The Alternate Cabinets Thread

[Pragmatic Progressive]

A CDU/CSU-FDP-Green coalition cabinet, based on this article from German blog Salonkolumnisten:

Chancellor: Angela Merkel (CDU)
Vice Chancellor and Minister of the Economy and Technology: Christian Lindner (FDP)
Minister of Foreign Affairs: Cem Özdemir (Greens)
Minister of the Interior: Joachim Herrmann (CSU)
Minister of Defence: Karl-Theodor von und zu Guttenberg (CSU)
Minister of Finance: Hermann-Otto Solms (FDP)
Minister of Justice: Udo di Fabio (non-partisan)
Minister of Labour, Pensions and Social Affairs: Emilia Müller (CSU)
Minister of Food, Agriculture, Consumer Protection and Forestry: Christel Happach-Kasan (FDP)
Minister of Transport, Building, and Digital Infrastructure: Katja Suding (FDP)
Minister of Family, Senior Citizens, Women, and Youth: Marcus Weinberg (CDU)
Minister of Health: Ursula von der Leyen (CDU)
Minister of Education, Science, and Research: Claudia Dalbert (Greens)
Minister of Economic Cooperation and Development: Ekin Deligöz (Greens)
Minister of Environment, Nature Conservation, and Nuclear Security: Arnold Vaatz (CDU)
State Minister for Migration, Refugees and Integration: Düzen Tekkal (CDU)
State Minister for Europe: Marieluise Beck (Greens)
Federal Minister for Special Tasks, Head of the Chancellery: Peter Tauber (CDU)

I am German, and I would call ASB on this.

1. Udo di Fabio supported far-right positions as far as I know (at least he was anti-Merkel in refugee policies).
2. I have never heard of some of the politicians, and that is rare... Arnold Vaatz? Who the heck shall Arnold Vaatz be? Or Düzen Tekkal?
3. The Greens would never form a cabinet when somebody else has Environment, let alone Environment and Food/Agriculture. This time, they also want Traffic: "Qualifikation darf kein Hindernis mehr sein, deutscher Verkehrsminister zu sein!" (being qualified/competent must no longer be a hindrance in order to become German Minister of Traffic)
4. The FDP would likely love to form a separate Digital Ministry

EDIT: Just looked up Arnold Vaatz on German Wikipedia. Oh no. Arnold Vaatz would be the most ASB Minister of Environment ever in modern Germany: Pro-nuclear power, pro-Gorleben, anti-Energiewende.

Here what the German Wikipedia says of Arnold Vaatz' policies:

Vaatz befürwortet auch nach dem Ausstiegsbeschluss der Regierung Merkel den Einsatz von Kernenergie. Erneuerbaren Energien und insbesondere Solarenergie steht er kritisch gegenüber. Im März 2012 erklärte er in einer Sendung des ZDF, er befürworte das Endlager Gorleben und sei davon überzeugt, dass von den Wassereinbrüchen in der Schachtanlage Asse keine Gefahr ausgehe.[15]

Im Juli 2012 nannte er die Energiewende ein „sinnloses Experiment“, das „kaum machbar und aus ökonomischen Gründen […] völlig unsinnig“ sei und von dem er nicht glaube, dass es realisiert werde. Dies ließ Bundeskanzlerin Merkel über ihren Regierungssprecher Seibert umgehend zurückweisen. „Der Atomausstieg ist beschlossen und unumkehrbar“, sagte Seibert der Presse.[16]

Im Februar 2012 hatte er in einem Beitrag für EIKE erklärt, die „energiepolitische Sackgasse“ Energiewende sei entstanden durch „erbarmungslose[n] Konformitätsdruck, der von einer postreligiösen Gesellschaft ausgeht, die ihren arbeitslos gewordenen religiösen Sensus ausleben will“. Dieser Konformitätsdruck habe „eine Gleichschaltung der Gesellschaft verursacht, die zwar mit den Formen von Gleichschaltung wie dies [sic!] aus der Geschichte der europäischen Diktaturen kennen, nicht identisch ist, jedoch ganz ähnliche Züge aufweist.“[17]

How shall the Greens possibly govern with somebody like that in Environment and Reactor Safety?

 

[Charles James Fox]

The last throw of the dice?

