The Alternate Cabinets Thread

Yes

Yes

From the same universe as my 1979 Labour Cabinet just up the page, here's its predecessor the Disco!Thatcher ministry, birthed early and in the immediate wake of her takeover of the leadership.

In Before Time: Thatcherism in the Seventies

Prime Minister, First Lord of the Treasury, and Minister for Civil Service: Margaret Thatcher
Parliamentary Secretary for the Civil Service Department: Rhodes Boyson
Lord Chancellor: Quintin Hogg, Lord Hailsham
Lord President of the Council and Leader of the House of Commons: Francis Pym
Lord Privy Seal and Leader of the House of Lords: Reginald Maudling, Lord Barnet (a peer in the '75 New Year list; until 1978, succeeded by George Jellicoe, The Earl Jellicoe)
First Secretary of State and Home Secretary: William Whitelaw
Ministers of State for Home Affairs: Kenneth Baker, Julian Amery
Chancellor of the Exchequer: Sir Keith Joseph (someone doesn't make a certain unfortunate speech in 1974, but Thatcher still steals a march in the leadership election)
Chief Secretary to the Treasury: John Biffen
Foreign Secretary: Peter Carington, Lord Carrington
Secretary of State For Defence: Airey Neave (until 1977, succeeded by Michael Heseltine)
Minister of State for Defence: Alan Clark
Secretary of State for Trade and Industry: Sir Geoffrey Howe
Secretary of State for Employment: Norman Tebbit
Secretary of State for Health and Social Services: Leon Brittan
Secretary of State for Agriculture, Fisheries, and Food: Jim Prior
Secretary of State for Environment: Michael Heseltine (until 1977, succeeded by Patrick Jenkin)
Secretary of State for Energy: John Nott
Secretary of State for Transport: Nicholas Ridley
Secretary of State for Education and Science: Norman St. John-Stevas
Secretary of State for Scotland: George Younger
Secretary of State for Wales: Peter Thomas
Secretary of State for Northern Ireland: Sir Ian Gilmour (until 1977, succeeded by Airey Neave)
Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster: Cecil Parkinson
Secretary of State for Local Government and Planning: Peter Walker
Secretary of State for Overseas Development: Maurice Macmillan
Attorney General: Sir Michael Havers
Paymaster General: Paul Channon

A government finely balanced between wets and dries, I like to think.
 

Usili

The idea on this admittedly sort of deals with that of both no Donna Rice scandal and the S&L Crisis breaking out earlier (which is a reason for a lack of a John Glenn as VP). This is primarily consisting of those in terms of what would make up the cabinet.

President: Gary Hart
Vice-President: James J. Blanchard
Secretary of State: H. Lee Hamilton
Secretary of the Treasury: Felix Rohatyn
Secretary of Defense: Sam Nunn
Attorney General: Walter Mondale
Secretary of the Interior: Richard Lamm
Secretary of Agriculture: Dan Glickman
Secretary of Commerce: Dick Celeste
Secretary of Labor: Henry G. Cisneros
Secretary of Health and Human Services: Karen Davis
Secretary of Education: John Brademas
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Ernest N. Morial
Secretary of Transportation: Michael J. Dukakis
Secretary of Energy: John Dingell
Secretary of Veteran Affairs: Jesse Brown
Director of Central Intelligence: Bruce Babbitt

I'd imagine other prominent components of what would make up Hart's staff in the West Wing:

Chief of Staff: Bill Dixon
Deputy Chief of Staff: Paul Tully
Special Assistant to the President: Sidney Gruson
White House Counsel: Hal Haddon
National Security Adviser: Doug Wilson

Some of them might be a bit off considering the difficulties in trying to figure out where the cabinet postings might wind up as.
 
HaroldGodwinson

HaroldGodwinson

Cabinet of President Ted Cruz

President of the United State: Ted Cruz
Vice President of the United State: Marco Rubio
Secretary of State: Rick Santorum
Secretary of the Treasury: Jeb Hensarling
Secretary of Defense: Duncan L. Hunter
Attorney General: Jeff Sessions
Secretary of the Interior: Sarah Palin
Secretary of Agriculture: Tim Huelskamp
Secretary of Commerce: Carly Fiorina
Secretary of Labor: Ken Blackwell
Secretary of Health & Human Services: Bobby Jindal
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Ben Carson
Secretary of Transportation: Elaine Chao
Secretary of Energy: Rick Perry
Secretary of Education: Betsy DeVos
Secretary of Veteran's Affairs: Allen West
Secretary of Homeland Secretary: Thomas Homan
OMB Director: Mick Mulvaney
Trade Representative: Robert Lighthozer
White House Chief of Staff: Jim DeMint
EPA Administrator: Scott Pruitt
SBA Administrator: Reince Preibus
 
