The Alternate Cabinets Thread

[Sir William Jol]

Secretary of Agriculture: ???

How about Charles Stenholm?

Secretary of Transportation: ???

How about Ray Metcalf?

 

[LAHistorian15]

May I suggest Rudy Giuliani for Attorney General instead of Pataki (or DHS could work but I don't think Pataki would accept an appointment from Trump), Rob Portman for Secretary of Commerce instead of Jeb (no way he'd accept a job from the guy who beat his brother), Howard Dean or Jim Ramstad for Secretary of Health and Human Services, Al Sharpton for Secretary of Education, John Hagelin for Secretary of Energy, and Max Cleland for Secretary of Veterans Affairs.

How about Charles Stenholm?

How about Ray Metcalf?

Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.

 

[Sir William Jol]

Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.

No problem.

 

[Chapman]

President
Jonathan Parker Wolff (Independent-NY) 2001-2009

Vice President
Benjamin Horace Freeman II (Independent-MS) 2001-2009

Secretary of State
Nancy Kassebaum Baker (Republican-KS) 2001-2005
George John Mitchell (Democrat-ME) 2005-2009

Secretary of the Treasury
Robert Bernard Reich (Democrat-PA) 2001-2005
Carmen M. Reinhart (Independent-MA) 2005-2009

Secretary of Defense
H. Norman Schwarzkopf, Jr. (Independent-NJ) 2001-2005
Carl Milton Levin (Democrat-MI) 2005-2009

Attorney General
John C. Danforth (Republican-MO) 2001-2005
Barack H. Obama (Democrat-IL) 2005-2007
Gordon Douglas Jones (Democrat-AL) 2007-2009

Secretary of the Interior
Thomas S. Udall (Democrat-CO) 2001-2005
Joe B. Browder (Independent-FL) 2005-2007
Della Cheryl Warrior (Independent-OK) 2007-2009

Secretary of Agriculture
Eligio de la Garza II (Democrat-TX) 2001-2003
David R. Minge (Democratic Farmer Labor-MN) 2003-2007
Rosalinda Guillen (Peace & Freedom-WA) 2007-2009

Secretary of Science and Technology
G. Wayne Clough (Independent-GA) 2001-2006
Conrad Bennish, Jr. (Libertarian-CA) 2006-2009

Secretary of Commerce
Anthony A. Williams (Democrat-DC) 2001-2003
Office abolished, merged with the Department of Labor to become the Department of Business and the Workforce as of 2003

Secretary of Labor
Richard Louis Trumka (Democrat-PA) 2001-2003
Office abolished, merged with the Department of Commerce to become the Department of Business and the Workforce as of 2003

Secretary of Business and the Workforce
Mary Lou Makepeace (Republican-CO) 2003-2005
Sharon S. Belton (Democratic Farmer Labor-MN) 2005-2009

Secretary of Health and Human Services
John D. Rockefeller IV (Democrat-WV) 2001-2005
Risa Lavizzo-Mourey (Independent-PA) 2005-2009

Secretary of Education
Marian Wright Edelman (Independent-SC) 2001-2003
Della Cheryl Warrior (Independent-OK) 2003-2005
Office re-established as the Department of Arts, Culture and Education as of 2005

Secretary of Arts, Culture and Education
Della Cheryl Warrior (Independent-OK) 2005-2007
Lonnie G. Bunch III (Independent-DC) 2007-2009

Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
Enrico Anthony Lazio (Republican-NY) 2001-2003
Office abolished, merged with the Department of Transportation to become the Department of Public Works as of 2003

Secretary of Transportation
Edward Gene Rendell (Democrat-PA) 2001-2003
Office abolished, merged with the Department of Housing and Urban Development to become the Department of Public Works as of 2003

Secretary of Public Works
Kurt Lidell Schmoke (Democrat-MD) 2003-2007
Constance L. Rice (Independent-CA) 2007-2009

Secretary of Energy
Robert L. Ferguson (Independent-ID) 2001-2005
Susan Elaine Eisenhower (Republican-VA) 2005-2009

Secretary of Veteran's Affairs
Joseph Maxwell Cleland (Democrat-GA) 2001-2005
Bernard Sanders (Independent-VT) 2005-2009

 

[Dude-a-Buck]

For want of a more eloquent description, here's a version of Donald Trump's cabinet if he were trying to be a serious politician.

