The Alternate Cabinets Thread

[Gorrister]

The Cabinet, as composed under the Ministry of The Rt. Hon. David Steel, MP, November 1984)

Prime Minister, First Lord of the Treasury, Minister for the Civil Service and leader of the Liberal Party - The Rt. Hon. David Steel, MP
First Secretary of State, Chancellor of the Exchequer, and Second Lord of the Treasury - The Rt. Hon. Roy Jenkins, MP
Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs - The Rt. Hon. David Owen, MP
Secretary of State for the Home Department - The Rt. Hon. David Penhaligon, MP
Secretary of State for Agriculture, Fisheries, and Food - The Rt. Hon. Shirley Williams, MP
Lord Chancellor and Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster - Baroness Seear
Secretary of State for Trade and Industry - The Rt. Hon. Norman St. John Stevas, MP
Secretary of State for Transport - The Rt. Hon. Menzies Campbell, MP
Secretary of State for Education and Science - The Rt. Hon. Rosie Barnes, MP
Secretary of State for Scotland - The Rt. Hon. Russell Johnston, MP
Secretary of State for Health - The Rt. Hon. David Alton, MP
Secretary of State for Energy - The Rt. Hon. Bill Rodgers, MP
Secretary of State for Wales - The Rt. Hon. Gwynoro Jones, MP
Chief Secretary to the Treasury - The Rt. Hon. Simon Hughes, MP
Secretary of State for Northern Ireland - The Rt. Hon. Christopher Brockleback-Fowler, MP
Liberal Chief Whip - The Rt. Hon. Alan Beith, MP

 

[Politibrit]

The Cabinet, as composed under the Ministry of The Rt. Hon. David Steel, MP, November 1984)

Prime Minister, First Lord of the Treasury, Minister for the Civil Service and leader of the Liberal Party - The Rt. Hon. David Steel, MP
First Secretary of State, Chancellor of the Exchequer, and Second Lord of the Treasury - The Rt. Hon. Roy Jenkins, MP
Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs - The Rt. Hon. David Owen, MP
Secretary of State for the Home Department - The Rt. Hon. David Penhaligon, MP
Secretary of State for Agriculture, Fisheries, and Food - The Rt. Hon. Shirley Williams, MP
Lord Chancellor and Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster - Baroness Seear
Secretary of State for Trade and Industry - The Rt. Hon. Norman St. John Stevas, MP
Secretary of State for Transport - The Rt. Hon. Menzies Campbell, MP
Secretary of State for Education and Science - The Rt. Hon. Rosie Barnes, MP
Secretary of State for Scotland - The Rt. Hon. Russell Johnston, MP
Secretary of State for Health - The Rt. Hon. David Alton, MP
Secretary of State for Energy - The Rt. Hon. Bill Rodgers, MP
Secretary of State for Wales - The Rt. Hon. Gwynoro Jones, MP
Chief Secretary to the Treasury - The Rt. Hon. Simon Hughes, MP
Secretary of State for Northern Ireland - The Rt. Hon. Christopher Brockleback-Fowler, MP
Liberal Chief Whip - The Rt. Hon. Alan Beith, MP

Why is Steel in charge? In OTL Jenkins was PM Designate.

 

[Gorrister]

Why is Steel in charge? In OTL Jenkins was PM Designate.

This is partly based on Iainbhx's excellent 1984 Generel Election TLIA, which does have Steel head to the palace.

I'm not too keened in on the inner machinations of the Alliance, but it's well explained there.

 

[Jonathan]

John McCain is able to win the 2008 Presidential Election, by beating Hillary Clinton

President: John Sidney McCain III (2009-2013)
Vice President: Sarah Palin (2009-2013)
Secretary of State: Paul Cellucci (2009-2011) Resigned due to being diagnosed with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. He died from complications of the disease two years later.
Secretary of State: Jon Huntsman, Jr. (2011-2013)
Secretary of Treasury: Robert Zoellick (2009-2013)
Secretary of Defense: Robert Gates (2009-2013) Carried on from George W. Bush's term serving 2225 days in office.
Attorney General: Warren Rudman (2009-2012)
Attorney General: Rafael Edward "Ted" Cruz (2012-2013)
Secretary of the Interior: Fred Thompson (2009-2013)
Secretary of Agriculture: Mike Huckabee (2009-2013)
Secretary of Commerce: Robert Mosbacher (2009-2013)
Secretary of Labor: George Argyros (2009-2013)
Secretary of Health and Human Services: Steven Preston (2009-2013) Carried on from George W. Bush's term.
Secretary of Education: Jill Hazelbaker (2009-2013)
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Rudy Giuliani (2009-2013)
Secretary of Transportation: Tim Pawlenty (2009-2013)
Secretary of Energy: Tom Loeffler (2009-2013)
Secretary of Veterans Affairs: Daniel J. Evans (2009-2013)
Secretary of Homeland Security: Joe Lieberman (2009-2013)