Yes

Yes

HaroldGodwinson said:
Cabinet of President Ted Cruz

President of the United State: Ted Cruz
Vice President of the United State: Marco Rubio
Secretary of State: Rick Santorum
Secretary of the Treasury: Jeb Hensarling
Secretary of Defense: Duncan L. Hunter
Attorney General: Jeff Sessions
Secretary of the Interior: Sarah Palin
Secretary of Agriculture: Tim Huelskamp
Secretary of Commerce: Carly Fiorina
Secretary of Labor: Ken Blackwell
Secretary of Health & Human Services: Bobby Jindal
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Ben Carson
Secretary of Transportation: Elaine Chao
Secretary of Energy: Rick Perry
Secretary of Education: Betsy DeVos
Secretary of Veteran's Affairs: Allen West
Secretary of Homeland Secretary: Thomas Homan
OMB Director: Mick Mulvaney
Trade Representative: Robert Lighthozer
White House Chief of Staff: Jim DeMint
EPA Administrator: Scott Pruitt
SBA Administrator: Reince Preibus
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*shudders uncontrollably*
 
Jonathan

Jonathan

A cabinets of Firsts and records

President: Bernie Sanders [1]
Vice President: Tulsi Gabbard [2]
Secretary of State: Keith Ellison [3]
Secretary of the Treasury: Gina Raimondo [4]
Secretary of Defense: Christine Fox [5]
[A and B]
Attorney General: Aníbal Acevedo Vilá [6]
Secretary of the Interior: Julian Castro [7]
Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack [8]
Secretary of Commerce: Stephen Wozniak [9]
Secretary of Labor: John W. Boyd Jr. [10]
Secretary of Health and Human Services: Eleanor Mariano [11]
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Paul G. Kirk [12]
Secretary of Transportation: Neil Goldschmidt [13]
Secretary of Energy: Jennifer Granholm [14]
Secretary of Education: Justin Chenette [15]
Secretary of Veterans Affairs: Coral Pietsch [16]
Secretary of Homeland Security: Tammy Smith

[1] First Jewish President, and oldest at 75. Although both Chester A. Arthur and Calvin Coolidge were born in Vermont, Sanders becomes the first president to call it his home state.
[2] First Female and first Hindu Vice President and at 35 years 9 months 8 days, Gabbard, becomes the youngest VP beating John C. Breckinridge, who gained office at the age of 36 years, 47 days.
[3] First Muslim Secretary of state
[4] First female Secretary of the Treasury
[5] First female Secretary of Defense
[A] Sander's cabinet becomes the first to have more women in the top five jobs of office {3 out of 5}.
Sander's cabinet becomes the first to have more non-Christians in the top five jobs of office {3 out of 5}.
[6] Vilá becomes the first Puerto Rican to become Attorney General and the first not born in a State of USA.
[7] Castro, served under Barack Obama as Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, he is the first Hispanic SotI
[8] Having served for 8 years under Barack Obama, Vilsack was offered the opportunity to serve at least another 4. Giving him 12 years in office. He is now the fourth longest serving Secretary in US history and is the first secretary since 1946 to hold this long in office.
[9] Wozniak as co-founded Apple Inc, becomes the first Commerce Secretary from the the silicon valley side of commerces.
[10] Boyd Jr. is the first person to work as a farmer for their adult life to become Secretary of Labor
[11] Rear Admiral Mariano became the first Filipino American and graduate of the Uniformed Services University of Medicine to become Secretary of Health, and she is the 6th Woman to serve as SHHS.
[12] Taking office at the age of 79 is on track as oldest Secretary
[13] Goldschmidt was left the office of Secretary of Transport 36 years ago after the defeat of Carter in 1981.
[14] Former Governor of Michigan, Granholm, becomes the first Secretary of Energy to be born outside of the United States
[15] At 25 Chenette, became the youngest and first openly-gay Secretary of a Cabinet department
[16] Previously Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for Veterans Claims from 2012, Pietsch becomes the first female and first of Asian-decent office holder.
[17] Major General Smith, becomes the highest ranking military personnel to hold the position of Secretary of Homeland Security. She is also (due to CHenette) the second openly-gay Secretary of a Cabinet department.
 
