The Dead Live: A Hundred Years' War Timeline

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Update One: A Princely Miracle
Hello everyone!

I have been reading timelines for years, so I thought it was time to start contributing. So without much further ado I would like to present:



The Dead Live: A Hundred Years' War Timeline

A Princely Miracle

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Depiction of Edward of Angoulême's Recovery

In September of 1370 a young boy lay dying of the dread plague which had swept across Europe in a series of deadly waves. Tales of his brave warrior father had always been a source of wonder, comfort and fascination to the young boy, however, that image is but one of many surrounding the man who would in time become known as The Black Prince in a world that would never be. As his son lay dying Edward, Prince of Wales, prepared to leave the smoldering ruins of Limoges behind. The city, which had thrown open its gates to the Duc de Berry, had been properly punished for its inconstancy. Three thousand men, women and children who lived in the city had been given over to his troops, who had sacked the city in a brutal lesson to any who would betray the might of England. The siege and sack had utterly sapped the energy from the sickly prince, who had suffered from amoebic dysentery since his campaigns in Spain in previous years.

Edward of Angoulême, the young boy, took a turn for the worse as his father neared the city of Bordeaux and priests were called to give the boy his last rites. However, at that moment a miracle occurred and the boy stabilized. With his sick and exhausted father and terrified mother at his side the boy slowly recovered from the horrific disease (1). Bells were rung across Bordeaux in celebration of Edward's survival, as the tale of his miraculous recovery spreads and his relieved parents prepare to leave the lands which they had called home for the last many years. By the new year Edward of Angoulême had recovered fully from his sickness and, together with his family, left Aquitaine for England where his grandfather awaited. Left behind to defend the English possessions in France was Edward's uncle John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster alongside Jean III de Grailly, Captal de Buch, one of the greatest military leaders on the English side. Throughout the year, John of Gaunt fought hard to retain what he could of Aquitaine, but he found himself under constant pressure and without proper support. By late 1371 John of Gaunt married Infanta Constance of Castile, claimant to the Castilian throne, thereby securing a claim to Castilian throne and prepared to leave for England.


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The Battle of La Rochelle

As the Prince of Wales and his family settled into their home at Wallingford Castle in Berkshire hoping to recover his health, the war in France intensified under the constant French assaults led by the wily Breton Constable of France Bertrand de Guesclin on the lands and territories of England and its allies while the fleets of Castile worked to interdict the English convoys connecting Aquitaine to England. In June 1372 the Castilian Fleet intercepted a English convoy under the command of the Earl of Pembroke near La Rochelle. Over the subsequent two days the English ships carrying enought pay to support 3,000 combatants for a year and reinforcements of horse and men were sunk. This weakened the English forces in Aquitaine significantly, endangered the communications between Bordeaux and England, and opened the path to French raids on England. Edward III set off with a large fleet of impressed merchant ships to beat back the Castilians and open the rout to Bordeaux once more. However, this fleet found itself defeated by contrary winds which blew for weeks on end until it became too late in the year to sail, thereby ending with Edward having to concede before the whims of weather and sea.

The loss of the convoy in June led to a French attempt at taking the port of La Rochelle and its hinterlands. In the subsequent fighting the Captal de Buch and his forces were ambushed at night by a landing party of French forces under the renowned Welsh mercenary and claimant Prince of Wales Owain Lawgoch. In the subsequent fighting the Captal was almost captured, only making his way to safety by fighting on by torchlight and escaping into the countryside, making his way to safety in La Rochelle two days later (2). Meanwhile, on the 16th June, The Anglo-Portugese Treaty of 1373 established an alliance between the two states and strengthened English interests in Iberia. The Captal de Buch returned to England soon afterwards, where he in partnership with the Duke of Lancaster and Prince of Wales, prepared a force that would reinforce Aquitaine, wreak havoc in France and if possible bring Bertrand de Guesclin to battle.

In 1373 Jean IV de Montfort, Duke of Brittany arrived in England after having been driven out by his own nobles and Charles V. However, Charles V decided to hand the Duchy over to his own brother the Duc d'Anjou. Jean de Montfort's arrival was quickly followed by pleas asking the English to divert their planned invasion to help return him to Brittany, with a promise of allegiance to England in return. Edward III and his advisors were quick to leap at this opportunity, hoping to add this goal to the many others given to the invasion.

The following invasion of France, launched from Calais in August 1373, was commanded by John of Gaunt with the Captal de Buch in support. It was modelled partly off Robert Knolles invasion three years but with the added goal of restarting the war in Brittany (3). The almost 8,000 soldiers marched across northern France, burning and pillaging as they moved, entering Normandy by Late August and raiding the lands surrounding Rouen. Finding their way blocked and the city prepared for a siege, the army swung south towards Paris causing the city to be gripped by panic. The army crossed the Seine north of Paris and launched itself into the heartland of France, marching in three columns and pillaging all before them. The sudden appearance of this army came as a shock to the French and a loud clamor for action was raised by the French nobility who wished to bring their foes to combat. Charles V, King of France, fully aware of the dangers posed by a field battle denied the nobility their wishes and ordered them to burn what they could before the English army, and in so doing starve the army of resources. This decision, while highly unpopular, was committed to by the French who gathered their dependents in fortified cities and castles before starting work to deny their enemy any form of support.

At the same time Jean de Montfort arrived in Brest, Brittany with a smaller force of 3,000 and began besieging and capturing castles and towns in northern Brittany, taking Saint-Pol-De-Léon and besieging St. Brieuc by late September. Olivier de Clisson begins to build up a force to expel Montfort, eventually gathering around 5,000 men to his banner.

As the army bypassed Chartres in early September and moved into the Duchy of Maine the voice of the Duc d'Anjou, brother to King Charles V joined the other voices demanding action. These calls reached fever pitch as the army neared Brittany with the end result that Bertrand de Guesclin was called north to join Olivier de Clisson in preventing the two forces under Montfort and John of Gaunt from linking up with each other. The army under John of Gaunt arrived in the vicinity of Vitré at the crossroads of Normandy, Maine and Brittany in late September. Meanwhile, Montfort abandoned the Siege of St. Brieuc and swelling his ranks upon the news of Gaunt's arrival in Britanny, marched to meet up with his allies.

