The Golden Eagle, A Napoleonic France after the Peace of Vienna

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Antonio the Komnenoi, Oct 9, 2018.


What do you think of this TL so far ?

  1. Vive L'Emperur ! Keep going !

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  3. Change back to the Mexican Empire TL

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  4. Stop it ! Before it is too late !

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  1. Threadmarks: The Bear Unleashed: 1845-1850

    Antonio the Komnenoi A devout Monarchist

    Jun 7, 2017
    The end of the Revolution brought more devastation to the West, the Polish uprising was crushed with the Brute Force of Russian arms. The Tsar and Autocrat of All-Russias, Nicholas I, intensified the suppression of Polish Nationalism and the Russification policies over the Ruthenia and Ukraine, never again would the Poles rise in revolt, and if they did, they would be alone.

    The Tsar turned his eyes South, the Collapse of the Austrian Empire created a Kingdom in Galicia, and the Tsar was quick to intervene. Russian forces crossed the border and destroyed all resistance of the newly independent nation, the Kingdom was forced to accept the Protectorate from St. Petersburg.

    The Tsar had inaugurated an new policy for the Russian government: Slavophile or Pan-Slavism. The idea that Russia was destined to rule all the Slav peoples under the Tsar and Autocracy. Now that the poles were crushed and the only other nation that could challenge a Balkan offensive by Russia was gone, the bear just needed a reason.

    He got one when the Revolution managed to spread southeast, the Nationalist powderkrieg in the Balkans exploded when the news of the Austrian collapse reached Konstantinnye. The Ottoman Censorship wasn't enough to prevent the news from spreading to the Principalities of Moldavia and Wallachia, where the people was inspired by the Hungarians, Italians, and Germans. The Wallachian Prince George Bibescu started a rebellion against Ottoman rule and was soon joined by the Moldavian Prince Milkhail Sturdza. The two Princes went to war but they knew that they would stand no chance against the newly reformed Ottoman Army, not without outside help at least.



    ((The two princes of Moldavia and Wallachia respectively))
    The Principalities still went to war and they achieved success during the beggining of the campaign in mid-1846. Encouraging Russia to intervene, sending weapons and volunteers to the rebels. When the Ottoman army captured and executed a Russian officer at the battle of Constanta, the Tsar used it as Casus belli for war and declared it on the 6th of February of 1847.

    The Russian Black Sea fleet attacked the Ottoman navy by surprise in the battle of Sinop, the Turkish navy would burn and sink with minimal Russian casualties, bringing them control over the Black Sea coast.

    ((Ottoman fleet at the battle of Sinop, burning on the background))
    The Bear launched two offensives, one with the mission of taking Kars and advance in Trebizond, and the main one would push south into Bulgaria and advance along the coast to Konstantinnye. The Kars offensive was a resounding success with the Ottomans pushed out of the Caucasus, but in the West the Turks managed to create a strong defensive line over the Danube. But eventually the line was broken and the Russians reached Varna, the Ottoman collapse was about to happen.

    ((Siege of Kars))
    But the French thought otherwise, not wanting the Russian Control of the Balkans, the French threatened war if the Russians didn't seat down in a peace meeting in Paris. On the 19th of December of 1848 the Russians declared a ceasefire at the gates of Konstantinnye. The Paris conference agreed on a Peace Treaty: While Russia didn't achieve their dream of controlling Tsargrad or expelling the Turks from the Balkans, the two Principalities of Moldavia and Walachia would be independent and recieve Constanta and Drobudja, Cyprus would be annexed by the French as Naval Base, Bosnia would be under Hungarian occupation, Kars would be given to Russia, and Russia would be allowed free and unlimited access by the Strait of Bosphorus. The Tsar would need to wait another decade or two for his dream thanks to Napoleon III.
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2018
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  2. Whiteshore Defender of Myrcella Baratheon

    Aug 19, 2016
    Maybe you could do some "interlude" update detailing stuff like culture, technological development, the economy, and ideological developments?
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  3. Threadmarks: 1845-1850: New nations, New ideas

    Antonio the Komnenoi A devout Monarchist

    Jun 7, 2017
    The end of the 1845 Revolutions created 5 nations and destroyed an Empire, while the New Nations stabilized themselves and the barricades were demolished, a great Congress was called in Manchester, several representatives from all the way to New York. Pelletist thinkers, from Philisophers to Union Leaders, all went to the same place to decide how the ideology would evolve.