Yes

Yes

Just a little confection. Things go differently (or are differently arranged) in some state-level races in Texas in 1990 and in Mississippi in '91, and a different smiling, Southern reformer arrives at the White House in January 1993.

Cabinet of the President of the United States
President: Raymond E. “Ray” Mabus Jr.
Vice President: Henry Cisneros
Secretary of State: Joseph “Joe” Biden
Secretary of the Treasury: Ann Richards
Secretary of Defense: David Aaron
Attorney General: Reubin Askew
Secretary of the Interior: Roy Romer
Secretary of Agriculture: James “Jim” Hightower
Secretary of Commerce: Paul Kirk
Secretary of Labor: Richard Trumka
Secretary of Health and Human Services: Elizabeth Holtzman
Secretary of Education: Donna Shalala
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Harvey Gantt
Secretary of Transportation: Michael Dukakis
Secretary of Veterans’ Affairs: James “Jim” Webb
Secretary of Energy: Federico Pena

Cabinet-rank officials
Director of Central Intelligence: Lee Hamilton
Ambassador to the United Nations: Paul Warnke
Director of the Office of Management and Budget: Nancy Pelosi
United States Trade Representative: Anne Wexler
Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers: Robert Reich
United States Trade Representative: Anne Wexler

Assorted West Wingers
White House Counsel: Warren Christopher
National Security Adviser: Anthony Lake
White House Chief of Staff: Richard “Dick” Molpus
White House Deputy Chief of Staff: John Podesta
White House Communications Director: Hodding Carter
 
Yes

Yes

Because @shiftygiant deserves nice things too :)...

A Damned Close-Run Thing: The Kinnock Government 1992-2000

Prime Minister, First Lord of the Treasury, and Minister for Civil Service: Neil Kinnock
Parliamentary Secretary for the Civil Service Department: Jack Straw
Lord Chancellor: Lord Owen of Plymouth
Lord Privy Seal and Leader of the House of Lords: Lord Cledwyn of Penrhos (until 1997, replaced by Lord Hattersley of Sparkbrook)
Deputy Prime Minister, Lord President of the Council and Leader of the House of Commons: Jeremy "Paddy" Ashdown
First Secretary and Home Secretary: Roy Hattersley (until 1997 then Tony Blair)
Ministers of State for Home Affairs: Donald Dewar, Jo Richardson
Chancellor of the Exchequer: John Smith
Chief Secretary to the Treasury: Alan Beith
Foreign Secretary: Menzies Campbell
Secretary of State for Defence: Gerald Kaufman (until 1997 then George Robertson)
Minister of State for Defence: George Robertson (until 1997 then Mo Mowland)
Secretary of State for Trade and Industry: Gordon Brown
Secretary of State for Employment: Tony Blair (until 1997 then Joan Lestor)
Secretary of State for Health: Robin Cook
Secretary of State for Social Security: Michael Meacher
Secretary of State for Agriculture, Fisheries, and Food: David Clark
Secretary of State for Transport: John Prescott
Secretary of State for Environment: Baroness Williams (until 1997 then Ann Taylor)
Secretary of State for Energy: Martin O'Neill
Secretary of State for Education and Science: Margaret Beckett
Secretary of State for Scotland: Charles Kennedy
Secretary of State for Wales: Ann Clwyd
Secretary of State for Northern Ireland: Kevin McNamara (until 1997, then Donald Dewar)
Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster: Peter Mandelson
Secretary of State for Overseas Development: Vince Cable (someone wins a seat ITTL)
Attorney General: John Morris
Paymaster General: Geoffrey Robinson

 
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V-J said:
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They reeeeeeeeeeeally had to have the Lib Dem seats in order to form a government and Doctor O went and Made A Face about not going into government without getting something out of it, and no ministries wanted to have to deal with him, and even though his academic training is medicine not law he'd been in the legislative business some years at that point and there was no way a huge Labour plurality was just going to let a member of the Gang of Four be Leader of the House of Lords. David Steel spent the Nineties seething moderately in the cloakroom before becoming Scotland's first First Minister and telling Lord Owen precisely what he could put up his jacksey.
 