Director of the Office of Management and Budget: Anne Osborn Krueger (2009-2013)
Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency: Samuel Bodman (2009-2013)
Chief of Staff: Richard H. "Rick" Davis, Jr. (2009-2013)

 

[Indicus]

John McCain is able to win the 2008 Presidential Election,

What? The incumbent party wins 2008?

Vice President: Sarah Palin (2009-2013)

She likely wouldn't be chosen in the case of Hillary Clinton being the Democratic nominee.

 

[Jonathan]

What? The incumbent party wins 2008?

Yer, but only by a small majority.

She likely wouldn't be chosen in the case of Hillary Clinton being the Democratic nominee.

Palin is used, so that Hilary can't use the "I'm a woman" vote

 

[Indicus]

Yer, but only by a small majority.

That's literally impossible. Even if the opposite party nominated a goat, the goat would have won. It's just the nature of 2008, that the incumbent cannot win unless the underlying conditions are altered.

 

[Jonathan]

That's literally impossible. Even if the opposite party nominated a goat, the goat would have won. It's just the nature of 2008, that the incumbent cannot win unless the underlying conditions are altered.

I don't think any election is a given, nothing is written in stone.

 

[Indicus]

I don't think any election is a given, nothing is written in stone.

It's not, but if you keep the domestic situation as horrendous as it was in OTL 2008, and McCain as crappy of a candidate as OTL, I really don't see how he can win.

 

[Gorrister]

Unrealistic, I kn0.

Prime Minister, First Lord of the Treasury, and Leader of the Labour Party - The Rt. Hon. Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Deputy Prime Minister, Deputy Leader of the Labour Party, and Secretary of State for Industrial Relations - The Rt. Hon. Tom Watson, MP
Chancellor of the Exchequer and Second Lord of the Treasury - The Rt. Hon. John McDonnell, MP
Secretary of State for Economic Affairs - The Rt. Hon. Yanis Varoufakis, The Baron Varoufakis
Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs - The Rt. Hon. John Cryer, MP
Secretary of State for the Home Department - The Rt. Hon. Clive Lewis, MP
Secretary of State for Defence - The Rt. Hon. Emily Thornberry, MP
Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice - The Rt. Hon. David Davis, MP
Secretary of State for Health - The Rt. Hon. Rosena Allin-Khan, MP
Secretary of State for Work and Pensions - The Rt. Hon. Chris Williamson, MP
Secretary of State for Renationalization of Public Utilities - The Rt. Hon. Ian Lavery, MP
Secretary of State for Transport - The Rt. Hon. Jon Trickett, MP
Secretary of State for Scotland - The Rt. Hon. Neil Findlay, MP/MSP
Secretary of State for Wales - The Rt. Hon. Nia Griffiths, MP
Secretary of State for Education - The Rt. Hon. Robin Campbell, The Baron Campbell-of-UB40
Secretary of State for Northern Ireland - The Rt. Hon. Diane Abbott, MP
Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs - The Rt. Hon. Jon Ashworth, MP
Secretary of State for International Development - The Rt. Hon. Dan Jarvis, MP
Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change - The Rt. Hon. Edward Miliband, MP
Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport - The Rt. Hon. Maria Eagle, MP
Chief Secretary to the Treasury - The Rt. Hon. Lucy Powell, MP

 

[Gorrister]

Paddy Ashdown's cabinet in my little TL.

Brief update on Paddy's inaugural cabinet. Obviously there's been a little shift from the ShadCab.

Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, First Lord of the Treasury, Minister for the Civil Service, and Leader of the Labour Party - The Rt. Hon. Paddy Ashdown, MP
Deputy Prime Minister, Deputy Leader of the Labour Party and Secretary of State for Transport - The Rt. Hon. John Prescott, MP
Chancellor of the Exchequer and Second Lord of the Treasury - The Rt. Hon. Jack Straw, MP
Secretary of State for the Home Department - The Rt. Hon. Cherie Blair, MP
Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs - The Rt. Hon. Margaret Beckett, MP
Secretary of State for Defence - The Rt. Hon. Robin Cook, MP
Secretary of State for Trade and Industry and President of the Board of Trade - The Rt. Hon. Jack Cunningham, MP
Secretary of State for Health - The Rt. Hon. Frank Dobson, MP
Secretary of State for National Heritage - The Rt. Hon. Chris Smith, MP
Secretary of State for Scotland - The Rt. Hon. Mike Watson, MP [21]
Secretary of State for Wales - The Rt. Hon. Rhodri Morgan, MP
Secretary of State for Social Security - The Rt. Hon. Donald Dewar, MP
Secretary of State for Employment - The Rt. Hon. David Blunkett, MP
Leader of the House of Commons - The Rt. Hon. Hilary Armstrong, MP
Secretary of State for Northern Ireland - The Rt. Hon. Mo Mowlam, MP
Secretary of State for the Environment - The Rt. Hon. Michael Meacher, MP
Secretary of State for Education - The Rt. Hon. George Robertson, MP
Minister for Overseas Development - The Rt. Hon. Harriet Harman, MP
Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food - The Rt. Hon. Gavin Strang, MP
Chief Secretary to the Treasury and Minister of State for Women - The Rt. Hon. Tessa Jowell, MP

Notable Ministers of State:
Minister of State for Education - The Rt. Hon. Bryan Davies, MP [22]
Minister of State for Asylum and Immigration - The Rt. Hon. Jack Dromey, MP [23]




[21]: Fends off a challenge from Mohammed Sarwar TTL.
[22]: Selected at Oldham West and Royton. Meacher still stays in parliament, but as the Member for Sedgefield, replacing the retiring Les Huckfield.
[23]: Pontefract and Castleford MP instead of Yvette Cooper. Cooper's selection was quite narrow, and without Brown's influence, she just barely misses the mark.

 

[Jonathan]

Alternative Voting is passed in the United Kingdom Alternative Vote referendum, 2011 causing David Cameron to pass the "Electoral Reform Act" of 2012. with 12.7% of the Votes, UKIP was the best party to form a coalition with meaning the overall total of the Government was 49.5.

Following a second general election, unable to have his party elected with a majority, David Cameron stepped down as Conservative Leader.

Conservative-UKIP coalition 2015-2020
Prime Minister: Boris Johnson (Conservative) Boris Johnson (Conservative)
Deputy Prime Minister: Douglas Carswell (UKIP)
Chancellor of the Exchequer: David Davis (Conservative)
Home Secretary: Michael Gove (Conservative)
Foreign Secretary: Nigel Farage (UKIP)
Secretary for Exiting the EU: Nigel
Lord Chancellor: Liam Fox (Conservative)
Defence Secretary: Bob Stewart (Conservative)

Leader of the House of Commons: Chris Grayling (Conservative)
Deputy Leader of the House of Commons: Paul Nuttal (UKIP)
Leader of the House of Lords: William Legge, 10th Earl of Dartmouth (UKIP)
Deputy Leader of the House of Lords: Baron Wolfson of Aspley Guise (Conservative)
Environment & Agriculture Secretary: Andrea Leadsom (Conservative)
Employment Secretary: B (Conservative)
International Development Secretary: D (Conservative)
International Trade Secretary: Mark Reckless (UKIP)
Local Trade & Industry Secretary: Mo Mowlam (Lab)
Local Government Secretary: Jacob Rees-Mogg (Conservatives)
Education Secretary: Priti Patel (Conservative)
Health Secretary: Graham Brady (Conservative)
Transport Secretary: Zac Goldsmith (Conservative)
Northern Ireland Secretary: Jo Johnson (Conservative)
Scottish Secretary: David Coburn (UKIP)
Welsh Secretary: (Conservative)
Paymaster General: Suzanne Evans (UKIP)
Chief Secretary to the Treasury: Diane James (UKIP)
Chief Secretary to the Foreign Office: Iain Duncan Smith (Conservative)
Chief Secretary for Exiting the EU: Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Chief Whip: Boris Johnson (Conservative)
Deputy Whip: Douglas Carswell (UKIP)

 

[Gorrister]

Umm...

leaving aside all the other issues, Mo Mowlam had been dead for about ten years at that point.