Bertrand de Guesclin linked up with his ally Olivier de Clisson, bringing their combined force to around 11,000 men and began marching northwards to intercept Montfort before he could link up with Gaunt. The first forces to run into each other are those of Lancaster and Guesclin near Rennes, where the exhausted English, who had just crossed most of France in little more than two months, found themselves faced with a force almost half again as large as their own to their south. The English moved northwards, hoping to evade this force, but were given chase by the French forces. For days the two sides skirmished as the English sought to escape while the French tried to bring their prey to heel. Three days into this chase the English made contact with Montfort's scouts and told them to hurry to their aid. Two days later, on the 9th of October, 1373, just north of Rennes, near the village of Aubigné the three forces collided in one of the largest battles of the war.

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The Battle of Aubigné

The Battle of Aubigné sees more 22,000 men clash in the fields east of the village, at first between the forces under Lancaster and Guesclin. Rising on the morning of the 9th John Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster took the field in command of the center, ably served by John III de Grailly, Captal de Buch who had been given command of the right wing and by William de Montague, Second Earl of Salisbury who commanded the left wing of the army. Their army was a mixed force of veteran men-at-arms, knights and archers so common to the English forces of the wars and close to 7,500 strong. The French forces outnumbered their foes by more than three thousand men, and were also composed of a mixture of men-at-arms, knights and archers though far fewer and relegated to the rear as per common French tradition of the time. The two sides clashed around noon, the French were bombarded by the English archers from behind well protected positions placed between the wings and center of the English formation. As arrows rained down upon the French forces the French charged across the field. The two sides found themselves bound tightly together in a struggle to the death, the field turning to mud under the combatants as the English were slowly but steadily forced back. As the hours passed and the weak October sun moved across the sky to the cries of the combatant, Jean de Montfort arrived from behind the village of Aubigné with his vanguard of 300 knights who were immediately sent into the side of the French formation. The ensuing chaos swiftly degenerated into a bloody free-for-all as more and more of Montfort's forces arrive. By nightfall the two sides were finally able to disengage, with the English encamping near Aubigné with Montfort while the French did so to the south. Left on the field are more than 6,000 dead and wounded equally split between the two sides.

The following day, the two sides lined up to meet in battle once more, this time with equal numbers on both sides, however they were interrupted by Cardinal Jean de Murat de Cros, newly appointed grand penitentiary, who demandedthat the two sides break off their conflict and brought a demand from Pope Gregory XI to end their conflict. The two sides, after much disapproval and disagreement on both sides, disengaged, with the English forces moving towards Brest while the French withdrew south to Rennes. Messages were sent to both Edward III and Charles V to start negotiations under a truce starting in 1374 in Bruges, Flanders (4).



Footnotes:
(1) This is the POD. In OTL Edward of Angoulême died of the plague in late 1370 or early 1371. His death came as a shock to Edward, Black Prince of Wales who was never the same afterwards and the loss of his eldest son has been credited with worsening the already bad health of the prince.

(2) IOTL the Captal de Buch was captured for the third time in this encounter. He was imprisoned in the Temple in Paris and kept imprisoned without ransom thereafter. He was considered too great of a risk to allow him to go free by King Charles V of France despite the pleas of not only English royalty and nobility, but French Nobility as well. He was therefore left in the Temple until his death, shortly after learning of the death of his close friend and ally Edward, Prince of Wales.

(3) This is largely the force that IOTL became the Great Chevauchée under John of Gaunt. Over the course of four months John of Gaunt and his army raided France, marching around Paris, through Burgundy and Auvergne before arriving in Aquitaine that winter. The expedition, while hailed as a bold move ultimately proved unsuccessful and led to immense anger and resentment in England, which only grew worse as Lancaster grew to the most important political figure in England soon after.

(4) IOTL negotiations started somewhat later on what became the Treaty of Bruges and was only accepted by Edward III after the loss of almost all English territories in France. This time around the English retain Angoulême and some of the lands south of it, as well as the land corridor south to Navarre and a large part of northern Brittany. This leaves them much better off than OTL, but still represent devastating losses to the English. The Battle of Aubigné serves to drive both sides to exhaustion and end Guesclin's series of conquests in Aquitaine.
 
Update Two: A Troubled Truce
As mentioned previously, here is the next update to The Dead Live:

A Troubled Truce

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Coucy's mercenaries sacking an abbey in Alsace

While the long-drawn negotiations for peace began in Bruges the mercenary companies of France found themselves unemployed and without a clear target. This led King Charles to reach out to Enguerrand VII de Coucy, Lord of Coucy, Count of Soisson and Earl of Bedford, recently returned from fighting for the Pope in Italy, to find a solution to the realm's problems. Coucy was at this time one of the greatest lords of France and held a strong claim to Aargau, Brisgau, Sundgau and Ferrette through his deceased mother Catherine of Austria which he contested with his cousin Duke Leopold von Habsburg of Austria. The royal purse was opened and money flowed freely to allow Coucy to draw the various Free Companies of mercenaries overrunning France after him. Attacking in spring 1374, Coucy and his band of mercenaries around 10,000 strong marched south from his lands in Picardy into Alsace (1). As they marched the mercenaries burned and pillaged, leaving death and destruction in their wake. Strasbourg and several smaller towns were held for ransom while numerous villages were put to the torch. In the face of this massive invasion, Leopold ordered the Alsatians to fortify their towns and raze the villages that were indefensible. Meanwhile, Leopold, who was greatly outnumbered, withdrew to Breisach on the other side of the Rhine and sent out delegates to provoke the Swiss to battle against Coucy. The Swiss demurred, stating that they would only protect the Aargau on their border, the region south of Alsace. As first Brisgau, then Sundgau and Ferrette were overrun the mercenaries were drawn ever further south by the promise of loot, but faced only devastation as they move through the screen prepared by Leopold. By high summer the mercenaries crossed into the Aargau in pursuit of pillage and plunder.

