The Alternate Cabinets Thread

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by Gorrister, Feb 28, 2014.

  1. Red Arturoist Napoleon II. - Marxist-Arturoist-Trałkaist Donor

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    I am German, and I would call ASB on this.

    1. Udo di Fabio supported far-right positions as far as I know (at least he was anti-Merkel in refugee policies).
    2. I have never heard of some of the politicians, and that is rare... Arnold Vaatz? Who the heck shall Arnold Vaatz be? Or Düzen Tekkal?
    3. The Greens would never form a cabinet when somebody else has Environment, let alone Environment and Food/Agriculture. This time, they also want Traffic: "Qualifikation darf kein Hindernis mehr sein, deutscher Verkehrsminister zu sein!" (being qualified/competent must no longer be a hindrance in order to become German Minister of Traffic)
    4. The FDP would likely love to form a separate Digital Ministry

    EDIT: Just looked up Arnold Vaatz on German Wikipedia. Oh no. Arnold Vaatz would be the most ASB Minister of Environment ever in modern Germany: Pro-nuclear power, pro-Gorleben, anti-Energiewende.

    Here what the German Wikipedia says of Arnold Vaatz' policies:
    How shall the Greens possibly govern with somebody like that in Environment and Reactor Safety?
     
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  2. Charles James Fox Liberty, Toleration, Commerce

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    Prime Minister: Theresa May
    First Secretary of State and Minister for the Cabinet Office: Damian Greene
    Leader of the House of Commons: Andrea Leadsom
    Chancellor of the Exchequer: David Gauke
    Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs: Rory Stewart
    Secretary of State for the Home Department: Amber Rudd
    Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union: David Davis
    Secretary of State for International Trade: Liam Fox
    Secretary of State for Defence: Tom Tugendhat
    Secretary of State for Justice and Lord Chancellor: Dominic Raab
    Secretary of State for Health: George Freeman
    Secretary of State for Education: Justine Greening
    Secretary of State for Business, Energy, and Industrial Strategy: Sir Michael Fallon
    Secretary of State for Transport: Penny Mordaunt
    Secretary of State for Work and Pensions: Karen Bradley
    Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government: Sajid Javid
    Secretary of State for the Environment, Food, and Rural Affairs: Michael Gove
    Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media, and Sport: Tracey Crouch
    Secretary of State for International Development: Priti Patel
    Secretary of State for Scotland: David Mundell
    Secretary of State for Wales: Alun Cairns
    Secretary of State for Northern Ireland: James Brokenshire
    Chief Secretary to the Treasury: Kwasi Kwarteng
    Chairman of the Conservative Party: Brandon Lewis
    Chief Whip: Gavin Williamson
     
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  3. Cevolian *Brooks Newmark Intensifies*

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    A sneak peak of the possible reboot for my TL The Age of Abundance for those still interested (so just @Yes and possibly @Gonzo) after the 19[REDACTED] General Election in which Crosland defeats Reginald Maudling.

    Prime Minister:
    Anthony Crosland
    First Secretary of State and Minister of State at the DEA: James Callaghan
    Lord President of the Council: Herbert Bowden
    Lord Chancellor: Lord Gardiner
    Lord Privy Seal: Lord Shackleton
    Chancellor of the Exchequer: Michael Stewart
    Chief Secretary to the Treasury: Douglas Jay
    Foreign, Commonwealth and Colonial Secretary: Roy Jenkins
    Home Secretary: Edward Short
    Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food: Reg Prentice
    Defence Secretary: Denis Healey
    Secretary of State for Education and Science: Anthony Benn
    Secretary of State for Employment: Barbara Castle
    Secretary of State for Social Services and for Local Government and Regional Planning: Cledwyn Hughes
    Minister of Housing and Local Government: Cledwyn Hughes
    Paymaster-General: Michael Foot
    Minister of Power: Roy Mayson
    Secretary of State for Scotland: Willie Ross
    President of the Board of Trade: Edmund Dell
    Minister of Transport: Richard Marsh
    Secretary of State for Wales: James Griffiths
     
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  4. Gonzo Grumpy Christian Democrat

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    I'm (still) interested! Just keep Woy away from the Home Office. :p
     
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  5. Cevolian *Brooks Newmark Intensifies*

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    I think TTL's Woy might be able to do a good deal better than the Home Office ;)
     
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  6. Gonzo Grumpy Christian Democrat

