The Hero of Saratoga: The Presidency of Benedict Arnold
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No, it's only been 5 days since the last update. I will have something up tomorrow, I've just been putting a little more focus on A Long and Flowing Whig: Addendum for the last week. So tomorrow I'll have something up for you all.
How do they win without naval help from France, Britain and Russia? With the turkish navy uncontested, the Turks will stomp all over greece, being able to land wherever and whenever they want.
And Russia is giving up it's self proclaimed role of protector of the orthodox?
that would be a very cool change but i doubt the author has that in mind.
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It said in the Update that the United states was the one who helped them, in this TL the US Military is a lot more powerfull so the US navy can contest the Turks.
Im also wondering why russia did not get involved to. the only thing i can think of is that it had more Pressing concerns elsewhere, or Russia made a some sort of deal with the US but i cant think what such a deal would include.
Russia and the rest of Europe did help a little bit, but not to the extent the United States did because most of Europe's attention was focussed on the war in Germany. It's because of this that America had more influence on post-independence Greece.
The US Navy did assist the rebels, however very seldom did they engage the Ottomans directly. They mostly assisted with supplying and transport. Most of the Naval combat against the Ottomans was done by American Privateers, just as American citizens went to Greece of their own accord to help the Greeks.
While the balance of power in Europe was shifting, in the Americas tension was on the rise. Since the War of the Second Coalition tensions between the Spanish and Americans had been boiling. The Spaniards had been building up their military presence in New Spain and Louisiana in response to the build up of the United States. These additional troops would not receive very warm welcomes.
In 1815 a series of rebellions would occur throughout the Spanish New World. In South America Simon Bolivar would lead a revolt of mestizo and criollo against the Peninsulares. There were hopes that the Pinckney Administration in the United States would assist the rebels, however it would not occur. The revolt would end in 1818 after the loyalist forces recapture the city of Caracas in the Vice Royalty of New Granada from rebel forces lead by Simon Bolivar. Before he could be captured, Simon Bolivar escaped by ship with a few followers to Florida. President Pinckney would give political asylum to Bolivar and his followers within the United States. This would increase tensions between the United States and Spain dramatically.
In 1820 a rebellion similar to the one that had occurred in South America would occur in the Vice Royalty of New Spain. In New Spain the revolt would be much more diverse. There were several rebel leaders, leading different revolts. During this time saw the beginnings of what would later be called the “Spanish Great Awakening.” It was similar to the Great Awakening before the American Revolution. However, unlike the American Great Awakening, which was largely protestant, the Spanish Great Awakening would be lead by Catholics, and be largely limited to the New World. It was lead by more liberal priests such as Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla.
The words of liberal priests like Hidalgo would inspire another priest, José María Morelos, to lead a rebellion against the Spanish in 1820. He rallied peasants to fight against the Peninsulares. Another revolt in New Spain would be lead by Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna. Santa Anna would much more like Bolivar then Morelos. He would try to mobilize those in the middle of Spanish society, the Mestizo and Criollo, but just like Bolivar he would be defeated and flee to the United States in 1821 where he and other followers would receive political asylum from President Clay. Morelos would not be as fortunate. His rebellion would be defeated in 1822, and Morelos himself would be executed outside Mexico City. His name would later become a rallying cry for future rebels.
In 1815 a series of rebellions would occur throughout the Spanish New World. In South America Simon Bolivar would lead a revolt of mestizo and criollo against the Peninsulares. There were hopes that the Pinckney Administration in the United States would assist the rebels, however it would not occur. The revolt would end in 1818 after the loyalist forces recapture the city of Caracas in the Vice Royalty of New Granada from rebel forces lead by Simon Bolivar. Before he could be captured, Simon Bolivar escaped by ship with a few followers to Florida. President Pinckney would give political asylum to Bolivar and his followers within the United States. This would increase tensions between the United States and Spain dramatically.
In 1820 a rebellion similar to the one that had occurred in South America would occur in the Vice Royalty of New Spain. In New Spain the revolt would be much more diverse. There were several rebel leaders, leading different revolts. During this time saw the beginnings of what would later be called the “Spanish Great Awakening.” It was similar to the Great Awakening before the American Revolution. However, unlike the American Great Awakening, which was largely protestant, the Spanish Great Awakening would be lead by Catholics, and be largely limited to the New World. It was lead by more liberal priests such as Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla.