The mercenaries split up to better plunder the region while Coucy marched to besiege the town of Büren, which was taken later in the month, along the Aare. The mercenaries eventually reached the frontiers of Zürich and Lucerne. In midsummer the Swiss marshalled alongside Lucerne and attacked a collection of mercenaries under the command of Owain Lawgoch, catching them by surprise and putting them to rout, succeeding in killing around 300. News of the victory arrived in Bern soon after where an assembly of citizens from the region soon gathered. The collection of Swiss marched north into the Aargau, numbering some 2,000 in total and attacked the southernmost outposts of mercenaries, setting them fleeing north as well, in the hopes of defeating their enemies piece-meal. When news of the Swiss assault reached Coucy he put out a call to the mercenaries under his command, gathering them near Ins and marched east. Near the Abbey of Fraubrunnen the two sides clashed, where, with Coucy able to bring overwhelming numbers to bear, he put the Swiss infantry to flight. In the ensuing rout hundreds were butchered as the mercenaries took vengeance for their losses. Leopold at this point reached out the Swiss, offering an alliance. Over the following year the Aargau was left devastated, with most of its towns burned to the ground as the two sides fought back and forth over the region. By late 1375 the two parties were able to come to terms, with Coucy taking control of parts of the Aargau as well as all of Brisgau, Sundgau and Ferrette while leaving the Habsburgs claiming the rest of the Aargau, where their ancestral castle of Habsburg lay. This victory brought Coucy a great deal of renown and new sources of income, adding to his already impressive standing and holdings (2). The mercenaries who had served under Coucy slowly trickled back into France, returning to devastate the country side by mid-1376, forcing various nobles to either deal with them or combat their advances.

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The Young Prince Edward of Angoulême

Edward of Angoulême's arrival in England happened to great fanfare, with people eager to see the boy increasingly called the Miracle Prince. Over the next couple of years, as the war in France raged, he grew to know various family members and the rest of the English nobility. He forged a close friendship with his uncle Thomas of Woodstock, ten years his elder, along with his nephew Thomas de Stafford, and his peers Thomas de Mowbray, who becomes a page to the Prince of Wales in 1374, Henry Percy and Ralph Neville. Edward was surrounded by priests and tutors from the moment of his arrival, the darling of his parents and hope of a nation. He had always been the constant subject of praise and well wishes, but this had increased significantly of late, particularly following his seemingly miraculous recovery from the Plague. Edward grew to believe that he was spared from the plague to fulfill God's will on earth and in the process became incredibly devout and steadfast in his convictions. With the start of negotiations in Bruges, Jean III de Grailly, Captal de Buch returned to England at the insistence of Edward, Prince of Wales who made his close friend tutor to his eldest son. A year later Edward's brother, Richard of Bordeaux received his tutor in the form of Guichard d'Angle (3), another long-time companion of his father. As he grew older Edward found himself increasingly at odds with the three years older Robert de Vere, Ninth Earl of Oxford whose betrothal to Edward's cousin Philippa de Coucy, who as it happened was Edward's favorite cousin, and close friendship with his brother Richard of Bordeaux made him overly familiar with Edward and arrogant towards Edward's friends. Their discord, particularly over Philippa, reached a boiling point in mid-1375 when the two ended up in an all-out brawl which ended up leaving Edward with a long cut down the side of his face and Robert with a broken nose.

The brawl between the Earl of Oxford and the heir to the throne provoked outrage and scandal at the court of Edward III. The Prince of Wales was quick to demand Robert de Vere's head, enraged at the wounding of his son, but was slowly talked down by his brother John of Gaunt who extended his protection to the young de Vere. The acrimonious relations that resulted between the main de Vere family and the Prince of Wales came as an unpleasant surprise to Isabella of England, the mother of Philippa de Coucy, who decided to break of the engagement between her daughter and Robert de Vere at her brother's, the prince's, insistence. These shockwaves hit the court one after the other culminating in Aubray de Vere, uncle to the Earl of Oxford, going to his former benefactor the Prince of Wales and offering his services as regent to his nephew, whose mother Maud de Ufford had clearly not done her duty properly in Aubray's opinion. This resulted in Aubray de Vere being appointed guardian of his nephew soon after. By the time Robert reached his majority his estates had largely been subsumed by his uncle, leaving the Earl of Oxford in debt and soon after mired in litigation against his uncle. Robert de Vere's future would depend wholly on the continued support of his close friend Richard of Bordeaux and that of his patron, John of Gaunt, because neither of the Edwards were of a forgiving nature. Philippa de Coucy was engaged to Thomas de Mowbray in early 1376 at the suggestion of the Prince of Wales as a final insult to Robert de Vere and his mother.


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The Treaty of Brétigny

The peace negotiations between England and France had opened in the spring of 1374 under the auspices of Louis II de Dampiere, Count of Flanders and Pope Gregory XI. Both sides arrived to the negotiations with plenty of lawyers and legal experts hoping to prove their claims before the assembled representatives of Europe. Over the next half year the French continuously pushed for the repudiation of the Treaty of Brétigny. This included French claims to all of Guyenne and Poitou, much to the disgust of the English who spent much of their time arguing to retain the county of Angoulême and for Jean de Montfort's claim on the Duchy of Brittany. After half a year of unsuccessful negotiations the two sides agreed to extend the truce another year and continued negotiations in the next year. The negotiations recommenced in early 1375 but served mostly as an opportunity for the nobility to demonstrate their wealth in lavish tournaments, feasts and other entertainments with neither side offering realistic solutions or attempting to compromise. The negotiations were further burdened by Charles V's demands that reparations be paid for the damage done to France during the war, prompting English statements that King Jean II's ransom remained unpaid. The end result was that nothing could be agreed upon by either side and another truce was issued while solutions were sought at home.