 

[Politibrit]

Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice - The Rt. Hon. David Davis, MP

Care to elaborate?

Alternative Voting is passed in the United Kingdom Alternative Vote referendum, 2011 causing David Cameron to pass the "Electoral Reform Act" of 2012. with 12.7% of the Votes, UKIP was the best party to form a coalition with meaning the overall total of the Government was 49.5.

Following a second general election, unable to have his party elected with a majority, David Cameron stepped down as Conservative Leader.

Conservative-UKIP coalition 2015-2020
Prime Minister: Boris Johnson (Conservative) Boris Johnson (Conservative)
Deputy Prime Minister: Douglas Carswell (UKIP)
Chancellor of the Exchequer: David Davis (Conservative)
Home Secretary: Michael Gove (Conservative)
Foreign Secretary: Nigel Farage (UKIP)
Secretary for Exiting the EU: Nigel
Lord Chancellor: Liam Fox (Conservative)
Defence Secretary: Bob Stewart (Conservative)

Leader of the House of Commons: Chris Grayling (Conservative)
Deputy Leader of the House of Commons: Paul Nuttal (UKIP)
Leader of the House of Lords: William Legge, 10th Earl of Dartmouth (UKIP)
Deputy Leader of the House of Lords: Baron Wolfson of Aspley Guise (Conservative)
Environment & Agriculture Secretary: Andrea Leadsom (Conservative)
Employment Secretary: B (Conservative)
International Development Secretary: D (Conservative)
International Trade Secretary: Mark Reckless (UKIP)
Local Trade & Industry Secretary: Mo Mowlam (Lab)
Local Government Secretary: Jacob Rees-Mogg (Conservatives)
Education Secretary: Priti Patel (Conservative)
Health Secretary: Graham Brady (Conservative)
Transport Secretary: Zac Goldsmith (Conservative)
Northern Ireland Secretary: Jo Johnson (Conservative)
Scottish Secretary: David Coburn (UKIP)
Welsh Secretary: (Conservative)
Paymaster General: Suzanne Evans (UKIP)
Chief Secretary to the Treasury: Diane James (UKIP)
Chief Secretary to the Foreign Office: Iain Duncan Smith (Conservative)
Chief Secretary for Exiting the EU: Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Chief Whip: Boris Johnson (Conservative)
Deputy Whip: Douglas Carswell (UKIP)

UKIP would have still won only a single MP under AV according to the ERS, maybe they were out by an MP or two, but I doubt they would have as many MPs as they have in the cabinet in this situation, and even if they did, some of their more high profile candidates were running in seats where they had no hope of winning, like David Coburn or Paul Nuttall. You would probably need proper PR to get this kind of cabinet.

 

[Gorrister]

Care to elaborate?

I shall deliver my explanation thusly:

oops

 

[Jonathan]

UKIP would have still won only a single MP under AV according to the ERS, maybe they were out by an MP or two, but I doubt they would have as many MPs as they have in the cabinet in this situation, and even if they did, some of their more high profile candidates were running in seats where they had no hope of winning, like David Coburn or Paul Nuttall. You would probably need proper PR to get this kind of cabinet.

In 2015 election, UKIP came in second place in 120 constituencies, so with AV, Euroscept Labour and Conservatives would have chosen UKIP as their second vote, boosting the vote for Nigel and his gang. With the AV reforms, candidates like David Coburn or Paul Nuttall, stand in "easier" constituencies than OTL.

 

[Politibrit]

In 2015 election, UKIP came in second place in 120 constituencies, so with AV, Euroscept Labour and Conservatives would have chosen UKIP as their second vote, boosting the vote for Nigel and his gang. With the AV reforms, candidates like David Coburn or Paul Nuttall, stand in "easier" constituencies than OTL.

The vast majority of those second places were quite distant, with gaps of 20% or more. In many of them, the victor took over 50% of the vote, or near enough for a second round to be a formality. Secondly, I think you overestimate the broadness of UKIP's appeal. Most people did not like them. If the public were told Farage supported something, it made them less likely to agree with it in polling. Not only that, but roughly two thirds of Labour voters did not want to leave the EU, so you can effectively rule out most of them giving their second preferences to UKIP, and the same could be said for many middle class Tory voters. Smaller parties on the margins like UKIP are not generally beneficiaries of AV. Just take a look in Australia, where the Greens won just over 10% of the vote, only took one seat. Granted, there are 150 seats in the Australian parliament versus 650 in Westminster, but even if we upscale that UKIP could not expect much more than half a dozen seats if we were being optimistic and decided to go against the ERS's prediction. Also, I doubt there is a winnable seat for Coburn in Scotland, which is surely where he would have to run given that he is the leader of the party up there and you have him as Scottish secretary.