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    By all means keep him in the Foreign Office, even the Treasury! :p
     
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  7. Unmentionable Alligator You Know I Had to Do It to Em

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    Crosspost from Atlas Forum
    President: Unmentionable Alligator (D-TX)
    Vice President: Kamala Harris (D-CA) (California senator)

    Secretary of State: Wendy Sherman (D-NY) (Former Deputy Secretary of State)
    -Deputy: Jonathan Finer (D-VT) (Former Chief of Staff to the Secretary of State)
    Secretary of the Treasury: Jeffrey Zients (D-DC) (Former OMB Director)
    -Deputy: Jerome Powell (R-MD) (Chairman of the U.S Federal Reserve)
    Secretary of Defense: Colin Powell (R-NY) (Former Secretary of State)
    -Deputy: Jim Webb (D-VA) (Former Senator)
    Attorney General: Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) (Rhode Island Senator/Former district attorney)
    -Deputy: Lisa Madigan (D-IL) (State attorney-general)
    Secretary of the Interior: Marcia McNutt (D-MN) (Former USGS Director)
    -Deputy: Craig Fugate (D-FL) (Former FEMA administrator)
    Secretary of Agriculture: Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) (Former Senate Agriculture Committee Chair)
    -Deputy: Michael Scuse (D-DE) (Former Under Secretary of Agriculture)
    Secretary of Commerce: To be Abolished
    Secretary of Labor: Seth Harris (D-NY) (Former Deputy Labor Secretary)
    -Deputy: Christine Todd Whitman (R-NJ) (Former EPA administrator)
    Secretary of Education: Ciro Rodriguez (D-TX) (Former Representative)
    -Deputy: Catharine Gilpin Faust (I-VA) (President of Harvard University)
    Secretary of Energy: Jim Matheson (D-UT) (Former Utah representative)
    -Deputy: Rush Holt Jr. (D-NJ) (Former New Jersey representative)
    Secretary of Health and Human Services: Margaret Hamburg (D-IL) (Former FDA Commissioner)
    -Deputy: Boris Lushniak (I-IL) (Former acting Surgeon-General)
    Secretary of Transportation: Joe Lhota (R-NY) (Metropolitan Transportation Authority Chairman)
    -Deputy: Dan Maffei (D-NY) (U.S Federal Maritime Commissioner)
    Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Martin O'Malley (D-MD) (Former Mayor of Baltimore)
    -Deputy: Francis Slay (D-MO) (Former mayor of St. Louis Missouri)
    Secretary of Veterans Affairs: Sam Johnson (R-TX) (Vietnam War Veteran)
    -Deputy: Charles Bolden (I-SC) (Former Nasa administrator/Former Major General)
    Secretary of Homeland Security: Charles Michel (I-OK) (U.S. Coast Guard Vice Commandant)
    -Deputy: John Brennan (I-NJ) (Former CIA director/Former National Security advisor)

    Chief of Staff: Jason Kander (D-MO) (2016 Missouri Senate Candidate)
    White house Press Secretary: Jon Ossoff (D-GA) (Documentarian and Congressional candidate)
    Ambassador to the United Nations: Jon Huntsman Jr. (R-UT) (Former Ambassador to China)
    EPA Administrator: Al Gore (D-TN) (Former Vice-President)
    CIA Director: Michael Morell (I-OH) (Was twice the Acting CIA Director)
    National Security Adviser: Stephanie O'Sullivan (I-MO) (Former PDDNI)
    FCC Chairman: Lawrence Lessig (D-MA)
    Solicitor General: Preet Bharara (D-NY) (Former district attorney)

    Notable Foreign Ambassadors
    Ambassador to Israel: Brad Sherman (D-CA)
    Ambassador to Japan: Dave Reichert (R-WA) (Co-Chair of the U.S.-Japan Caucus)
    Ambassador to China: Tina Tchen (D-OH) (Former Chief of Staff to the First Lady)
    Ambassador to India: Nikki Haley (R-SC) (U.N Ambassador)
     
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  8. nezza Well-Known Member

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    POD: David Milliband wins Labour leadership election 2010

    MILLIBAND CABINET 2015-2019

    Prime Minister: David Milliband
    Chancellor: Ed Balls
    Home Secretary: Ed Milliband
    Foreign Secretary: Harriet Harman

    Employment: Jeremy Corbyn
    Chief Sec, Treasury: John Macdonnell
    Energy: Liz Kendall
    DHSS: Diane Abbott

    Environment, Transport and Regions: Andy Burnham
    Defence: Bob Ainsworth
    Leader, Lords: Valerie Amos
     
  9. Unmentionable Alligator You Know I Had to Do It to Em

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    Ed Balls
     
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  10. Comisario ‘Lim’ is short for ‘Liment Voroshilov’

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    Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott are not getting those positions in a Mili-D Cabinet.
     