The constant delays and extensions of the truce without real peace caused a great deal of anger and discontentment in England. These sources of resentment built on the increasingly lawless nature of the land where knights and soldiers who, used to the pillage and plunder of France, attacked their tenants and acted as bandits, as well as the growing religious unrest surrounding the Lollards and the perceived corruption of the government. With the seating of Parliament in mid-1375, following news of the extended truce, the parliamentarians began by raising one of their own, Peter de la Mare, as the first ever Speaker of the House. On the first day he delivered an address criticizing England's recent military failures, condemning the corruption at court, and calling for closer scrutiny of the royal accounts. These demands were further expanded on by asking for redress to a long list of grievances before the parliament would be willing to vote another subsidy for the crown. Most important of these demands was the demand that the King's mistress Alice Perrers and several of the King's ministers be removed from power and influence over the king. This was largely an effort pushed by the Earl of March who had married the only daughter and heir of Edward III's second son Lionel of Antwerp to place his supporters in power and to clean up the rampant corruption of the regime. By the end of the month Parliament had called Richard Lyons, the Warden of the Mint, and Lord Latimer, who it was claimed was robbing the treasury, before parliament and had then impeached and imprisoned them while the King's mistress was sent into seclusion at parliament's orders, much to the horror of the increasingly senile King Edward III who found himself exhausted and confused without the calming presence of his mistress.

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Edward III with his mistress Alice Perrers

With this act the floodgates were opened for the various factions at court to attempt to place themselves in a better position. John of Gaunt began pushing for the adoption of Salic Law which would make his descendants the next heirs in line after Edward of Woodstock, The Prince of Wales' heirs thereby bypassing the claims of Edmund Mortimer, the Earl of March. This caused great uproar, particularly as this would cause issues of legitimacy regarding the English claim on the French throne and the fact that it was a naked attempt at power. After dismissing Gaunt's attempted power grab the Parliament began imposing new councilors on the King, namely The Earl of March, the Bishop of London and the Bishop of Winchester alongside several appointments trumped through by the Prince of Wales, who increasingly involved himself in courtly and parliamentary politics. Of particular note was the attempt by Richard Lyons to bribe the Prince of Wales into freeing him, resulting in his eventual execution at the insistence of the angered Prince (4). By the end of the Parliament the Prince of Wales had emerged as the undisputed master of politics in England, having secured pledges of support for himself and his son as heirs to the King, as well as built up a major following in the Parliament who voted a separate subsidy to the Prince and helped him place his supporters in the government. A petition for reform was accepted in the King's name by the Prince of Wales who viewed this as an opportunity to reduce the power of some of the powerful magnates of England. A further act of the Parliament included a stern condemnation of Lollardy which had grown into a problem of immense magnitude to the church in England (5). Enguerrand de Coucy was present as France's ambassador to determine the nature of the continued negotiations and in his position as Earl of Bedford and son-in-law to the King. After seeing the emerging political dominance of the Prince of Wales he was able to ascertain English goals from the Prince of Wales who in turn convinced him of English willingness to keep fighting if necessary. He then in turn convinced the King of France to continue negotiations where the most gains were expected (6).

As such, the negotiations in Bruges restarted in early 1376 with discussions on issues ranging from Scotland, Castile and Calais to a potential dynasty under an English prince taking the Duchy of Aquitaine under French auspices or a partition and exchange of fiefs to solidify the various claims. The suggestion of a match between Edward of Angoulême and Charles V's daughter Marie was also considered for some time and gained a great deal of traction but eventually floundered like all the other attempts at peace so far in the conflict on the rest of the clashing considerations of the two parties. Eventually the peace talks were put on hold once more and the truce extended by a year in the hopes of buiding on the limited success they had experienced.

Nearing the end of 1376, Edward III of England, by the Grace of God, King of England and France and Lord of Ireland, Duke of Aquitaine, Earl of Chester and Count of Ponthieu and Montreuil neared the end of his life. After almost fifty years on the throne, Edward III had been the era defining monarch of his generation. With much of his family surrounding him Edward slowly faded away secure in the knowledge that his throne would be safe in the hands of his eldest son, if rather miffed at the banishment of his mistress (7).


Footnotes:
(1) This is basically the background for the Gügler War IOTL. The reasons for the conflict are the same and the method by which they occur are incredibly similar. The main distinction between the two is timing of the conflict, occurring 1½ years earlier than IOTL.

(2) IOTL the Gügler War ended up a failure for Coucy. This was primarily due to the winter conditions the war was fought under and the unwillingness of the mercenaries to fight against the steadfast Swiss opposition. The end result was that Coucy and his forces were forced to flee the Aargau and Coucy eventually only gaining the county of Nidau with the town of Büren in the Aargau after negotiating with the Habsburgs. Coucy was so embarrassed at the course of the conflict that he told Froissart that he wasn't even present for most of the conflict.

(3) Guichard d'Angle was Richard's tutor IOTL as well and was handsomely rewarded for his services by his pupil.

(4) Richard attempted this IOTL as well, only for the Prince to shut the door in his face. He went on to bribe King Edward with only limited results, and was eventually freed at the insistence of John of Gaunt and reinstated following the next parliament.

(5) IOTL this parliament occurred a year later and with significantly more rancor. Many of the end results are similar except for the parts regarding the Prince of Wales who is in significantly better health and spirits and as such does not die at the height off the Parliament. Many of these initiatives were dismantled by John of Gaunt IOTL, as both Richard Lyons and Lord Latimer were considered his supporters. John of Gaunt was incredibly unpopular at this time mostly because he was viewed as the ruler during the English losses of this period, and due to his position as heir to Richard of Bordeaux, OTL Richard II.

(6) According to Froissart Coucy urged King Charles to attack the English after returning from his English sojourn, convinced that the English were at their breaking point with a senile king, boy heir and feuding magnates causing untold troubles for them. ITTL the situation looks much better for the English due to the growing dominance of the Prince of Wales and as such Coucy urges continued negotiations.

(7) Edward dies half a year earlier than IOTL mostly due to minor and major butterflies hitting the TL. Particularly important is the removal of his mistress Alice Perrers who isn't allowed out of seclusion ITTL by John of Gaunt, and as such Edward finds himself without much cause to continue fighting his bad health.
 
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An interesting TL.
I suspect settling the succession cognate vs agnate will be slightly delayed relative to OTL due to the Black Prince having 2 heirs and living longer.

Oh and nitpicking: Edward of Angouleme isn't heir to the throne he's heir to his father who is heir to the throne.
 
