The Anglo/American - Nazi War

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In 1954 what was the status of the Kreigsmarine?
From post 100 in this thread

The surface fleet, with the exception of one cruiser action in the Eastern Mediterranean had not been battle tested but was of considerable size with three large carriers, two light carriers, seven 45,000 ton battleships, two Bismarck class BB, two BC, 6 armored cruisers (a unique German design, also known as panzershciffs), 16 CA, 14 CL, 58 DD and 38 frigates on the rolls. It was however, a fleet of two parts, with a fleet in the Black Sea consisting of 2 45,000 BB, 2 CVL, 5 CA, 5 CL, 15 DD, and 21 FF with the rest of the fleet in the Baltic Sea.
 
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That actually raises an interesting point. My understanding is that the Battle of the Barents Sea was butterflied by the earlier defeat of the USSR because Lend Lease stopped.

What would have happened if the same basic thing had happened earlier. Hitler orders a sortie by the surface Kriegsmarine against a PQ, maybe in response to the allies surging aid as the USSR collapses, and they get ROFLstomped so he loses faith in the surface force.

What, in your estimation as author, would have happened if all those resources had gone into producing u-boats and going all-out in trying to strangle Britain?
 

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That actually raises an interesting point. My understanding is that the Battle of the Barents Sea was butterflied by the earlier defeat of the USSR because Lend Lease stopped.

What would have happened if the same basic thing had happened earlier. Hitler orders a sortie by the surface Kriegsmarine against a PQ, maybe in response to the allies surging aid as the USSR collapses, and they get ROFLstomped so he loses faith in the surface force.

What, in your estimation as author, would have happened if all those resources had gone into producing u-boats and going all-out in trying to strangle Britain?

It would have failed.

By the time of the POD the WAllies had broken Enigma, with Bell Labs having built on the efforts of Betchley Park to the point that by mid 1943, a three rotor message could be broken in around ten minutes i.e. "real-time" (four rotor took considerable more time, but were still producing readily actionable decrypts). ATL these sort of efforts continued in both the U.S. and UK, both as a combined effort and independently. The "bombes" that resulted were, as IOTL, the first true electronic computers and they proved to be easier to modify when the KM added rotors or made other changes than the Enigma machines themselves. I chose to keep the KM's blissful ignorance regarding Enigma intact, mostly because OTL post war interrogations of numerous KM cryptologists made it clear that, while they understood that the machine could be defeated in theory, they also believed that, as a practical matter no opponent would devote the enormous resources necessary to complete the task.
 

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A sequel is currently in the works, with another work following that.
I believe he is working on a prequel for the Warm War period:

Yep. The Warm War will cover the ETO/Med/ME starting from the base POD from OTL up to the start of AANW.

Research and outlining is in progress.

EDIT: He also did this ISOT of the AANW universe to the 'present time' in this thread:

https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/an-anglo-american-nazi-war-isot.354596/
 
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Sulemain

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It would have failed.

By the time of the POD the WAllies had broken Enigma, with Bell Labs having built on the efforts of Betchley Park to the point that by mid 1943, a three rotor message could be broken in around ten minutes i.e. "real-time" (four rotor took considerable more time, but were still producing readily actionable decrypts). ATL these sort of efforts continued in both the U.S. and UK, both as a combined effort and independently. The "bombes" that resulted were, as IOTL, the first true electronic computers and they proved to be easier to modify when the KM added rotors or made other changes than the Enigma machines themselves. I chose to keep the KM's blissful ignorance regarding Enigma intact, mostly because OTL post war interrogations of numerous KM cryptologists made it clear that, while they understood that the machine could be defeated in theory, they also believed that, as a practical matter no opponent would devote the enormous resources necessary to complete the task.

Which is a concept which I think illustrates just why Germany lost the war; they severely over-estimated how little of war is decided on the battlefield.
 
To be brutally fair, they were probably helped that from 1939 to 1944 the chief of the Abwehr (their military intelligence if I understand correctly) was deliberately trying to lose the war.
 
The A4 hasn't tried to destroy Germany's national identity, they HAVE destroyed the German state. Germany will, probably, never be allowed to reform as a single state. The A4 couldn't care less about the German Identity, they can identify to their heart's content. Doesn't matter. A4 simply doesn't care. As long as there is no German state, and as long as the A4 controls the peace-keeping forces, its all good.
But keeping Germany divided would be much easier if the Germans thought of themselves as Saxon, Bavarian, Plattdüütsch, etc. instead of Germans.
 

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What happened to Walther Wenck ITTL?
As was the case with the overwhelming majority of Heer high ranked officers, he was "honorably retired" as the Waffen SS assumed control of what had been the Heer. Since he was not seen as being particularly devote to the National Socialist cause, he was given a large land grant in the East. His was in what had once been the Western Ukraine, and, like a number of senior Heer officers was seen as being too soft on his Slav serfs. He died in a RAF airstrike on one of the "reserve army" formations that were activated in an attempt to check the WAllied advance in the East.
 
If the A4 somehow developed the technology to travel to parallel Earths, what would they use it for? Would they use it to invade and conquer as many Germany-wank worlds?
 
If the A4 somehow developed the technology to travel to parallel Earths, what would they use it for? Would they use it to invade and conquer as many Germany-wank worlds?
Realistically the same as an other industrialized states would, find Virgin Earth's, or those inhabited by say Neolithic era humans or earlier and get at all those untapped resources
 
Realistically the same as an other industrialized states would, find Virgin Earth's, or those inhabited by say Neolithic era humans or earlier and get at all those untapped resources
But we can agree that the A4's SOP when dealing with worlds which contain superpower!Germany (or at least great power!Germany) would be to invade such a world due to their world view?
 
I'm starting to think we should have a sticky thread in the ASB section for all these ASB ideas that are popping up with Calbear's AANW verse.
 
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