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  11. Jonathan Corbynite with fire in heart & food in belly

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    As much as I am a massive fan of Jeremy Corbyn, with a strong Blairites, like Miliband winning the election of 2015 "Corbyn and McDonnell" are definitely not getting any position in a cabinet let alone these two positions.

    Candidates you will find in a Dave Miliband cabiet is:
    Ben Bradshaw
    Alistair Darling
    Douglas Alexander
    Alan Johnson
    Yvette Cooper (Wife of Ed BALLS)
    Jim Murphy

    The closest people who are OTL Corbyn allies you might see in this cabinet are Angela Eagle and Gerald Kaufman
     
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  12. Uriel undead young cold warrior

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    The infamous Bond Cabinett

    A timeline idea of mine: Britain turns left ore early and more radical.
    After a failed reactionary coup James Bond ends up ruling an assorted bunch of overseas territories (governed from Jamaica) keeping it afloat by allying with the various Bond villians and utilizing their ruthlessnes, entrepreneurship and genius... bond cabinet.png
     
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  13. Politibrit Well-Known Member

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    Kaufman retired from the frontbench after 1992 I believe. I think I could just about see Jon Trickett in a D-Miliband cabinet, even though he was closer to his brother, he was PPS to Mandelson and then Brown, and attended Shadow Cabinet in opposition. Other than that, I'd say most left wing MPs who might make into the cabinet would be the likes of Owen Smith, Lisa Nandy, and Keir Starmer, ironically, the kind of people who were strong backers of the campaign against Corbyn in 2016.
     
  14. nezza Well-Known Member

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    Milli-D is trying to create a balanced cabinet. He beats Milli-E in a close campaign.
     
  15. Comisario ‘Lim’ is short for ‘Liment Voroshilov’

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    So he'll include people that backed Ed, then. Including Corbyn or McDonnell (the former, perceived as a far-left backbencher of little importance; the latter, a left-wing thorn in the side of the New Labour leadership) makes no sense if balance is what Mili-D is looking for in that situation. He'll want to include people on the "soft left", in that case, and wouldn't go looking at the fringes of the PLP so he could make Abbott Shadow DHSS (which, furthermore, should be Shadow DWP or Shadow Health).

    This is taking the current importance of these left-wing figures and transposing it to 2010, which makes little sense if the divergence is simply based upon David Miliband winning the leadership.
     
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  16. lucon50 Well-Known Member

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    GERMANY
    (Nazi Victory)