An interesting TL.
I suspect settling the succession cognate vs agnate will be slightly delayed relative to OTL due to the Black Prince having 2 heirs and living longer.

Oh and nitpicking: Edward of Angouleme isn't heir to the throne he's heir to his father who is heir to the throne.

I wasn't quite sure how to state that fact, though I am a aware of it. That scene is mainly Edward ensuring that both his own succession is secure, and, because of his sickness, that his son is also sure to follow him. He is worried about the potential for a regency to end up pushing Angoulême out of power.
 
Well, that's an interesting TL. I'm not sure where this is heading, but I have always though that with Charles V's enacting a strict and systematic strategy of attrition and overhauling the fiscal system to fund the war, the war's conclusion was a foregone one.
You mentionned the first point when talking of Charles V's refusal to committ to open battles despite the nobility's pleas (Charles V has for him the arguments of Crécy and Poitiers), and the second by alluding to the financial difficulties of the English crown (even though its lands were the hardest hit, the Valois monarchy armed with a new and ruthlessly efficient fiscal system was able to fund the war, where the English crown drew into bankrupty many Italian banks who were careless enough to lend it money).
 
Well, that's an interesting TL. I'm not sure where this is heading, but I have always though that with Charles V's enacting a strict and systematic strategy of attrition and overhauling the fiscal system to fund the war, the war's conclusion was a foregone one.
You mentionned the first point when talking of Charles V's refusal to committ to open battles despite the nobility's pleas (Charles V has for him the arguments of Crécy and Poitiers), and the second by alluding to the financial difficulties of the English crown (even though its lands were the hardest hit, the Valois monarchy armed with a new and ruthlessly efficient fiscal system was able to fund the war, where the English crown drew into bankrupty many Italian banks who were careless enough to lend it money).

Things are going to get very interesting, particularly starting in update four. Until then it is mostly establishing the ground works and setting up the dominos.
 
I for one am very much enjoying it! There's so many threads on a surviving Black Prince but this is the first TL I've seen that deals with the topic. I'm quite looking forward to seeing where this goes. For instance, will Charles V die in schedule or will he live longer? Will John of Gaunt still push his claim to Castile and could it be successful? Keep up the good work.
 
THis looks really good, subscribed. Were there any territorial changes? Maybe we can get a map?

I have no idea of how to make out a proper map so until I learn how to do that there likely won't be. A map would also make more sense later on, so once we get to update six, if someone would be interested it might make sense for a map then. But as of this update England is somehat better off than OTL. They control parts of northern and western Brittany as well as the coast from Bordeaux down to Navarre and a small strip of land made up of land from the county of Angoulême streching to the city. There are also a few enclaves in southern Poitou, but those lands have mostly been lost by this point in time. The Hundred Years' War are rarely marked by official territorial changes, at least not in the main struggle, and will therefore change back and forth multiple times without any legalistic changes taking place.
 
Update Three: The King is Dead! Long Live the King!
This is the shortest of my updates, so I hope you can forgive me. It is mostly to set up the reign of Edward IV.

The King is Dead! Long Live the King!

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The Coronation of Edward IV Plantagenet as King of England

On New Year's Day 1377 Edward of Woodstock and his wife Joan of Kent were crowned together at Westminster Abbey in a lavish ceremony, with Edward taking the throne at 46 after a life-time of war and rulership. Since his first campaign in Flanders at the age of 14 he had fought across the length and breadth of western Europe. He had won, and participated in, several famous battles ranging from Poitiers and Crécy to Nájera and Calais. He was considered one of the greatest military minds of his age and had left his indelible mark on the history books even before he took his seat on the throne of England. He had administered Aquitaine for his father for a decade with mixed results, but he was now ready to embark on the task he had been preparing for since his birth. However, since his Spanish campaign Edward had suffered from amoebic dysentery and he was well aware that his health was precarious. As such he set out to prepare his son's reign in any way possible and, time permitting, would try to place his own mark on history.

Soon after his coronation, Edward IV began to reward those who had supported him and to prepare a cadre of men who would be able to help guide his son once he became king. To this end Edward received the Enguerrand VII de Coucy's renunciation of his titles and lands days after his coronation (1), most of these lands were passed on to Edward's niece Philippa de Coucy but the title of Earl of Bedford and various other lands were given to his friend and ally Jean III de Grailly, Captal de Buch who could from then on be addressed as Earl of Bedford. His other son Richard's tutor and Edward's friend Guichard d'Angle was made Earl of Huntingdon for life (2). Edward also rewarded his family, raising Thomas of Woodstock to Earl of Buckingham and of Northampton, the second of these being granted jure uxoris to Thomas through his marriage to Eleanor de Bohun (3), while Edmund of March was made Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, John de Mowbray was made Earl of Nottingham and Edmund of Langley's title as Earl of Cambridge was raised to a Dukedom (4). His eldest son Edward was made Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall and Aquitaine (5) while his younger son was named Earl of Carlisle (6). In an elaborate ceremony soon afterward Edward IV knighted a large number of young nobles including both of his sons, Edward and Richard, his nephew Henry of Bolingbroke, John and Thomas de Mowbray, Ralph Neville, Henry Percy and John de Ros (7).

That spring Jean IV de Montfort was blessed with a son by his wife Joan de Holland, half-sister to Edward of Angoulême, and named Jean after his father and grandfather. After a childless decade of marriage the boy came as a surprise to the overjoyed parents, and once the news reached Queen Joan of her grandson's birth grand celebrations were held. A blood tie between the Montfort and Plantagenet dynasties had been establish after having attempted to gain just that for more than a quarter century (8). A second daughter would be born the year after in early 1378 and would be named Jeanne de Montfort.