The words of liberal priests like Hidalgo would inspire another priest, José María Morelos, to lead a rebellion against the Spanish in 1820. He rallied peasants to fight against the Peninsulares. Another revolt in New Spain would be lead by Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna. Santa Anna would much more like Bolivar then Morelos. He would try to mobilize those in the middle of Spanish society, the Mestizo and Criollo, but just like Bolivar he would be defeated and flee to the United States in 1821 where he and other followers would receive political asylum from President Clay. Morelos would not be as fortunate. His rebellion would be defeated in 1822, and Morelos himself would be executed outside Mexico City. His name would later become a rallying cry for future rebels.
<pictures Simon Bolivar leading an army into Mexico under an American flag>
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The 1820’s saw a slowing down of immigration from western Europe, and an increase of immigration from eastern and southern Europe. During the Prusso-Saxon War an influx of Polish immigrants came to the US and settled in the Arnold Territory [1]. During their war of independence against the Ottomans, Greeks would immigrate would immigrate to Florida. Also immigrating to the Floridas were refugees from the revolts within the Spanish New World. Many refugees fleeing from South America would join Simon Bolivar in East Florida, while those fleeing from New Spain would flee to West Florida with Santa Anna. In these states political societies were formed in similar ways that Jacobin clubs had been founded during the French Revolution. These clubs and societies would acquire arms and money and send them to rebels in other countries. In order to prevent war with Spain Clay would crack down on the Mexican and South American clubs, however not so much the Greek clubs.
In 1823 the East Florida territory is granted Statehood, becoming the 22nd State. It would be followed in 1824 by West Florida, becoming the 23rd State. During this time tensions were boiling with Spain, and the question of war became not one of If, but one of When. It seemed inevitable, despite all Clay’s attempts he is unable to ease tension. Most historians look back at Clay’s first term [2] as merely delaying the war with Spain.
Also during this time anti-British sentiments in the United States would reach a fever point. A scandal was uncovered that a prominent Federalist Senator had accepted a large sum of money from a British banker in Canada. There was an uproar of anger from the American people, and impeachment proceedings took place for that Senator. The Patriot Party would take the House of Representatives in 1822, while the Federalists held on to the Senate by a tiny thread. President Clay and the Federalists would try and calm the dissenters down by approving internal infrastructure projects in states where the Patriot Party was dominate, but to no avail.
The 1824 Election would see the end of the Federalist Party’s domination of the Presidency. The Patriot Party would take control of the Senate and increase their hold on the House. The Federalists would run Clay and Rufus King again against the Patriot Ticket of John Quincy Adams and Martin Van Buren. The Federalists would make inroads into the south, but lose support in the north. The Patriots would win the election, and have almost complete control of the government. However the Supreme Court was filled with Judges that had been all selected by Federalist Presidents, which would serve as the biggest challengers to the Adams administration.
[1] What’s left of the Northwest territory, basically Wisconsin + Superior. It is named for President Benedict Arnold. This begins a pattern of naming states after Presidents.
[2] This will play a role later
In 1823 the East Florida territory is granted Statehood, becoming the 22nd State. It would be followed in 1824 by West Florida, becoming the 23rd State. During this time tensions were boiling with Spain, and the question of war became not one of If, but one of When. It seemed inevitable, despite all Clay’s attempts he is unable to ease tension. Most historians look back at Clay’s first term [2] as merely delaying the war with Spain.
Also during this time anti-British sentiments in the United States would reach a fever point. A scandal was uncovered that a prominent Federalist Senator had accepted a large sum of money from a British banker in Canada. There was an uproar of anger from the American people, and impeachment proceedings took place for that Senator. The Patriot Party would take the House of Representatives in 1822, while the Federalists held on to the Senate by a tiny thread. President Clay and the Federalists would try and calm the dissenters down by approving internal infrastructure projects in states where the Patriot Party was dominate, but to no avail.
The 1824 Election would see the end of the Federalist Party’s domination of the Presidency. The Patriot Party would take control of the Senate and increase their hold on the House. The Federalists would run Clay and Rufus King again against the Patriot Ticket of John Quincy Adams and Martin Van Buren. The Federalists would make inroads into the south, but lose support in the north. The Patriots would win the election, and have almost complete control of the government. However the Supreme Court was filled with Judges that had been all selected by Federalist Presidents, which would serve as the biggest challengers to the Adams administration.
[1] What’s left of the Northwest territory, basically Wisconsin + Superior. It is named for President Benedict Arnold. This begins a pattern of naming states after Presidents.
[2] This will play a role later
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John Quincy Adams and the Patriots won the elections of 1824 on ending the alliance with the British, free trade, and reducing the power of government. However President Elect Adams would not be sworn in until March 4th, but his troubles would begin before he even took the oath.