President: Donald Trump
Vice President: Chris Christie
Secretary of State: Bob Corker
Secretary of the Treasury: Ben Bernanke
Secretary of Defense: Stephen Hadley
Attorney General: Pam Bondi
Secretary of the Interior: Cynthia Lummis
Secretary of Agriculture: Susan Combs
Secretary of Commerce: Peter Thiel
Secretary of Labor: Peter Kirsnow
Secretary of Health and Human Services: Ben Carson
Secretary of Housing & Urban Development: Bob Woodson
Secretary of Transportation: Elaine Chao
Secretary of Energy: Robert Grady
Secretary of Education: Gerard Robinson
Secretary of Veterans Affairs: Leo Mackay Jr
Secretary of Homeland Security: Pete King

 

[Arrowfan237]

I don’t think he would go with Pam Bondi if he was trying to be serious. She had legitimate conflict of interest problems that would torpedo her nomination in my opinion (she would just look like a trump lackey). I think if he was trying to be serious he could go with Paul Clement or Brian Sandoval.

I also think he already had a few “serious” people in his cabinet IOTL. Purdue at Agriculture, Mattis at Defense, Mnuchin at Treasury, etc were all solid choices that I may not have agreed with but were certainly qualified for the roles.

 

[Sir William Jol]

From You Can Become President, Featuring Me

Cabinet of President William Jol, 2041
President: William Jol (D-NY)
Vice President: Dwayne Johnson (D-CA)
Speaker of the House of Representatives: Carlos Ramirez-Rosa (D-IL)
Senate Majority Leader: London Breed (D-CA)
President pro tempore of the Senate: Brian Schatz (D-HI)
Secretary of State: Ziad Ahmed (F-NY)
Secretary of the Treasury: Kshama Sawant (S-WA)
Secretary of Defense: Richard Ojeda (D-WV)
Attorney General: Lee Merrit (D-TX)
Secretary of the Interior: Nina Turner (D-OH)
Secretary of Agriculture: Toi Hutchinson (D-IL)
Secretary of Commerce: Michelle Vallejo (D-TX)
Secretary of Labor: Brace Belden (D-CA)
Secretary Health and Human Services: Terez Amato (D-HI)
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: India Walton (D-NY)
Secretary of Transportation: Michelle Wu (D-MA)
Secretary of Energy: Katie Porter (D-CA)
Secretary of Education: Varisha Khan (D-WA)
Secretary of Veterans Affairs: Brittany Ramos DeBarros (D-NY)
Secretary of Homeland Security: Lucas Kunce (D-MO)
Secretary of Environmental Preservation: Zoraya Hightower (D-VT)
Press Secretary: Hasan Piker (D-CA)
White House Chief of Staff: Kyle Kulinski (D-NY)
U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations: Amanda Gorman (D-CA)

 

[Luke_Starkiller]

Secretary of Transportation: Fmr. Mayor Pete Buttigieg (D-IN)

DID I CALL IT OR WHAT

 

[dsp19]

I have a few alternate Cabinets from my Star Trek TL:

President John Glenn's Administration, 1985

Vice President: Lloyd Bentsen
Secretary of State: Jimmy Carter
Secretary of Defense: Henry "Scoop" Jackson
Treasury Secretary: Robert Rubin
Secretary of Labor: Hugh Carey
Attorney General: Brendan Byrne
Secretary of Education: Geraldine Ferraro
Secretary of the Interior: Pat Schroeder
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Jesse Jackson
Press Secretary: Mike McCurry
National Security Adviser: Cyrus Vance
Secretary of Transportation: Norman Mineta
Secretary of Agriculture: Bob Berglund
Secretary of Commerce: Harold Ford, Sr.
Secretary of Energy: Harold Brown
Secretary of Health and Human Services: Sharon Pratt Dixon
CIA Director: William Webster
United Nations Ambassador: Andrew Young

President Reagan's Administration, 1977

Vice President: John Tower
State: Henry Kissinger
Treasury: Donald T. Regan
Defense: Caspar Weinberger
Attorney General: William French Smith
Interior: James Watt
Agriculture: John R. Block
Commerce: Malcolm Baldridge
Labor: Raymond Donovan
Health and Human Services: Margaret Heckler
HUD: Samuel Pierce (same as OTL)
Transportation: Elizabeth Dole
Energy: James B. Edwards
Education: William Bennett
CIA: George H. W. Bush
FBI: Clarence M. Kelley