    Two new variants appeared from Mainstream Pelletism: National Pelletism made by the Hungarian Markos Lakatos argued for a Mix of Pelletism, Totalitarianism, and Nationalism, claiming that such a nation would be stronger than an average nation. On the opposite field was William "Billy" Hunter, the British representative, he instead said that Pelletism and Democracy could co-exist, in a form of a gradual change in society and allowing small private propriety.

    Meanwhile an new movement gained proeminence in the Congress: Proudhonism or Anarchism, opposing the very idea of a State and a Authority, instead supporting Mutualism as a basis of Economy. He also supported that Anarchism and Pelletism should be united against a "common foe".

    ((The First International Congress))
    Over the Continent, another ideology was rising: Lustenbergism, made by Antonin Lustenberger, a wealthy middle-class man in Munich. An ambitious mix of Absolutism and Egalitarianism, with the ideal state being administered by a Meritocratic elite with the ending ideal of world unification, but even Lustenberger himself agreed that it was a impossible goal, and instead called for unification of ethnical and cultural groups. While the idea was still in early stages, one man saw potential on it: The son of the Tsar and Autocrat of all-Russias, Pyotr Romanov.

    Meanwhile, Hungary was a Kingdom with no Crown. After the independence, representatives from all the Nation met in Buda to decide to who give a crown: The Hungarians wanted to crown one of their local Nobles, but the Romanians, Slovaks, and Croats blocked what they saw as an attempt to give supremacy to the Magyars, instead they supported a foreign Hapsburg, considering Prince Maximillian but he was still underage. A Russian Prince was considered by Transylvanian Romanians, but the Hungarians and Croats saw that as an attempt to turn Hungary into a puppet, citing the invasion of Galicia as an example. The stalemate paralyzed Hungary for 5 years until Maximillian turned 18 and was invited in desperation by an unanimous vote, he would become Maximillian II von Hapsburg-Lorraine.

    In Italy, Murat II would call for a Italian Congress in Naples, when he was crowned King of Italy and a Liberal constitution was created: Freedom of Speech, of Press, equality under the law, universal male suffrage, and several other Liberal demands. But in 1847, Murat II died and his brother Lucien I Murat, was crowned as King of Italy.

    ((King Lucien I))
    Ireland was born during a starvation crisis, and now Jerôme I Bonaparte, King of Ireland, had to deal with it. He approved a Constitution similar to the North German one, keeping the Powers of the Monarch while creating a Parliament. The first Royal Decree was to ban exportation of food for 2 years, while importing tons of potato crops from all Europe. The granaries were opened to the people and food prices were frozen. By 1850 the starvation was over, at the cost of 190,000 dead, but modern Historians agreed that if wasn't for the actions of King Jerôme, it would be much worser for the Irish people.
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  4. Whiteshore Defender of Myrcella Baratheon

    Aug 19, 2016
    He's a Brit.
  5. Antonio the Komnenoi A devout Monarchist

    Jun 7, 2017
    Billy Hunter doesn't seem very British, fixed.
  6. Threadmarks: Map of the World: 1850

    Antonio the Komnenoi A devout Monarchist

    Jun 7, 2017
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  7. Whiteshore Defender of Myrcella Baratheon

    Aug 19, 2016
    I wonder what this earlier independent Philippines is like.
  8. Threadmarks: The Great Eastern Crusade I

    Antonio the Komnenoi A devout Monarchist

    Jun 7, 2017
    "Most people don't realize that small things, like a Chinese student failing his exams, can change the fate of the world."

    That was the quote that the French Historian Jean-Claude Poirot used to describe what would be latter known as the "Butterfly effect", where small changes could make history take a turn and completely change the future. And there is no better example of this than the Taiping Rebellion.

    ((The Heavenly Kingdom was much more than another change of Dynasty, it changed the History of China))
    Hong Huochiu was the 3rd son of a Han Chinese family, born a poor peasant, he saw the studies as a way to advance in his life and soon applied to the Imperial exams, hoping to become a bureaucrat. Sadly, he would try for 4 times and fall in all of them. After the 2nd attempt, he received a leaflet of a Christian Missionary that he quickly ignored, but after the 3rd attempt, he had a mental breakdown. During the night, he received a vision: He saw himself going to the heavens and meeting a celestial father with golden beard and dressing a black dragon robe. He said that he was angry that the people were bowing to demons instead of him, and Hong needed to help his celestial older brother to slay the demons and bring the people back to the Father. Hong woke from the vision with a new life mission: To slay the Demons of China and bring the people back to God.

    ((Hong Xiuquan, adopted his name after the dream, as a direct order from his celestial Father))
    Hong decides to give those leaflets a second chance, he noticed that Christianity fit perfectly with his vision. God the father was the Celestial Father of Hong, and Jesus Christ was the older brother that he fought with against the demons. Quickly he would adopt a new version of Christianity, burning Confucian symbols in his house and start bringing legions of converts.