Prime Minister: Theresa May
First Secretary of State and Minister for the Cabinet Office: Damian Greene
Leader of the House of Commons: Andrea Leadsom
Chancellor of the Exchequer: David Gauke
Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs: Rory Stewart
Secretary of State for the Home Department: Amber Rudd
Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union: David Davis
Secretary of State for International Trade: Liam Fox
Secretary of State for Defence: Tom Tugendhat
Secretary of State for Justice and Lord Chancellor: Dominic Raab
Secretary of State for Health: George Freeman
Secretary of State for Education: Justine Greening
Secretary of State for Business, Energy, and Industrial Strategy: Sir Michael Fallon
Secretary of State for Transport: Penny Mordaunt
Secretary of State for Work and Pensions: Karen Bradley
Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government: Sajid Javid
Secretary of State for the Environment, Food, and Rural Affairs: Michael Gove
Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media, and Sport: Tracey Crouch
Secretary of State for International Development: Priti Patel
Secretary of State for Scotland: David Mundell
Secretary of State for Wales: Alun Cairns
Secretary of State for Northern Ireland: James Brokenshire
Chief Secretary to the Treasury: Kwasi Kwarteng
Chairman of the Conservative Party: Brandon Lewis
Chief Whip: Gavin Williamson

 

[Cevolian]

A sneak peak of the possible reboot for my TL The Age of Abundance for those still interested (so just @Yes and possibly @Gonzo) after the 19[REDACTED] General Election in which Crosland defeats Reginald Maudling.

Prime Minister: Anthony Crosland
First Secretary of State and Minister of State at the DEA: James Callaghan
Lord President of the Council: Herbert Bowden
Lord Chancellor: Lord Gardiner
Lord Privy Seal: Lord Shackleton
Chancellor of the Exchequer: Michael Stewart
Chief Secretary to the Treasury: Douglas Jay
Foreign, Commonwealth and Colonial Secretary: Roy Jenkins
Home Secretary: Edward Short
Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food: Reg Prentice
Defence Secretary: Denis Healey
Secretary of State for Education and Science: Anthony Benn
Secretary of State for Employment: Barbara Castle
Secretary of State for Social Services and for Local Government and Regional Planning: Cledwyn Hughes
Minister of Housing and Local Government: Cledwyn Hughes
Paymaster-General: Michael Foot
Minister of Power: Roy Mayson
Secretary of State for Scotland: Willie Ross
President of the Board of Trade: Edmund Dell
Minister of Transport: Richard Marsh
Secretary of State for Wales: James Griffiths

 

[Gonzo]

SNIP

I'm (still) interested! Just keep Woy away from the Home Office.

 

[Cevolian]

I'm (still) interested! Just keep Woy away from the Home Office.

I think TTL's Woy might be able to do a good deal better than the Home Office

 

[Gonzo]

I think TTL's Woy might be able to do a good deal better than the Home Office

By all means keep him in the Foreign Office, even the Treasury!

 

[Unmentionable Alligator]

Crosspost from Atlas Forum
President: Unmentionable Alligator (D-TX)
Vice President: Kamala Harris (D-CA) (California senator)

