Makes sense. The SS probably has its own air branch by now just like the US. Marines do.
The Fatherland - a Nazi victory TL
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It's a good question as things like the Hitler Youth will presumably also still be mandatory, so modern German youngsters will be exposed to potentially a lot of information from both sides. Might well be there's a rebellious pro-Western subculture (as there was in the USSR) but also a lot of "straight shooters" who bought into the ideals of the Hitler Youth.
Living standards are also a major part of it. America looked prosperous and glamorous and that helped fuel the culture war against the Soviet Union. Is Nazi Germany a land of decent living standards or has American economic growth vastly outpaced Germany's?
What the situation of Congo? If I remember well Anglo-Americans released it as an indipendent Republic after a period of stabilization and nation-building. With the population it can sustain and the natural resources it has, a stable Republic of Congo may be a growing powerhouse in Africa. Do you plan to do an update about it?
I'm disappointed to see there hasn't been some TTL equivalent of the Prague Spring in one of Germany satellite states, most probably France, for the reasons I cited. Even USSR had to deal with dissent in vassal states, and not just on the end. I wait to see a TTL Budapest and Prague.
I partly agree with you but the Nazis were a lot scarier than the Soviets were. Still one would think something like Budapest or Prague would happen at least once but only once.
I still think that even if the Democratic Party reduces austerity measures, the space program is further gutted to make up for lost tax revenue and the mission to Mars is delayed indefinitely.
Workers council based communist uprisings aren’t likely.
So I am guessing you mean a (local ethno-national) fascist uprising against NSDAP blood racialism and German chauvinism.
The most likely Prague or Budapest would be peaceful protest in Copenhagen, but here's the thing, when that happened in OTL under the War, the Germans in fact backed down. Whether Germany would also do that after the War is the big question. But I lean toward Germany won't behave similar to Danish protest as they did toward protest elsewhere. Beside their racial views, there was some pretty good reasons, why the German hand was so light in Denmark.
I'm enjoying this thread, but while I can see the Nazis becoming more pragmatic with their economics which were a mess, this is too soon for a change in ideology. They won the war, since the mid-30s all of the children have been indoctrinated in racial theory etc from an early age, and at least for 15-20 years have seen the Untermenschen exterminated outright, or enslaved under fairly brutal conditions, and the imposition of German language and culture imposed throughout the expanded Reich to the point where literacy in other than German for a select few slaves is gone except for any survivors who were literate before the early 1940s (most of them would be among the first to die). This does not mean the Reich can't "mellow", but not for a couple of generations. Given the relative propserity and high standard of living for Aryans, the US/"west" sphere is not so comparatively attractive as it was for the Eastern Bloc of OTL who saw a direct refutation of "life is better for communists" - life IS better for Aryans...
Nelson Mandela is going to be a huge player too. The CIA is going to have a field day supporting and training revolutionary leaders such as Gadaffi, Mandela, etc.
Not at all. I'm speaking of a contestation movement against established order, possibly spearheaded by youth, joined by workers from factories and public services into a general strike, or possibly by reformist politicians, or possibly both.
EDIT: So, I talked of Prague and Budapest, but maybe I shall speak of Poland in the 80s. But in my mind, Frances May 68 is a big reference.
Libya has an Italian majority in this TL, on account of massive migration (and low indigenous population) when oil was discovered. Gadaffi being anybody important in this TL is quite a stretch, considering he was born in 1942 and the world of this TL is vastly different than ours from that point on, his life would also be radically different.
Unless the indigenous peoples outnumber the colonialists (Italian or German) by a large margin, and are willing to try and "smother" them with their bodies, a successful uprising is not in the cards. Rebels with small arms against folks with advanced weapons, and gas, who are simply willing to kill men, women, and children in an area of resistance, won't succeed. Its all well and good to be fish in a sea as Mao opined, however if your enemy is willing to drain the sea to kill all the fish, sharks and guppies, you're screwed. The Italians used mustard gas against the Ethiopians in the 30s, and we know how that turned out. Saddam used nerve gas against the Kurds, and that did not end well for them either until the Americans intervened.
Mussolini was not as ruthless as the Nazis, but the Italians were ruthless "enough" when they felt it was necessary. Heck, even the British used mustard in the 20s against some rebels in Iraq.
Especially in Italian areas, being an indigene is probably not the life of Hell that it would be if the Nazis were in charge.
Mussolini was not as ruthless as the Nazis, but the Italians were ruthless "enough" when they felt it was necessary. Heck, even the British used mustard in the 20s against some rebels in Iraq.
Especially in Italian areas, being an indigene is probably not the life of Hell that it would be if the Nazis were in charge.
On the allied Mussolini TL, Gaddafi was a pro italian politician in Italy. This could happen on this TL with him being a native fascist governor of Lybia.
Is there any possible factors that can cause Italy to abandon Libya, besides for Indigenous Libyans seizing control by force?
Outside of Italian Libyans deciding they want independence from the homeland, it's unlikely to happen at this point ITTL. Libya is firmly Italian ethnically and the Italian economy likely depends significantly on the oil present in Libya to prosper. It's not something that Italy is going to be willing to abandon, outside of extreme circumstances like the total collapse of Italy as a functioning state. Even then, the best you can hope for is an independent Italian nation in Libya.
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