The New Order: Last Days of Europe - An Axis Victory Cold War Mod for HoIIV
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A speculation that I came up with regarding the future of the two blessed paths for an England under a victorious HMMLR (Jellicoe's NDL or Wilson's SLP) for TNO2 by the time of the 1970s:
If either one of the two parties managed to retain power for three consecutive terms in office, their rival would start moderating their ideological stance in order to stay politically relevant. Meaning that the Whig faction in the NDL will gain more prominence and turn it into a LibDem party after two terms of a SLP government; While the SLP will start distancing themselves from their more revolutionary stance to become SocDems instead.
Since if one party managed to retain power for three consecutive terms, it would become clear to everyone that capitalist democracy under a constitutional monarchy/socialism under a parliamentary republic is fully entrenched in Briitsh politics and culture by that point, and that for the opposition, if they don't want to keep losing more and more ground to the establishment, they will need to shift their policies closer to the mainstream consensus.
As such, whichever party has been in power so far might start breaking apart as well due to the other side no longer being as ideologically disagreeable as before. Resulting in a genuinely multi-party system, instead of something similar to the situation in the US slowly becoming a one-party dominated state under the R-D.
If either one of the two parties managed to retain power for three consecutive terms in office, their rival would start moderating their ideological stance in order to stay politically relevant. Meaning that the Whig faction in the NDL will gain more prominence and turn it into a LibDem party after two terms of a SLP government; While the SLP will start distancing themselves from their more revolutionary stance to become SocDems instead.
Since if one party managed to retain power for three consecutive terms, it would become clear to everyone that capitalist democracy under a constitutional monarchy/socialism under a parliamentary republic is fully entrenched in Briitsh politics and culture by that point, and that for the opposition, if they don't want to keep losing more and more ground to the establishment, they will need to shift their policies closer to the mainstream consensus.
As such, whichever party has been in power so far might start breaking apart as well due to the other side no longer being as ideologically disagreeable as before. Resulting in a genuinely multi-party system, instead of something similar to the situation in the US slowly becoming a one-party dominated state under the R-D.
Paraguay on Cold Southern Springs mini mod.
Here what I wrote once about their dictator:
For the people who don't know, Higinio Morinigo was a officer on the chaco war, later promoted to the second in command after Jose Félix estigarribia couped the government. As soon Jose Felix finished his own constitution, his plane crashed and Higinio took power.
NOW, there is the old cold war era meme of South America naziland, and nobody, no-body took that meme as far as Higinio Morinigo, he became known as the nazipardo, the mixed nazi, he adopted Nazi regalia on his troops, he allowed the Paraguayan branch of the NSDAP to flourish, he made schools have one painting of himself and one of Hitler on the other side, his newspapers were extremely pro axis, to the point that Wikipedia claims that "it is a understatement to say that he was pro axis", meaning that he was even more radical than that.
Hitler was his popstar, he was on the deepest level of Nazi weeaboism you can find in history, he was the south American aryan brotherhood from the tno.
WHEN THE CHIEF OF HIS SECRET POLICE HAD A SON, HE NAMED THE BOY ADOLF HIROHITO.
SLAMS HAND ON DESK
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If Wallace is in charge in the USA and Takagi is in charge in Japan, the USA is (at least temporarily) no longer the good guy in the Cold War, IMO.
It was about if he is comparable with the radicals.(Yokey and Hall)
In terms of how bad he is, he can probably be worse than Hall.
However, his badness will be easier to reverse and he does not destroy America's democratic institutions to nearly the same extent as the radical NPP members?
That was basically my position,Hall and Yockey literally want to tear down the US whyle Wallace for all his evil still adheres to US constitutional norms.
There was also a small flame about their presidential goals and which has the worst ones.
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The Tsar certainly, but it's worth noting that an awful lot of Samara are ultimately still self-serving bastards, with one exception who does try to rule fairly.
I get that Oktan is self-serving, but why do you thing Bunyachenko is self-serving? He genuinely wants the best for people of Russia, he just happens to be more authoritarian than Zykov.
Oktan and his clique definitely are, but I'd say Bunyachenko is more of a "tragic villain" sort of figure who thinks that he is in the right and the narrative gives him some leeway, but ultimately isn't
Ah, I forgot about him.
Bunyachenko appears to have the attitude that he's doing what he has to do to ensure Russia' survival and greatness, and his economic motivations are some of the most noble in the game - he wants his children to grow up in a better land. He's harshly dictatorial, but it's possible to see it as that he realizes deep down that he is the bad guy, and hopes future generations have a happier future.
He at least does token reforms to maintain his image, but considering the scenario Russia is in, some reforms are better than none, and at least it shows he can compromise. Despots who don't are much worse.
So 2/3 out of Samara path are good, and even Oktan path isn't that bad (if compared with Kaganovich or Gutrum Vagner for example), so I won't say that Samara deserves hate. IMHO, Bunyachenko can be partly right in the sense that harsh measures are needed in situation of Russian in TNO, in fact it was lack of harsh measures which killed Bukharin's USSR. He's far better than Zykov and Bunyachenko's Russia is ultimately more prepared to ultimate aim every Russia should face - war with Germans.
And Vlasov prior to death? i have yet to officially play Samara.
He's kind of a placeholder, he is a senile old man trapped in position he didn't want.
Guys, just one thing
I find Samara morally bankrupt, even it's autdem route is still amoung the worst audem routes you can find on the game.
My point in one line is:
"You cannot consider someone objectively evil because they did some form of collaboration in the past, there are other factors such as why they collaborated and what are they doing now."
For example, Quisling is worthless piece of crap; in another hand we got François de La Roque in france that joined the vichy government since it seemed that it would be the official government, but as soon Petáin began to deport jews to concentration camps he joined the resistance and was killed.
I find Samara morally bankrupt, even it's autdem route is still amoung the worst audem routes you can find on the game.
My point in one line is:
"You cannot consider someone objectively evil because they did some form of collaboration in the past, there are other factors such as why they collaborated and what are they doing now."
For example, Quisling is worthless piece of crap; in another hand we got François de La Roque in france that joined the vichy government since it seemed that it would be the official government, but as soon Petáin began to deport jews to concentration camps he joined the resistance and was killed.
brooklyn99
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I wouldn't consider Sergey Bunyachenko to be morally "good", as he is shown to be on the bad side of the Future Compass that was revealed in February, as the "Chaebol Military-Industrial State". His nation strikes me as a "Diet Omsk", given how seething spite seems to define Sergey's every move. He was originally a commander of the Red Army, and had served since just 16. During WW2, the he was scapegoated by the Soviet military leadership for some failures and as a result, sought to get back at them by volunteering to the ROA. That, as well as to escape the brutal life as a labourer in a Nazi camp. When he unifies Russia, he undertakes a programme of crash industrialization, at the expense of the common Russians, who toil under the corporations which are linked to Bunyachenko, for the benefit of the military. All for the purpose of waging total war against the Germans, whom he especially despises for his aforementioned hellish life as a POW, as well as for making him their cannon fodder in the WRW.
Personally, I dislike them mainly because, realistically speaking, a Russia united by former Nazi Collaborators (regardless of the type of government formed in-game) will not lead to a particularly healthy political environment in my opinion. I shudder to imagine the amount of vitriolic hatred that would be held towards Leftist ideas like social liberalization and economic liberty should Russia be united by a Romanov or Anti-Bolshevik in the flavor of Samara.
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