Secretary of State: Wendy Sherman (D-NY) (Former Deputy Secretary of State)
-Deputy: Jonathan Finer (D-VT) (Former Chief of Staff to the Secretary of State)
Secretary of the Treasury: Jeffrey Zients (D-DC) (Former OMB Director)
-Deputy: Jerome Powell (R-MD) (Chairman of the U.S Federal Reserve)
Secretary of Defense: Colin Powell (R-NY) (Former Secretary of State)
-Deputy: Jim Webb (D-VA) (Former Senator)
Attorney General: Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) (Rhode Island Senator/Former district attorney)
-Deputy: Lisa Madigan (D-IL) (State attorney-general)
Secretary of the Interior: Marcia McNutt (D-MN) (Former USGS Director)
-Deputy: Craig Fugate (D-FL) (Former FEMA administrator)
Secretary of Agriculture: Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) (Former Senate Agriculture Committee Chair)
-Deputy: Michael Scuse (D-DE) (Former Under Secretary of Agriculture)
Secretary of Commerce: To be Abolished
Secretary of Labor: Seth Harris (D-NY) (Former Deputy Labor Secretary)
-Deputy: Christine Todd Whitman (R-NJ) (Former EPA administrator)
Secretary of Education: Ciro Rodriguez (D-TX) (Former Representative)
-Deputy: Catharine Gilpin Faust (I-VA) (President of Harvard University)
Secretary of Energy: Jim Matheson (D-UT) (Former Utah representative)
-Deputy: Rush Holt Jr. (D-NJ) (Former New Jersey representative)
Secretary of Health and Human Services: Margaret Hamburg (D-IL) (Former FDA Commissioner)
-Deputy: Boris Lushniak (I-IL) (Former acting Surgeon-General)
Secretary of Transportation: Joe Lhota (R-NY) (Metropolitan Transportation Authority Chairman)
-Deputy: Dan Maffei (D-NY) (U.S Federal Maritime Commissioner)
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Martin O'Malley (D-MD) (Former Mayor of Baltimore)
-Deputy: Francis Slay (D-MO) (Former mayor of St. Louis Missouri)
Secretary of Veterans Affairs: Sam Johnson (R-TX) (Vietnam War Veteran)
-Deputy: Charles Bolden (I-SC) (Former Nasa administrator/Former Major General)
Secretary of Homeland Security: Charles Michel (I-OK) (U.S. Coast Guard Vice Commandant)
-Deputy: John Brennan (I-NJ) (Former CIA director/Former National Security advisor)

Chief of Staff: Jason Kander (D-MO) (2016 Missouri Senate Candidate)
White house Press Secretary: Jon Ossoff (D-GA) (Documentarian and Congressional candidate)
Ambassador to the United Nations: Jon Huntsman Jr. (R-UT) (Former Ambassador to China)
EPA Administrator: Al Gore (D-TN) (Former Vice-President)
CIA Director: Michael Morell (I-OH) (Was twice the Acting CIA Director)
National Security Adviser: Stephanie O'Sullivan (I-MO) (Former PDDNI)
FCC Chairman: Lawrence Lessig (D-MA)
Solicitor General: Preet Bharara (D-NY) (Former district attorney)

Notable Foreign Ambassadors
Ambassador to Israel: Brad Sherman (D-CA)
Ambassador to Japan: Dave Reichert (R-WA) (Co-Chair of the U.S.-Japan Caucus)
Ambassador to China: Tina Tchen (D-OH) (Former Chief of Staff to the First Lady)
Ambassador to India: Nikki Haley (R-SC) (U.N Ambassador)

 

[nezza]

POD: David Milliband wins Labour leadership election 2010

MILLIBAND CABINET 2015-2019

Prime Minister: David Milliband
Chancellor: Ed Balls
Home Secretary: Ed Milliband
Foreign Secretary: Harriet Harman

Employment: Jeremy Corbyn
Chief Sec, Treasury: John Macdonnell
Energy: Liz Kendall
DHSS: Diane Abbott

Environment, Transport and Regions: Andy Burnham
Defence: Bob Ainsworth
Leader, Lords: Valerie Amos

 

[Unmentionable Alligator]

POD: David Milliband wins Labour leadership election 2010

MILLIBAND CABINET 2015-2019

Prime Minister: David Milliband
Chancellor: Ed Balls

Ed Balls

 

[Comisario]

POD: David Milliband wins Labour leadership election 2010

MILLIBAND CABINET 2015-2019

Prime Minister: David Milliband
Chancellor: Ed Balls
Home Secretary: Ed Milliband
Foreign Secretary: Harriet Harman

Employment: Jeremy Corbyn
Chief Sec, Treasury: John Macdonnell
Energy: Liz Kendall
DHSS: Diane Abbott

Environment, Transport and Regions: Andy Burnham
Defence: Bob Ainsworth
Leader, Lords: Valerie Amos

Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott are not getting those positions in a Mili-D Cabinet.

 

[Jonathan]

POD: David Milliband wins Labour leadership election 2010

MILLIBAND CABINET 2015-2019

Prime Minister: David Milliband
Chancellor: Ed Balls
Home Secretary: Ed Milliband
Foreign Secretary: Harriet Harman

Employment: Jeremy Corbyn
Chief Sec, Treasury: John Macdonnell
DHSS: Diane Abbott

As much as I am a massive fan of Jeremy Corbyn, with a strong Blairites, like Miliband winning the election of 2015 "Corbyn and McDonnell" are definitely not getting any position in a cabinet let alone these two positions.

