The Glowing Dream: A history of Socialist America
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Cuba then.
It's far from impossible to survive as a hermit state if you have competent organization.
Fascists are kinda insane. And the Norks always had a sugar daddy to prop them up unlike in this scenario Tjakari talked that Australia being alone capitalist island in a sea of red as the last remnant of the British Empire. I was talking to Tjakari about the last bastion of Capitalism on Earth being Australia...and that it didn't make sense in my opinion and explained why it sounded so dumb and what would be needed for it to even work which sounded even dumber.
China is propping them up probably right now. Also the US never felt like invading after the Cold War ended when they got drunk with power and victory disease. Washington probably thought "they will implode any minute now just wait guys and gals" for the last 30 years while getting swamped with more and more fuck ups after the 90s holidays ended with 9/11. So time and energy to do "something" about Cuba was never accumulated to reach critical levels of "we are going to invade those reds right the fuck now" because it got sapped away by more pressing concerns.
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No, that is not what I said.
I said that it was perfectly plausible for Australia to remain largely unaffected in a situation where the British home island goes red. A place that is literally on the other side of the planet.
But also, there is more to the British Empire than just the home island and Australia, much more, and most of which is fairly out of the way from either Europe or North America where the bulk of the socialist movement is likely going to be situated for at least the next few decades in this timeline. If Great Britain actually succumbs to any sort of revolution, the consequences for most of the Empire aren't going to involve them also falling to revolution. They're not likely to, anyway.
Australia, New Zealand, India, and on and on it goes would definitely be affected by a situation like that, but that doesn't mean they're red too and it definitely doesn't mean the rest of the world is a "sea of red" either".
Barring some really out there events, Australia is very much stable and sustainable without its mother-country. We could go on about this, but I don't really have the energy for it, but I just wanted to make what little I did say clear.
I was talking about nothing of the sort. Just because the British Empire ends up broken up somehow doesn't mean that Capitalism of all things is necessarily isolated or on its last legs or anything like that. That's not even the same conversation, not really.
Look dude, on this site full of actual historians, published authors, experts of so-many-different-fields-that-it-makes-me-question-my-own-intellectual-understanding-every-time-I-log-on.... I am a casual.
A filthy, dirty, non source-citing casual.
I play fast and loose with historical fact myself and I skate by only through internalizing what I learn from people here who are far more educated than me, my own relative smattering of personal research, and a basic understanding of how people generally work.
I am an amateur.
But let me just say these things are not something you can understand from your armchair and you definitely shouldn't be comfortable to just shooting the shit (about ongoing politics in the present especially) and saying whatever sounds right to you. That's an embrace of ignorance if there ever was one.
This place is as low-stakes as it gets and you're not hurting anybody by not knowing exactly what you're talking about.
But just from one soul to the next, you should have a greater respect for fact and for the reality that's a consequence of it.
If you wish to understand anything, you can't just shoot from the hip, you gotta learn.
And my entire post stream started as a giant hypothethical calculation. I do not see how me or you are incorrect. English is not first language and I have high functioning autism/ADD (mentioned in PMs and on posts on SB.com years ago) and I am taking Straterra, I am not 'healthy'/neurotypical in my head, so if I said something that doesn't make sense or insulted you then I apologize for myself and that I didn't mean it that way but those posts are the best I can mentally manage to write down. Again, if I said something sounding tactless or that I didn't read my sources I apologize but it never gets better as my eyes and mind glaze over a text and I get only a fraction of said information from it. So I thank you for explaining to me your point of view again because I didn'tget it the first time. I am happy we can be civil about it.
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If I sounded hostile, that wasn't my attention. As far as I'm concerned, we're just fine.
You don't have to apologize for that.
Not even a little bit.
Wait, what? Labour day is on the 1st of May. What are you talking about?
One thing I was wondering about, what is the status of the American Anarchist movement and will they end up playing a significant role in the drama that is to unfold?
Probably become their own faction in the eventual 2nd ACW, akin to Russian Anarchists and other dissenting leftists groups fighting the Bolsheviks in OTL's Russian civil war.
If that were come to pass then you got government loyalists, socialists, and anarchists fighting it out across the US and for all we know they may not be the only factions in town by that point.
On the other hand American Socialism has a strong Syndicalist streak, so there could be grounds for some sort of cooperation with Anarcho-Syndicalists. Might be a bit much to hope for but American Socialism being a synthesis of Marxism, Syndicalism and Anarchism could be cool, even if that alliance would have to be forged in the crucible of revolutionary war.