V-J

V-J

Yes said:
They reeeeeeeeeeeally had to have the Lib Dem seats in order to form a government and Doctor O went and Made A Face about not going into government without getting something out of it, and no ministries wanted to have to deal with him, and even though his academic training is medicine not law he'd been in the legislative business some years at that point and there was no way a huge Labour plurality was just going to let a member of the Gang of Four be Leader of the House of Lords. David Steel spent the Nineties seething moderately in the cloakroom before becoming Scotland's first First Minister and telling Lord Owen precisely what he could put up his jacksey.
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I'm still not clear on why he's in government. He's not a Lib Dem, (He's not even on terms with them) and it's not as if he's even bringing a Commons seat (singular) to the table here.
 
Charles James Fox

Charles James Fox

Yes said:
They reeeeeeeeeeeally had to have the Lib Dem seats in order to form a government and Doctor O went and Made A Face about not going into government without getting something out of it, and no ministries wanted to have to deal with him, and even though his academic training is medicine not law he'd been in the legislative business some years at that point and there was no way a huge Labour plurality was just going to let a member of the Gang of Four be Leader of the House of Lords. David Steel spent the Nineties seething moderately in the cloakroom before becoming Scotland's first First Minister and telling Lord Owen precisely what he could put up his jacksey.
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It would be very strange in the 1990s to appoint a non-lawyer as Lord Chancellor though - this is when the Lord Chancellor was head of the judiciary in England before the Supreme Court and didn't deal with prisons and probation (under the Home Office at the time).
 
V-J

V-J

Charles James Fox said:
It would be very strange in the 1990s to appoint a non-lawyer as Lord Chancellor though - this is when the Lord Chancellor was head of the judiciary in England before the Supreme Court and didn't deal with prisons and probation (under the Home Office at the time).
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The Lord Chancellor also had a quasi-judicial role, so yes, it would have been massively irregular to appoint a non-legally qualified person.

If you were a Lab-Lib coalition government which for some strange reason decided to appoint an independent member of the lords who you both despise to a cabinet position, then the obvious one would be Northern Ireland. (McNamara was seen as too Green)

Not that I think that is very realistic either mind - Owen's options by this point were international, not domestic.
 
Great Britain

Great Britain

Maybe,(actually definetly ASB;))-showing the first Rees-Mogg cabinet,after his shock leadership election in the summer of 2017. This would be later known as the Brexit cabinet,although many in left wing circles just call it "the nightmare",disgusted as if it was deliberately made up of everybody they hated......both traditional social conservatives and obsessive free market libertarians,sadly for them Rees-Mogg would be in power 2027,until the newly formed centrist Democrats formed a coalition with an increasingly hard-left Labour Party.

NB-I know Hannan and Farage aren't MPs,but just go with it....


Prime Minister,First Lord of the Treasury: Jacob Rees-Mogg
Deputy Prime Minister: Lord Nigel Farage
Chancellor of the Exchequer,Secomd Lord of the Treasury: Daniel Hannan
Foreign Secretary: Boris Johnson
Home Secretary: John Redwood
Secretary of State for leaving the European Union: David Davis

Lord Chancellor,Justice Secretary: Dominic Raab
Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy Secretary: Michael Gove
Transport Secretary: John Hayes
Work and Pensions Secretary: Ian Duncan Smith
International Trade Secretary: Liam Fox
Health Secretary: Jeremy Hunt (not a brexiteer,but I figure at this point he may as well be included)
Education Secretary: Andrea Leadsom
Environment, Food, and Rural Affairs Secretary: Owen Paterson
Culture, Media and Sport Secretary: Kwasi Kwarteng
International Development Secretary: Priti Patel
Secretary of State for Women and Equalities: Philip Davies :p
Chief Secretary to the Treasury: Nadhim Zahawi
Communities and Local Government Secretary:
Scotland Secretary: David Coburn
Wales Secretary: Neil Hamilton
Northen Ireland Secretary: Ian Paisley Jr.

Leader of the House of Commons: Peter Bone
Leader of the House of Lords: Nigel Farage
Minister for the Cabinet Office: Nadine Dorries
Chairman of the Conservative Party: Sir Edward Leigh
Chief Whip: Graham Brady
Minister without portfolio: Chrstopher Chope
 
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Politibrit

Great Britain said:
Yeah,but tbh I couldn't be bothered looking up staunchly right wing or even moderate brexiteer Welsh,or Scottish MPs. Do you know any?(I'm not even sure there are some)
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There are some, though they aren't all that well known.But if you are putting UKIP people in, why not go for David Coburn and Neil Hamilton? The latter in particular would be perfect for this sort of cabinet.
 
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