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Edward IV, King of England and France, Lord of Ireland

By the late spring of 1377 negotiations were taken up once more with a great deal of ground won regarding the proposal of Marie de Valois' marriage to Edward of Angoulême and the concept of swapping fiefs to compensate each side properly. However, the issue of the Duchy of Brittany became ever larger, particularly once news arrived of an heir to the Montfort claim, invalidating the current proposal of the claim reverting to the Duke of Anjou after Jean de Montfort died. Proposals regarding Breton independence, neutrality or subordination to either or both Kingdoms are all proposed but no solution seemed obvious or acceptable to both parties. Then in July news arrived that the young Marie de Valois had died ending any chance of a Valois-Plantagenet union ending the conflict. This was ultimately the end of any serious negotiations as both sides slowly backed away from their conciliatory stances and slowly became more and more extreme in their demands. Before they reach that point however the two sides succeed in negotiating an extension of the truce once again (9).

War had raged in Italy since 1375 when Florence, in a league against the papacy with Milan, Bologna, Perugia, Pisa, Lucca and Genoa, rose in revolt after an embargo was issued on the export of grain from the Papal States to Florence thus beginning what became known as the War of Eight Saints. The revolt brought the Pope's Legate in Italy, Robert of Geneva (10), to the forefront of Italian politics. He convinced Pope Gregory XI to hire Breton mercenaries from around Avignon and crossed the Alps in mid-spring 1376 into Lombardy where they were let loose to spread terror across Italy. The army arrived near Bologna but found its attempt at a siege frustrated. In a rage the Cardinal attacked the nearby town of Cesena and after swearing an oath of clemency if they surrendered the town, ordered a general massacre of the town following its surrender. With a death toll between 2,500 and 5,000 and 8,000 refugees the event would leave a mark on the history of the church which would resound with future generations (11). Florence was excommunicated soon after by the pope, who provoked bandits to raid the Florentine commerce. The Florentines retaliated by expropriating ecclesiastical property and forcing the local clergy to open their churches despite the excommunication. When Florence reached out to the city of Rome and asked them to join the league in revolt against the Avignon Papacy it finally pushed Gregory to act on the excoriations of Saint Catherine of Siena, who had been demanding a return of the Papacy to Rome for years. Despite immense pressure and resistance from both the French King, Dukes and nobles as well as from many of the cardinals in Avignon against the move, he left in September 1376 only arriving in Rome by January 1377 due to the dangers of the region and the logistical challenges of setting up the Holy See. Upon his arrival Gregory found himself besieged by the turmoil of Italian politics and goaded by French cardinals demanding a return to the opulent Avignon. Fifteen months later, having felt the full brunt of displeasure from both his supporters and enemies, Pope Gregory XI died thereby triggering a papal conclave in the ruins of Rome much to the horror of the assembled French cardinals (12).


Footnotes:
(1) Coucy did this IOTL as a way of siding firmly with one side in the conflict between France and England. Until this point in time he had largely stayed out of the war, fighting in Italy, for his inheritance or working for the Pope to stay out of the conflict and escape the dishonor involved in fighting either your liege lord or your father-in-law. He also cut ties with his wife around this time, with the two splitting their two daughters so the younger Philippa would inherit the English lands while their elder daughter Marie would take the lands in France.

(2) Guichard d'Angle recieved the same title from Richard II on Richard's coronation IOTL.

(3) IOTL the title Earl of Northampton went into abeyance due to both Henry of Bolingbroke and Thomas of Woodstock wanting the title through their wives (who happened to be sisters). Henry would eventually win out in the contest for the title and became Earl of Northampton along with a series of other titles. This time around Edward IV is aiming to tie his youngest brother to his son as tightly as possible due to his view of Thomas as the most trustworthy, or least likely to claim the throne.

(4) Edmund of Langley does not become Duke of York this time around, instead his title is simply raised. This is again an attempt at tying his brothers to the current regime and ensuring the loyalty of the brothers further down in inheritance.

(5) Edward of Angoulême is granted his father's former titles, namely Duke of Cornwall and Aquitaine and Prince of Wales.

(6) Richard of Bordeaux's title as Earl of Carlisle was at this time unclaimed, the previous occupant Andrew Harclay having forfeited the title soon after gaining it in 1322 by treating with the Scots. He was draw, hung and quartered on charges of treason for this act.

(7) This is based on the joint knighting of Richard II, Henry of Bolingbroke and John de Mowbray. This time around Edward uses the opportunity to deepen the bonds between his sons and the rest of the high nobility.

(8) Jean IV de Montfort was first married to Marie de Plantagenet, daughter of Edward III, but when she died young and childless he married the step-daughter of the Prince of Wales, Joan de Holland the eldest daughter from Joan of Kent's first marriage. She would die childless IOTL in 1384. This time things work out a bit differently.

(9) These negotiations are far more earnest than those that occurred in OTL. ITTL the French are not certain that they can defeat the English and still believe that peace can be achieved. The sincere attempts by both sides ends up floundering however, as they had so often before and would so often in the future, on the deep-seated disagreements of both sides and their increasingly intermeshed and clashing claims.

(10) Robert of Geneva was a brother of the Count of Geneva, a descendant of Louis VII and cousin of Charles V, a relative of the Counts of Savoy and of half the sovereign houses of Europe. He was incredibly well connected, had been part of the highest elite since his birth and had received a nobleman's education in the process.

(11) This marked the last time John Hawkwood would work for the Pope, instead working primarily for Florence and Milan, eventually settling in Florence. This is per OTL.

(12) This is basically what happened in the last years of Pope Gregory XI's reign IOTL.
 
Update Four: Kings Plot While Churches Break
Things really start getting interesting from this point forward and the various butterflies really start hitting the timeline. I really hope you enjoy where I went with this.



Kings Plot While Churches Break

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Pope Urban VI

Prior to the election, the citizens of Rome urged the conclave to elect an Italian, preferably a Roman, although neither of the two Roman cardinals were truly considered as options by the conclave precisely because they were Romans and as such might be unwilling to leave the city for Avignon. The cardinals were quick to remove their valuables from Rome, demanded improved security measures, wrote their wills and some even donned armor in expectation that the Roman mob would explode in rage at their decision. These preparations led the Roman mob to gather as the cardinals entered the Vatican for the conclave surrounded by heavily armed soldiers. In terror, the cardinals dressed up the elder of the two Roman cardinals up in the papal vestments and exhibited him on the Throne of St. Peter as though he had been elected pope, while the cardinals fled the Vatican for a fortified location outside the city where they then held the conclave properly. When the crowd learned they had been lied to they began chanting "Death to the Cardinals!" and broke into the Vatican in search of them, eventually leaving drunk after breaking into the Papal wine cellars and demolishing and stealing what they could find (1).