Candidates you will find in a Dave Miliband cabiet is:
Ben Bradshaw
Alistair Darling
Douglas Alexander
Alan Johnson
Yvette Cooper (Wife of Ed BALLS)
Jim Murphy

The closest people who are OTL Corbyn allies you might see in this cabinet are Angela Eagle and Gerald Kaufman

 

[Uriel]

The infamous Bond Cabinett

A timeline idea of mine: Britain turns left ore early and more radical.
After a failed reactionary coup James Bond ends up ruling an assorted bunch of overseas territories (governed from Jamaica) keeping it afloat by allying with the various Bond villians and utilizing their ruthlessnes, entrepreneurship and genius...

 

[Politibrit]

As much as I am a massive fan of Jeremy Corbyn, with a strong Blairites, like Miliband winning the election of 2015 "Corbyn and McDonnell" are definitely not getting any position in a cabinet let alone these two positions.

Candidates you will find in a Dave Miliband cabiet is:
Ben Bradshaw
Alistair Darling
Douglas Alexander
Alan Johnson
Yvette Cooper (Wife of Ed BALLS)
Jim Murphy

The closest people who are OTL Corbyn allies you might see in this cabinet are Angela Eagle and Gerald Kaufman

Kaufman retired from the frontbench after 1992 I believe. I think I could just about see Jon Trickett in a D-Miliband cabinet, even though he was closer to his brother, he was PPS to Mandelson and then Brown, and attended Shadow Cabinet in opposition. Other than that, I'd say most left wing MPs who might make into the cabinet would be the likes of Owen Smith, Lisa Nandy, and Keir Starmer, ironically, the kind of people who were strong backers of the campaign against Corbyn in 2016.

 

[nezza]

Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott are not getting those positions in a Mili-D Cabinet.

Milli-D is trying to create a balanced cabinet. He beats Milli-E in a close campaign.

 

[Comisario]

Milli-D is trying to create a balanced cabinet. He beats Milli-E in a close campaign.

So he'll include people that backed Ed, then. Including Corbyn or McDonnell (the former, perceived as a far-left backbencher of little importance; the latter, a left-wing thorn in the side of the New Labour leadership) makes no sense if balance is what Mili-D is looking for in that situation. He'll want to include people on the "soft left", in that case, and wouldn't go looking at the fringes of the PLP so he could make Abbott Shadow DHSS (which, furthermore, should be Shadow DWP or Shadow Health).

This is taking the current importance of these left-wing figures and transposing it to 2010, which makes little sense if the divergence is simply based upon David Miliband winning the leadership.

 

[lucon50]

GERMANY
(Nazi Victory)