    He also had a great opportunity, after the Opium War, the Chinese weakness that the Qing Emperors tried to hide was finally revealed. The Navy was destroyed with ease, the army was humiliated by the European rifles, and the Chinese mindset was totally changed: Before the 19th century, the Chinese people, from the peasants to the Emperor, all thought China was the "Middle Kingdom", the center of the world, the richest and most powerful nation to ever exist. The British Empire proved them wrong, and many questions arose, especially within the Han, that blamed the weakness of China into the foreign Manchu Dynasty.

    In this environment of anti-manchu sentiment and wish for reform, Hong and the "God Worshippers" saw fertile ground to grow. He called the Qing as the source of the Chinese problems, calling them the demons he was supposed to slay. By 1850, the revolt sentiment was at its peak, and a single spark could bring death and destruction to China. The spark came in Jintian, the Imperial authorities became alarmed with the growing size of the sect and ordered their dispersion, when refused, 7,000 troops were dispatched to destroy them, starting the Jintian uprising.

    ((The troops of the Heavenly Kingdom refused to cut their hairs accordingly to the Qing ordered. They also used Blue, White, and Red as colors))
    The Qing troops were defeated by Hong's followers and the commander was beheaded, Hong Xiuquan declared the "Taiping Kingdom of Eternal Peace", promising a land reform to the peasants, equality between the sexes (many wondered what he meant by that), and the the expulsion of the hated Qing, and that would attract millions of followers, including Shi Qigang and Yang Yahui, two men that would raise to the top.

    The two were reformist leaders, after the opium wars, they argued in favor of the modernization of China, especially in the military. Their ideas of using European weapons and tactics would bring Hong's attention, and they became members of the Taiping Court. Even if they were skeptical of Hong's Christianity, they never voiced that and instead focused on driving out the Manchu.

    Hong appointed 5 "Kings", his most loyal and skilled followers, as Generals of the Heavenly Army, the best commander was with no doubt Yang Xiuqing, the Eastern King. The leader of the Northern Experdition. The Taiping Kingdom Marched north, capturing several cities like Fuzhou, Guangzhou, and Hangzhou, the incompetency of the Hedonistical Qing Emperor Xianfeng allowed the Taiping to capture the Yangtze valley, the richest region of China. Nanjing was renamed Tianjing and became Capital of the Heavenly Kingdom.

    Millions of Han peasants flocked into the armies of Hong, seeing him as their liberator from the Qing. Using the chaos of the rebellion, several provinces declared rebellion against the Qing in Xinjiang, Tibet, Yunnan, and Mongolia, further dividing and weakening the Qing forces.

    The Taiping prepared their forces in two offensives: One aiming to capture the cities of the Yangtze, heading to the West. The second one would head North, using the confusion and division in the Qing ranks to capture Peking itself, and force the Manchu out of China once and for all.
  9. Threadmarks: The Great Eastern Crusade II

    Antonio the Komnenoi A devout Monarchist

    Jun 7, 2017
    "It is hard to imagine China today if Hong and his followers didn't expell the Qing to the North, to this day Manchuria and its citizens feel separated from China. One can only especulate the future of the Orient if the Qing dynasty restored order over their provinces." -Sir Edward Blake, ex-Foreign Minister of Great Britain.

    The Western Experdition was sent to capture the richest provinces of China, following the Yangtze, Anhui and Hubei were captured later in the year, after the failure of the Northern Experdition, Hong focused the resources of the Taiping in securing Southern China, sending an extra 500,000 men to finish the conquest. The Qing Garrisons composed by Han Chinese deserted in masses to the Taiping, especially on the May of 1856 when Chongqing and Chengdu fell, finishing the conquest of Western china.

    The Northern Experdition was sent to capture Beijing and the Qing Emperor, sadly for the Taiping Kingdom, the plan was too ambitious from the Start. It was only a matter of time before the Qing reorganized their northern forces, with most of the Taiping forces in the West, the mere 70,000 troops were no match to over 300,000 troops defending Beijing and were forced to retreat, but not before taking Shandong.

    ((Situation of China in 1856, on the eve of the Second Opium War))
    With the southern provinces under rebellion, the Qing were in their weakest, and seeing as "Christianity" was responsible for the Taiping rebellion, missionaries were heavily suppressed. On the late 1856, the execution of 7 French Missionaries by the Qing court enraged Napoleon III, he dispatched a great gunboat fleet with over 10,000 men to punish the Qing court, taking the island of Hainan by 1857.