    1950 [1]
    - Führer: Adolf Hitler
    - Deputy: Martin Bormann
    - Foreign: Joachim Ribbentrop
    - Economy: Albert Speer
    - Interior: Heinrich Himmler
    1955 [2]
    - President: Hermann Göring
    - Chancellor: Joseph Goebbels
    - Foreign: Joachim Ribbentrop
    - Economy: Albert Speer
    - Interior: Reinhard Heydrich
    1960 [3]
    - Führer: Reinhard Heydrich
    - Deputy: Karl Hanke
    - Foreign: Adolf Eichmann
    - Economy: Erich Koch
    - Interior: Walther Darré
    1965 [4]
    - Führer: Reinhard Heydrich
    - Deputy: Karl Hanke
    - Foreign: Adolf Eichmann
    - Economy: Erich Koch
    - Interior: Kurt Meyer
    1970 [5]
    - Führer: Reinhard Heydrich
    - Deputy: Otto Remer
    - Foreign: Adolf Eichmann
    - Economy: Wernher Braun
    - Interior: Kurt Meyer
    1975 [6]
    - Führer: Reinhard Heydrich
    - Deputy: Otto Remer
    - Foreign: Peter Dönitz
    - Economy: Wernher Braun
    - Interior: Alfred Czech
    1980 [7]
    - President: Peter Dönitz
    - Chancellor: Alfred Czech
    - Foreign: Hans Rudel
    - Economy: Klaus Quandt
    - Interior: Wolf Hess
    1985 [8]
    - President: Peter Dönitz
    - Chancellor: Alfred Czech
    - Foreign: Hans Rudel
    - Economy: Klaus Quandt
    - Interior: Wolf Hess
    1990 [9]
    - President: Peter Dönitz
    - Chancellor: Alfred Czech
    - Foreign: August Hitler
    - Economy: Klaus Quandt
    - Interior: Wolf Hess
    1995 [10]
    - Führer: August Hitler
    - Deputy: Horst Mahler
    - Foreign: Alfred Czech
    - Economy: Klaus Quandt
    - Interior: Wolf Hess
    2000 [11]
    - Führer: August Hitler
    - Deputy: Horst Mahler
    - Foreign: Jörg Haider
    - Economy: Udo Voigt
    - Interior: Jürgen Rieger
    2005 [12]
    - Führer: August Hitler
    - Deputy: Christian Worch
    - Foreign: Jörg Haider
    - Economy: Udo Voigt
    - Interior: Jürgen Rieger
    2010 [13]
    - Führer: August Hitler
    - Deputy: Christian Worch
    - Foreign: Jörg Haider
    - Economy: Udo Voigt
    - Interior: Kurt Pastörs
    2015 [14]
    - Führer: August Hitler
    - Deputy: Christian Worch
    - Foreign: Bela Althans
    - Economy: Udo Voigt
    - Interior: Kurt Pastörs
    2020 [15]
    - Führer: August Hitler
    - Deputy: Christian Worch
    - Foreign: Bela Althans
    - Economy: Karl Lutze
    - Interior: Hans Breivik
    2025 [16]
    - Führer: Hans Breivik
    - Deputy: Götz Kubitschek
    - Foreign: Bela Althans
    - Economy: Karl Lutze
    - Interior: Frank Möbus

    [1] Post-war; Berlin & Ost plans
    [2] Hitler dead; collective govt
    [3] SS coup; govt/military purge
    [4] Axis coups; Nazi-Soviet war
    [5] Ostplan grows; moon landing
    [6] Saudi pact; Israel overrun
    [7] Heydrich dead; triumvirate
    [8] Sealion II; Axis-Nato WWIII
    [9] Nuclear war; stalemate
    [10] Nuclear fallout; cold war
    [11] Reconstruction; purges
    [12] Axis space weapon plan
    [13] Germanic integration
    [14] Axis space weapon built
    [15] Space race; proxy wars
    [16] Nazi-pagan govt; purges
     
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  17. Charles James Fox Liberty, Toleration, Commerce

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    Prime Minister: Penny Mordaunt
    Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for UK-EU Trade (Cabinet Office): Michael Gove
    Leader of the House of Commons: David Gauke
    Chancellor of the Exchequer: Jeremy Hunt
    Foreign Secretary: Boris Johnson
    Home Secretary: Sajid Javid
    Defence Secretary: Gavin Williamson
    Secretary of State for International Trade: Liam Fox
    Secretary of State for Health and Social Care: Anne Milton
    Secretary of State for Education: Damian Hinds
    Secretary of State for Work and Pensions: Esther McVey
    Secretary of State for Justice: Dominic Raab
    Secretary of State for Business, Energy, and Industrial Strategy: Priti Patel
    Secretary of State for Transport: Claire Perry
    Secretary of State for Housing, Communities, and Local Government: Nick Boles
    Secretary of State for the Environment, Food, and Rural Affairs: Rory Stewart
    Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media, and Sport: Matt Hancock
    Secretary of State for International Development: Suella Braverman
    Secretary of State for Scotland: David Mundell
    Secretary of State for Wales: Alun Cairns
    Secretary of State for Northern Ireland: Brandon Lewis
    Chief Secretary to the Treasury: Jacob Rees-Mogg
    Chief Whip: Chris Grayling
     
  18. Jonathan Corbynite with fire in heart & food in belly

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    How does Penny Mordaunt come to become Prime Minister?
     
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  19. Charles James Fox Liberty, Toleration, Commerce

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    May ousted after we formally leave the EU in April 2019, Brexiteers launch a challenge to May's leadership calling for a clean Brexit - end to ECJ jurisdiction and EU customs regime.
     
  20. Jonathan Corbynite with fire in heart & food in belly

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    I can understand May being kicked out, but it seems a little odd for a relatively new MP and low cabinet minister beating the big hitters like Johnson, Gove, Fox and Davies.
     
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