Sixteen cardinals were present in Rome for the 1378 Conclave: one Spaniard and four Italians, two of them Roman, while the remaining eleven French cardinals were split between two factions, the Limousins who traditionally represented supporters of the King of France, and the Gallicans who were ordinarily associated with the English in Gascony. Neither French party was willing to elect a pope belonging to the opposing group, despite multiple attempts at electing Robert of Geneva who led the Gallican faction. When neither side could amass a two-thirds majority they threw their support behind a compromise candidate to ensure neither side won over the other. This compromise candidate was Bartolomeo Prignano, Archbishop of Bari, Vice-Chancellor of the Curia and a Neapolitan of low birth. Bartolomeo was considered a pliable papal figurehead by both factions, who felt they could maneuver him to their own advantage due to his low birth, which would predispose him to following commands, and their belief in his willingness to return to Avignon. However, Bartolomeo would prove to be a strong opponent of simony and corruption and was well known for his temper. Despite this, the cardinals were certain of their control and began preparing to leave Rome in the near future (1).

On the 9th of April, 1378 the Archbishop of Bari was elected Pope as Urban VI, and under heavy guard, was escorted to take his place on the Throne of St. Peter. Notices were sent of the election and news conveyed to the six cardinals in Avignon without any problems. However, Papal power quickly went to Urban's head. He publicly chastised the cardinals for absenteeism, luxury and lavish lifestyles - whereupon he forbid them to hold or sell multiple benefices, prohibited them from accepting pensions, gifts of money and other favors from secular sources. Furthermore, he ordered the papal treasurer not to pay the cardinals their customary half of the revenue from their benefices and instead used the money to restore the churches of Rome. All of this, alongside Urban's daily profanity, abuse and mockery of the cardinals caused immense anger among the cardinals and, when Urban refused to return to Avignon, the Cardinals grew enraged. At the same time Urban announced that Queen Joanna I of Naples was governing her fief badly, citing her gender as the reason, and threatened to put her in a nunnery or depose her for failure to pay the dues of Naples as a papal fief (2).

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Charles II d'Évreux, King of Navarre

Charles of Navarre had been an integral part of the war between France and England since its inception. He had attempted multiple times to take the French throne for himself, had instigated revolt and rebellion against the French King and had tried numerous times to poison King Charles V and anyone else in his way. Despite this, he also happened to be Charles' brother-in-law and had served on the French side multiple times with varying degrees of success. In 1377 he entered the stage once more, when he sent secret negotiators to the court of Edward IV proposing a marriage alliance between Edward, Prince of Wales and his daughter Joan of Navarre, as well as the use of his Norman lands in the war against France (3). This offer changed the situation immensely for Edward IV who finally found the opening he had been searching for. As a result, when the negotiations resumed in Bruges the English negotiators worked hard to present a convincing front to lull the French into complacency. In the meantime Charles of Navarre and Edward quietly began preparing for the coming conflict while their covert correspondence continued, building up their garrisons and ensuring the military quality of their forces.

The first hint that the Cardinals were done with Pope Urban was when they started assembling military support behind the Duke of Fondi, a nobleman from Naples, while the Romans and their military rallied behind Urban, who had won their support by refusing to return to Avignon. Urban further secured his position by concluding peace with Florence and lifting the interdict, making him surprisingly popular among the Florentines who were otherwise notoriously anti-papal. Guarded by Breton mercenaries, the cardinals left Rome for the papal summer resort at Angani where they, on the 9th of August, 1378, issued a declaration pronouncing Urban's election void on the grounds that they had elected him while in "fear of their lives". They went on to state that because the Holy See was vacant, and only a Pope could call an Ecumenical Council, that a Council could not arbitrate the issue. They further went on to anathematize Urban as "Anti-Christ, devil, apostate, tyrant, deceiver and elected-by-force". After beating back the papal forces sent to capture them, the cardinals reached out to secure the support of Charles V who they were certain would support them and aid the return to Avignon. The cardinals moved on to Fondi in Naples and in a conclave held on September 20 elected a new pope. The man elected as Clement VII was Robert of Geneva, the man most hated and feared by the Italians as the Butcher of Cesena (4).

Urban's response to the rise of an anti-pope supported by al ofl his cardinals was not to resign. Instead he created an entirely new College of Cardinals within a week and hired a company of mercenaries to maintain the Holy See by force. In the following battle between partisans of Clement and Urban, Urban's forces emerged victorious and Clement was sent scurrying out of Rome, fleeing south to Joanna of Naples. Charles V publicly recognized Clement as Pope in November 1378 and issued a proclamation forbidding obedience to Urban by anyone within the French realm. He was soon joined by the kings of Scotland, Castile and Aragon. England under Edward IV, Emperor Wenceslas who had only recently ascended to the throne, and the various kings of Hungary, Poland and Scandinavia all declared for Urban. Charles of Navarre and Fernando of Portugal initially remained neutral, but would eventually end up declaring for Pope Urban (5). Clement left Italy with his cardinals in early 1379, returning to Avignon in April 1379. With Urban strongly seated in Rome and Clement in Avignon the Western Schism was firmly in place (4).

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Pope Clement VII
As the church broke into two, the situation became increasingly tense, with war fever gripping England. During this time Joan de Holland died in childbirth, leaving her husband with a second daughter who was named Isabelle at her father's request. Suddenly in the marriage market, Charles of Navarre was quick to reach out to the Breton Duke and proposed his fifteen year-old daughter Bonne of Navarre (6) as a wife to properly seal the alliance between the three planned participants of the coming war. At the same time Edward IV suggested that Jean de Grailly might want to find a wife, offering Joan de la Warr (7), the twelve-year old half-sister of the Baron de Warr and cousin to the de Mowbray brothers. Both of these offers were accepted and marriage plans began soon after.