1950 [1]
- Führer: Adolf Hitler
- Deputy: Martin Bormann
- Foreign: Joachim Ribbentrop
- Economy: Albert Speer
- Interior: Heinrich Himmler
1955 [2]
- President: Hermann Göring
- Chancellor: Joseph Goebbels
- Foreign: Joachim Ribbentrop
- Economy: Albert Speer
- Interior: Reinhard Heydrich
1960 [3]
- Führer: Reinhard Heydrich
- Deputy: Karl Hanke
- Foreign: Adolf Eichmann
- Economy: Erich Koch
- Interior: Walther Darré
1965 [4]
- Führer: Reinhard Heydrich
- Deputy: Karl Hanke
- Foreign: Adolf Eichmann
- Economy: Erich Koch
- Interior: Kurt Meyer
1970 [5]
- Führer: Reinhard Heydrich
- Deputy: Otto Remer
- Foreign: Adolf Eichmann
- Economy: Wernher Braun
- Interior: Kurt Meyer
1975 [6]
- Führer: Reinhard Heydrich
- Deputy: Otto Remer
- Foreign: Peter Dönitz
- Economy: Wernher Braun
- Interior: Alfred Czech
1980 [7]
- President: Peter Dönitz
- Chancellor: Alfred Czech
- Foreign: Hans Rudel
- Economy: Klaus Quandt
- Interior: Wolf Hess
1985 [8]
- President: Peter Dönitz
- Chancellor: Alfred Czech
- Foreign: Hans Rudel
- Economy: Klaus Quandt
- Interior: Wolf Hess
1990 [9]
- President: Peter Dönitz
- Chancellor: Alfred Czech
- Foreign: August Hitler
- Economy: Klaus Quandt
- Interior: Wolf Hess
1995 [10]
- Führer: August Hitler
- Deputy: Horst Mahler
- Foreign: Alfred Czech
- Economy: Klaus Quandt
- Interior: Wolf Hess
2000 [11]
- Führer: August Hitler
- Deputy: Horst Mahler
- Foreign: Jörg Haider
- Economy: Udo Voigt
- Interior: Jürgen Rieger
2005 [12]
- Führer: August Hitler
- Deputy: Christian Worch
- Foreign: Jörg Haider
- Economy: Udo Voigt
- Interior: Jürgen Rieger
2010 [13]
- Führer: August Hitler
- Deputy: Christian Worch
- Foreign: Jörg Haider
- Economy: Udo Voigt
- Interior: Kurt Pastörs
2015 [14]
- Führer: August Hitler
- Deputy: Christian Worch
- Foreign: Bela Althans
- Economy: Udo Voigt
- Interior: Kurt Pastörs
2020 [15]
- Führer: August Hitler
- Deputy: Christian Worch
- Foreign: Bela Althans
- Economy: Karl Lutze
- Interior: Hans Breivik
2025 [16]
- Führer: Hans Breivik
- Deputy: Götz Kubitschek
- Foreign: Bela Althans
- Economy: Karl Lutze
- Interior: Frank Möbus

[1] Post-war; Berlin & Ost plans
[2] Hitler dead; collective govt
[3] SS coup; govt/military purge
[4] Axis coups; Nazi-Soviet war
[5] Ostplan grows; moon landing
[6] Saudi pact; Israel overrun
[7] Heydrich dead; triumvirate
[8] Sealion II; Axis-Nato WWIII
[9] Nuclear war; stalemate
[10] Nuclear fallout; cold war
[11] Reconstruction; purges
[12] Axis space weapon plan
[13] Germanic integration
[14] Axis space weapon built
[15] Space race; proxy wars
[16] Nazi-pagan govt; purges

 

[Charles James Fox]

June 2019: Brexit means Brexit?

Prime Minister: Penny Mordaunt
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for UK-EU Trade (Cabinet Office): Michael Gove
Leader of the House of Commons: David Gauke
Chancellor of the Exchequer: Jeremy Hunt
Foreign Secretary: Boris Johnson
Home Secretary: Sajid Javid
Defence Secretary: Gavin Williamson
Secretary of State for International Trade: Liam Fox
Secretary of State for Health and Social Care: Anne Milton
Secretary of State for Education: Damian Hinds
Secretary of State for Work and Pensions: Esther McVey
Secretary of State for Justice: Dominic Raab
Secretary of State for Business, Energy, and Industrial Strategy: Priti Patel
Secretary of State for Transport: Claire Perry
Secretary of State for Housing, Communities, and Local Government: Nick Boles
Secretary of State for the Environment, Food, and Rural Affairs: Rory Stewart
Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media, and Sport: Matt Hancock
Secretary of State for International Development: Suella Braverman
Secretary of State for Scotland: David Mundell
Secretary of State for Wales: Alun Cairns
Secretary of State for Northern Ireland: Brandon Lewis
Chief Secretary to the Treasury: Jacob Rees-Mogg
Chief Whip: Chris Grayling

 

[Jonathan]

June 2019: Brexit means Brexit?
Prime Minister: Penny Mordaunt

How does Penny Mordaunt come to become Prime Minister?

 

[Charles James Fox]

How does Penny Mordaunt come to become Prime Minister?

May ousted after we formally leave the EU in April 2019, Brexiteers launch a challenge to May's leadership calling for a clean Brexit - end to ECJ jurisdiction and EU customs regime.

 

[Jonathan]

May ousted after we formally leave the EU in April 2019, Brexiteers launch a challenge to May's leadership calling for a clean Brexit - end to ECJ jurisdiction and EU customs regime.

I can understand May being kicked out, but it seems a little odd for a relatively new MP and low cabinet minister beating the big hitters like Johnson, Gove, Fox and Davies.