It was January 23rd, 1825, in the city of New Orleans. The American Secretary of State Philip Hamilton, son of former President Alexander Hamilton, was meeting with Viceroy Juan Ruiz de Apodaca, the 1st Count of Venadito. The two would negotiate on matters such as trade and a possible military reduction along the Mississippi. On the 23rd itself Secretary Hamilton attempted to see the Viceroy in his New Orleans dwelling. He had a confrontation with a guard at the gate of the Viceroy’s Mansion, the two had a scuffle. The guard, a Spanish soldiers, refused to let Hamilton see Apodaca. In the confrontation the guard cut off Hamilton’s right ear with the bayonet on the soldiers musket. Philip Hamilton was rushed to a nearby hospital, his ear couldn’t be reattached, but they were able to prevent the wound from being a death sentence. Hamilton would return to New York on February 15th and show his severed ear in a jar to congress. It was at this point that President Clay asked for a declaration of war on Spain. It would pass and the two nations would go to war.
As with all wars of the period, it would take time for all forces on both sides to be informed of the state of war. When President Elect Adams heard of this, he knew that this was not going to be an easy term. He would be sworn in on March 4th. That same day he would meet with the cabinet of President Clay. As all Presidents before him, he asked the cabinet members of the previous administration to resign. Adams expected them to resign without fuss just like the previous cabinets. It was to his surprise when Clay’s Cabinet refused to resign. Unlike all previous presidents, who were all Federalists, Adams was a Patriot. Never before had power shifted between different political parties. After almost 30 years of being the party in power, they were not too keen on leaving, and were not planning on doing so quietly. Adams attempted to fire them because they refused to resign of their own will, however they took the case up with the Supreme Court.
The Court ruled that the Constitution did not give the president authority to fire cabinet members. The Supreme Court ordered that Adams restore the men to their cabinet positions. This event would start the process of a new constitutional amendment. In 1826 the 13th Amendment would be passed to the constitution, granting the president the right to fire cabinet members as he pleased. It would be the first amendment to the constitution that granted more power to the government, ironically passed by the party that campaigned on reducing government power. However this would not come in until 1826, so President Adams would be forced to work with the cabinet of the previous administration for the first year of his presidency.
It was January 23rd, 1825, in the city of New Orleans. The American Secretary of State Philip Hamilton, son of former President Alexander Hamilton, was meeting with Viceroy Juan Ruiz de Apodaca, the 1st Count of Venadito. The two would negotiate on matters such as trade and a possible military reduction along the Mississippi. On the 23rd itself Secretary Hamilton attempted to see the Viceroy in his New Orleans dwelling. He had a confrontation with a guard at the gate of the Viceroy’s Mansion, the two had a scuffle. The guard, a Spanish soldiers, refused to let Hamilton see Apodaca. In the confrontation the guard cut off Hamilton’s right ear with the bayonet on the soldiers musket. Philip Hamilton was rushed to a nearby hospital, his ear couldn’t be reattached, but they were able to prevent the wound from being a death sentence. Hamilton would return to New York on February 15th and show his severed ear in a jar to congress. It was at this point that President Clay asked for a declaration of war on Spain. It would pass and the two nations would go to war.
As with all wars of the period, it would take time for all forces on both sides to be informed of the state of war. When President Elect Adams heard of this, he knew that this was not going to be an easy term. He would be sworn in on March 4th. That same day he would meet with the cabinet of President Clay. As all Presidents before him, he asked the cabinet members of the previous administration to resign. Adams expected them to resign without fuss just like the previous cabinets. It was to his surprise when Clay’s Cabinet refused to resign. Unlike all previous presidents, who were all Federalists, Adams was a Patriot. Never before had power shifted between different political parties. After almost 30 years of being the party in power, they were not too keen on leaving, and were not planning on doing so quietly. Adams attempted to fire them because they refused to resign of their own will, however they took the case up with the Supreme Court.
The Court ruled that the Constitution did not give the president authority to fire cabinet members. The Supreme Court ordered that Adams restore the men to their cabinet positions. This event would start the process of a new constitutional amendment. In 1826 the 13th Amendment would be passed to the constitution, granting the president the right to fire cabinet members as he pleased. It would be the first amendment to the constitution that granted more power to the government, ironically passed by the party that campaigned on reducing government power. However this would not come in until 1826, so President Adams would be forced to work with the cabinet of the previous administration for the first year of his presidency.
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Does TTL's 13th Amendment give the president the ability to fire the vice president, considering that the vice president is a member of the cabinet?
Actually, the Vice President isn't considered a cabinet position ITTL because he's an elected position. So the VP is immune from the firing power.