In the previous seven years Charles of Navarre had already attempted to poison Charles V multiple times and had tried to provoke others to do the same numerous times. It should therefore not come as any great surprise when he made the attempt once more in 1379. Over the preceding two years Charles had succeeded in infiltrating the French court's kitchens with a pair of servants (8). Over the next two years the pair imbedded themselves among the servants of the court and, on getting the order from Charles of Navarre, proceeded with poisoning Charles V. During this time Queen Joanna de Bourbon, wife of Charles V had died, causing Charles immense grief. Already weakened by the loss of his wife and the stress of the Schism the fact that Charles V fell ill in mid-1379 came as no surprise to anyone. The subsequent collapse of his health left him barely any time to arrange his affairs. In response King Charles reached out to his brothers, Phillip II, Duc de Bourgogne, Louis I, Duc d'Anjou and Jean I, Duc de Berry as well as his wife's brother Louis II, Duc de Bourbon to take up the regency for his eleven-year old son Charles. On his deathbed he went on to abolish the hearth tax which served as the foundation of the government's finances, hoping to receive absolution for the misery the taxes had caused his subjects, before receiving extreme unction and dying soon after in September of 1379 (9).

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Charles "The Wise" V de Valois, King of France

The French Succession came in the midst of growing popular discontent in France where, much as in England three years prior, the people had grown exhausted with the extended and uncertain truces and broken promises of real peace. At the same time the people staggered under unpopular taxes and violent repression by the nobility. King Charles' deathbed promise to abolish the hearth tax lit a fire under this popular discontent, with loud demands for the abolition of the tax heard across the country. At the same time a deep religious uncertainty gripped the countryside with superstitious whispers that the King had been punished for supporting Pope Clement in the Schism by God. Meanwhile, in Paris the government found itself paralyzed as the uncles to the new king Charles VI scrambled for power. The Regency set up by Charles V was based around his hope that he would live long enough for his son to turn fourteen whereupon he would rule himself, thereby reducing the length of time the kingdom would be ruled by his uncles. The regency itself would be run by a Council of Twelve including all of the new king's uncles as well as the Marmousets, former advisors of King Charles V, and several noblemen of high standing including Bertrand de Guesclin, Enguerrand de Coucy and Olivier de Clisson. Louis, Duc d'Anjou held the title of Regent initially, after a short contest with Phillip the Bold, and used his position to seize the Treasury which he hoped to use to aid Joanna of Naples, from whom he was in negotiations to secure his right to succeed her (10), Phillip the Bold on the other hand wished to use the Regency to support his father-in-law Louis II Dampiere in Flanders against the growing discontent centered on Ghent while the Duc de Berry simply wished to return to Auvergne where he could continue building his collections, living indolently and spending the money of his subjects, while Bourbon largely proved to be a political nonentity and the remaining council members mostly pushed for further peace talks with England in the hopes of staving off an invasion while France was so weakened and divided. For the time being, negotiations with England continued, but on the issue of a continued truce, as the negotiations were nearing their deadline late in the year, the English proved themselves intransigent.

As news of Charles V's death arrived in England events took on a feverish pace. The planned double-wedding of the Navarre sisters went ahead, with the girls having arrived in England in early autumn and their marriages commencing soon afterward. In a lavish ceremony on the 26th of October, 1379 the nine-year old Joan of Navarre (11) married the fourteen-year old Edward, Prince of Wales while her sister Bonne of Navarre married Jean IV de Montfort, Duke of Brittany. Jean de Grailly, Earl of Bedford and Captal de Buch was married in a smaller ceremony in early November to Joan de la Warr. In the meantime England prepared everything for the coming conflict with France and the diplomatic team in Bruges were told to let the truce lapse.

Footnotes:
(1) The Papal election of 1378 is really something else. All of this is basically OTL.

(2) The cardinals really miscalculated this one. Urban VI is impressively querulous and he is only going to get worse from here on out.

(3) IOTL Charles of Navarre sent a similar proposal to Richard II, offering a marriage to his daughter and a joint attack on France, however he was betrayed by his Chamberlain who handed over Charles' two sons to their uncle, the King of France, when transporting them to Normandy where they were to prepare the region for war. Charles V proceeded to use their claim to Charles of Navarre's Norman lands against their father, tasking Coucy with taking the lands in his first major commission on behalf of the French royal family after cutting ties with England. Everything eventually collapsed on Charles of Navarre, who died after losing control of the vast majority of his lands. His sons were raised at the French court and he lost all control of his successors who would eventually trade their French lands away. ITTL there is less of a reason to send the two boys north to safety when the English retain so much land in Aquitaine. The Chamberlain is therefore never sent and does not get the opportunity to betray his lord. He is eventually removed from his position after Charles begins to suspect his political persuasions.

(4) This is as IOTL. The Western Schism is really interesting in its social and political impacts across Europe at this time and further into the future. It turned Christians against each other and turned the church from a bastion of central authority into the worst warmongers in Europe, constantly calling on their supporters to attack the other.

(5) Both of these end up differently positioned on the matter of the Schism ITTL due to the butterflies that have hit by this point in time. Navarre is important for now, Portugal will get its time later on.

(6) She was unmarried in OTL for some reason I haven't been able to discover. She therefore replaces her sister in the marriage to Jean de Montfort due to his advanced age and inability to wait for Joan of Navarre to mature.

(7) Joan de la Warr married the Baron of West IOTL and was the link that joined the two families together IOTL and led to the Wests being Barons la Warr later on as well.

(8) Charles attempted something like this at around the time he reached out to Richard II IOTL, however this time the Chamberlain isn't there to betray the poisoners to Charles V, and as such they succeed in their task.

(9) This is mostly identical to Charles death IOTL, it just happens a year early and without the empty abscess warning him of his coming death. The poisoning goes undetected and the servants escape to Navarre where Charles puts them to death to ensure secrecy.

(10) IOTL he had time to gain his claim to Naples before his brother died, not so this time around. Louis will have a far longer trip before he gets a chance at Naples ITTL.

(11) IOTL she was the one to marry Jean de Montfort who she proceeded to give nine children. She then married Henry IV of England and built a very close relationship with her step-son Henry V. She went on to serve as regent for Henry V when he went to France.
 
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