President Edmund Muskie's Administration, 1973

WH Chief of Staff: Leon Billings
WH Press Secretary: George Christian
National Security Adviser: William Bundy
Secretary of State: Roswell Gilpatric
Secretary of Defense: Cyrus Vance
Secretary of the Treasury: Joseph Barr
Attorney General: Warren Christopher
Secretary of the Interior: Howard Samuels
Secretary of Agriculture: Orville Freeman
Secretary of Labor: Millard Cass
HUD: Robert C. Wood
FBI Director: William Mark Felt

 

[LAHistorian15]

Romney ‘68: WIP

President: Governor George W. Romney of Michigan (Republican)
Vice President: Governor Ronald W. Reagan of California (Republican)
Secretary of State: Former Vice President Richard M. Nixon of California (Republican)
Secretary of the Treasury: Governor Nelson A. Rockefeller of New York (Republican)
Secretary of Defense: Senator John G. Tower of Texas (Republican)
Attorney General: Senator Edward W. Brooke III of Massachusetts (Republican)
Postmaster General:
Secretary of the Interior: Representative Rogers C. B. Morton of Maryland (Republican)
Secretary of Agriculture: Governor Daniel J. Evans of Washington (Republican)
Secretary of Commerce: Representative George H. W. Bush of Texas (Republican)
Secretary of Labor: Governor Wally J. Hickel of Alaska (Republican)
Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare:
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development:
Secretary of Transportation: Governor John A. Volpe of Massachusetts (Republican)

Any Suggestions, Comments, or Changes I Should Make?

 

[Sir William Jol]

Romney ‘68: WIP

President: Governor George W. Romney of Michigan (Republican)
Vice President: Governor Ronald W. Reagan of California (Republican)
Secretary of State: Former Vice President Richard M. Nixon of California (Republican)
Secretary of the Treasury:
Secretary of Defense: Former Senator Barry M. Goldwater of Arizona (Republican)
Attorney General: Senator Edward W. Brooke III of Massachusetts (Republican)
Postmaster General:
Secretary of the Interior: Representative Rogers C. B. Morton of Maryland (Republican)
Secretary of Agriculture:
Secretary of Commerce: Senator Charles H. Percy of Illinois (Republican)
Secretary of Labor:
Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare: Governor Nelson A. Rockefeller of New York (Republican)
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development:
Secretary of Transportation:

Any Suggestions, Comments, or Changes I Should Make?

Rockefeller should be Secretary of the Treasury. HW Bush was on the House Ways and Means Committee and was the first freshman on it since 1904 so he could be a good Secretary of Commerce before he enters foreign affairs as a later Secretary of State or National Security Advisor. Daniel J. Evans would make a good Secretary of Energy later on due to his environmental policies while as Governor of Washington, and so would Wally Hickel (OTL's Interior Secretary). John Volpe would make a goof Secretary of Transportation (he was IOTL). Barry "I'd Nuke Vietnam" Goldwater as Secretary of Defense sounds like a nightmare, though Curtis LeMay would be another chaotic choice for some reason he sounds more realistic, especially if he didn't join Wallace's campaign (I believe he was just meant to be a placeholder until Happy Chandler accepted, which he didn't IOTL, though I may be thinking of Ross Perot's 1992 running mate James B. Stockdale). John Tower would make a good Secretary of Defense (I believe he was nominated by HW Bush in '89 but was the first cabinet member to he rejected by the Senate and Dick Cheney got the job).

 

[Onedotman]

Send ‘Em A Message: Wallace in 1972
President: George Wallace (D)
Vice-President: Shirley Chisholm (D)
Secretary of State: Edmund Muskie (D)
Secretary of the Treasury: Cyrus Vance (D)
Secretary of Defense: John Connally (D)
Attorney General: Henry M. Jackson (D)
Secretary of the Interior: Jimmy Carter (D)
Secretary of Labor: George McGovern (D)
Secretary of Agriculture: Arthur A. Link (D)
Secretary of Commerce: Juanita M. Kreps (D)
Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare: Joseph A. Califano Jr. (D)
Secretary of Education: Patsy Mink (D)

