsyn maintains constitutionalism while Shepunov is the closest in TNO to an absolutist Russian Empire.
Pretty much every Right-Komi path is quite cursed, especially because Tabby is the one only guaranteed to collapse (that we know so far). The "best" option there is Shafarevich's "Compassionate Fascism" , still much worse than OTL Russia, then probably Serov's National Socialism, then Gumilyov's Esoteric Neofeudal Caste-System.
Or as I prefer to call it, "Juche Russia", considering the similarities between Ordosocialism and Juche (ironic due to Serov's view on Koreans, but still).
Besides explicitly excluding most foreign policy aspects except for Omsk's and Tukh's anti-German wars (because they're so critical to their characters), I don't think it's fair to rank them low because they're being manipulated behind the scenes without even knowing it. It would be one thing if, like the Aryan Brotherhood, they thought it was a good thing, or if they were actively courting Himmerite support the way that many of the unifiers court Japan or the United States, but having an unknown evil benefactor is not something I consider relevant for deciding how good or bad they are for the average Russian.
And...you'll note that I put them literally right next to Shepunov's Chita and in the same batch as numerous other highly authoritarian and repressive leaders. Being that low means that they are definitely bad! It's just that they have a few redeeming features and aren't totally evil.
Shepunov is the worst.
Alexander... Well I cannot talk about him since I don't know what it is going to happen.
I agree, which is why they're as low as they are. I considered putting them in the absolutely cursed bin, but given that almost all of the members of that bin are more or less planning to destroy Russia, they didn't feel like they belonged quite that low. As horrible as Serov is, there will still be a Russia afterwards. Remember, I was explicitly not trying to rank the items within a bin, which is not the same as saying that you can't feel some are better or worse than others.
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Why Despotic Stalina is ranked worse than literal Stalinists, fascist by another name?
I would put as worse, since Serov forces people to eat crappy food and wear matching civilian uniforms, as well poverty and racism, and Gumiylov forces people into poverty taxing them to hell and bans social mobility.
OTL or in TNO? In TNO he seems to be a middle ground between assimilationist Shulgin and equal rights Gul
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