    The Taiping court saw the opportunity, offering to build a French embassy in Tianjing. The siege of Shangai has been lasting for 4 years and the Qing Garrison resisted, the Taiping offered trade concessions to French Merchants and the transfer of the Island of Hainan and Shangai to the French Empire, in return of weapons and the use of the French Oriental Experdition against the Qing. Seeing the benefits of opening a Market in china to compete with the British, the French accepted.

    The "Invencible Army" was formed by the French elite forces, Merged with several elite regiments equiped with modern rifles and artillery, led by French commanders. Over 60,000 men stormed Shangai with the support of the French navy, the city fell in a quick assault. The end of the Western Experdition and the formation of the Xiang army in Hunan, boosted the Taiping forces. A treaty of peace was made with the Yunan rebels, promising them independence if they joined forces against the Qing. It was time to push the Manchu out of china once and for all, led by Yang Xiuqing, the Eastern King, over 1,500,000 soldiers would march in the Second Northern Experdition.

    The Taiping forces were superior to their Manchu counterparts, not only they were equipped with modern weapons, but their troops had a fanatical morale and discipline. The brilliant leadership of the Eastern King and the sheer number and superiority of the Taiping troops pushed to Beijing, on the 8th of May of 1860, the Taiping took Beijing and the Qing court fleed to Shenyang. With the Manchu pushed to the North of the Great Wall, the Qing agreed on a Eternal peace. Xinjiang, Tibet, Yunnan, Mongolia and Qinghai became Independent Nations, Outer Manchuria was given to Russia, Shangai and Hainan were given to France, and the rest of China would become the "Heavenly Kingdom of Eternal Peace", a Theocratic Empire that ruled the richest land of Asia. Over 15 millions died in the Great Eastern Crusade, most of them Manchu civilians that suffered massacres by the Han Chinese, it was the bloodiest civil war in History and it would take until the 20th Century for a war to match the brutality and casualties of the Great Eastern Crusade.

    ((China in 1860))​
  10. Threadmarks: The Two Brothers: Teaser

    Antonio the Komnenoi A devout Monarchist

    Jun 7, 2017
    Two Brothers, Two Kaisers, One Deutschesland


    On the next Episode: The New German States aren't satisfied with half, each one want a United Germany under either Vienna or Berlin.

    In the North: Son and father conflict over unification, and twin brothers take sides. And the Dutch are forced to join the Union for their own survival.

    In the South: Conflicts arise between two of the States in the Federation, and the non-Germanic Czechs feel incompatible with a Kaiser.

    3 Political masters would arise, all of them with a single goal: Uniting the Germanic peoples. And all of them share a common enemy: The French Empire.

    And the rivalry of the Germans with the French spill in the Economics field, with Albert Boulanger meeting a new rival company: The Weiss Industries.
  11. Threadmarks: A House Divided: Teaser

    Antonio the Komnenoi A devout Monarchist

    Jun 7, 2017
    The Destiny of America


    "A house divided against itself, cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved — I do not expect the house to fall — but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other. Either the opponents of slavery will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become lawful in all the States, old as well as new — North as well as South."
    The US Senator of Illinois Abraham Lincoln described the polarization of the United States during the 1850s. The debates over slavery would radicalize and tear the Union apart, the failure by the Democrats and Whigs to find a solution would bring down the political establishment and the two-party system, with the rise of the radical Republican and Southern Whig parties. New players would rise, From Pelletists to Reactionaries, and soon the two positions would fight in the battlefields and decide the Destiny of America.
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  12. Threadmarks: Voting time: Kaiserreich or some Good ol' slavery debates ?

    Antonio the Komnenoi A devout Monarchist

    Jun 7, 2017
    Which one of those chapters should be done first ? Both happen during the same time (1850) and there is nothing else important in the world now that the rise of the Taiping was covered.
  13. Arkian That's King Arkian to you.

    Nov 2, 2017
    U.S of A
    I would enjoy some good ol' slavery debate
  14. HIM Dogson Rationally Royalist

    Nov 19, 2014
    Oxford University
    I'd go with the Kaiserreich.
  15. connorCD Well-Known Member

    Jul 26, 2018
    I enjoy myself on some good ol German monarchism
  16. Born in the USSA Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2015
    Slavery debate, I suppose
  17. Antonio the Komnenoi A devout Monarchist

    Jun 7, 2017
    Since there is a tie here, it will be solved in the Discord.
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  18. Stretch The One Who Has Seen Too Much

    Sep 21, 2018
    Perth, Western Australia
    Kaiserreich pls.