 

[Inherit The Wind]

Hillary Clinton's Cabinet, 2016
Secretary of State: Wendy Sherman
Secretary of Treasury: Sheryl Sandberg
Secretary of Defense: Michele Flournoy
Attorney General: Tom Perez
Secretary of the Interior: Dave Freudenthal
Secretary of Agriculture: Karen Ross
Secretary of Commerce: Meg Whitman
Secretary of Labor: Jennifer Granholm
Secretary of Health and Human Services: Steve Beshear
Secretary of Education: John King
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Christine Quinn
Secretary of Transportation: Michael Nutter
Secretary of Energy: Carol Browner
Secretary of Veterans Affairs: Sloan Gibson
Secretary of Homeland Security: Martin O'Malley
Chief of Staff: Cheryl Mills​

 

[Marthabutt]

Hillary Clinton's Cabinet, 2016
Secretary of State: Wendy Sherman
Secretary of Treasury: Sheryl Sandberg
Secretary of Defense: Michele Flournoy
Attorney General: Tom Perez
Secretary of the Interior: Dave Freudenthal
Secretary of Agriculture: Karen Ross
Secretary of Commerce: Meg Whitman
Secretary of Labor: Jennifer Granholm
Secretary of Health and Human Services: Steve Beshear
Secretary of Education: John King
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Christine Quinn
Secretary of Transportation: Michael Nutter
Secretary of Energy: Carol Browner
Secretary of Veterans Affairs: Sloan Gibson
Secretary of Homeland Security: Martin O'Malley
Chief of Staff: Cheryl Mills​

Overall I like this,but why Meg Whitman for Secretary of Commerce? Also why not John Podesta for Chief of Staff?

 

[Pragmatic Progressive]

A mad idea developed during a drunken night at a pub quiz.


Zeus Cabinet of Olympic Greece:

Prime Minister and First Lord of the Treasury: Zeus (Conservative)
Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs: Athena (Liberal)
Secretary of State for the Home Department, Education and Justice: Apollo (Liberal)
Minister of State for Police, Crime, Criminal Justice and Victims: Dike (Liberal)
Secretary of State for Defense: Ares (Conservative)
Secretary of State for Education, Minister for Women and Equalities: Hera (Conservative)
Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government: Aphrodite (Liberal)
Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Local Growth: Eros (Liberal)
Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs: Demeter (Conservative)
Secretary of State for Pensions: Hades (Conservative)
Minister of State for Agriculture, Small Business, Children and Families: Artemis (Liberal)
Secretary of State for Energy, Climate Change and International Development: Poseidon (Labour)
Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport: Dionysus (Labour)
Secretary of State for Work, Business, Innovation and Skills; President of the Board of Trade: Hephaestus (Labour)
Chancellor of the Exchequer and Secretary of State for Transport: Hermes (Liberal)
Secretary of State for Health: Asclepios (Labour)
Minister of State for Community and Social Care: Hestia (Conservative)
Secretaries of State for the City-States: the Nesoi council (Labour)
Leader of the House of Commons: Aether (Conservative)


Jupiter Administration of the Roman Republic:

President: Jupiter (Republican)
Vice-President: Juno (Republican)
Secretary of State, Housing and Urban Development: Minerva (Democrat)
Secretary of Education: Apollon (Democrat)
Attorney General: Fortuna (Democrat)
Secretary of Health and Human Services: Venus (Democrat)
Secretary of Defense: Mars (Republican)
Secretary of the Navy and Energy: Neptune (Democrat)
Chief of Staff: Bellona (Republican)
Secretary of the Interior: Vesta (Democrat)
Secretary of Homeland Security: Janus (Republican)
Secretary of Agriculture: Ceres (Democrat)
Secretary of Labor: Vulcanus (Republican)
Secertary of Transportation: Mercury (Republican)
Secertary of Commerce: Plutus (Republican)
Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agendy: Flora (Democrat)
Ambassador to the United Nations: Pluto (Republican)
United States Trade Representative: Dea Dia (Republican)

How did you get to the party affiliations of different gods here?