 

[LAHistorian15]

Gore 2000:

President: Vice President Al Gore (D-TN)
Vice President: Senator Joe Lieberman (D-CT)
Secretary of State: Ambassador to the United Nations Richard Holbrooke (D-NY)
Secretary of the Treasury: Secretary of the Treasury Lawrence Summers (D-MA)
Secretary of Defense: Representative Norm Dicks (D-WA)
Attorney General: Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder (D-DC)
Secretary of the Interior: Former Governor Bob Miller (D-NV)
Secretary of Agriculture: Representative Charles Stenholm (D-TX)
Secretary of Commerce: Director of the National Economic Council Gene Sperling (D-MI)
Secretary of Labor: Executive Vice-President of the AFL-CIO Linda Chavez-Thompson (D-TX)
Secretary of Health and Human Services: Administrator of the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services Nancy-Ann DeParle (D-MA)
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Former Mayor of Seattle Norm Rice (D-WA)
Secretary of Transportation: Secretary of Commerce Norman Mineta (D-CA)
Secretary of Energy: President of Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Shirley Ann Jackson (D-DC)
Secretary of Education: Governor Jim Hunt (D-NC)
Secretary of Veterans Affairs: Senator Bob Kerrey (D-NE)
Ambassador to the United Nations: Former Senator Sam Nunn (D-GA)
Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency: Former Chair of the Council on Environmental Quality Katie McGinty (D-PA)
Director of the Office of Management and Budget: Former Director of the Congressional Budget Office Robert Reischauer (D-DC)
United States Trade Representative: Director of the Office of Management and Budget Jack Lew (D-MA)
Chief of Staff: Former Chief of Staff to the Vice President Ron Klain (D-DC)

Feel free to suggest any changes I should make.

 

[Arrowfan237]

I think Max Cleland (D-GA) or Bob Kerrey (D-NE) would make the most sense for VA.

I think Shirley Ann Jackson would make sense for Energy given her service as Chair of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

I would say probably someone like Jack Lew or Leon Panetta or Ron Kirk would be best for Trade Rep.

For UN Ambassador I could definitely see someone like Sam Nunn or Colin Powell.

Also what role would Ron Klain take?

 

[LAHistorian15]

I think Max Cleland (D-GA) or Bob Kerrey (D-NE) would make the most sense for VA.

I’m going with Kerrey since Cleland is in the middle of his term and the Senate is split 50/50 with the Democrats only having a majority because of Lieberman in the Vice Presidency. Meanwhile, Kerrey is an outgoing Senator so he would be free for the position.

I think Shirley Ann Jackson would make sense for Energy given her service as Chair of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

Jackson has a long history as a physicist and worked under the Clinton Administration so she would work nicely.

I would say probably someone like Jack Lew or Leon Panetta or Ron Kirk would be best for Trade Rep.

Ron Kirk just got re-elected as Mayor of Dallas the year before so I don’t know if he would want to leave that position at that point in time. Jack Lew is a good choice being the incumbent Director of the Office of Management and Budget and worked in several positions during the Clinton Administration so I don’t think he would mind being rearranged in the Gore Cabinet. Panetta would make a good Director of Central Intelligence in the Gore Administration.

For UN Ambassador I could definitely see someone like Sam Nunn or Colin Powell.

Powell was more friendly with the Republicans being George W. Bush’s top choice for Secretary of State (the position he got IOTL). Nunn on the other hand was a speculative candidate for either Secretary of State or Defense in a Gore Cabinet so I’m going with him as Ambassador to the United Nations.

Also what role would Ron Klain take?

After thinking about, it Klain is the obvious choice for Chief of Staff under a Gore Presidency. Daley was more of a speculative candidate at best anyway.

Thanks for the help!

 

[Arrowfan237]

Designated Survivor

(SOS Hillary Clinton was abroad during the 2010 State of the Union Address but since her location was known she could not serve as the Designated Survivor, that role instead going to HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan. If an attack happened, though, Clinton still would have taken the reins as President as the most senior survivor)

President: Hillary Clinton
Vice President: Tom Ridge (my thinking was that Hillary would want somebody who came across as strong and had experience dealing with homeland security. She might also want to throw a bone to the Republicans to show that her administration would work on rebuilding a government for all Americans, with an understanding Ridge would only serve until after the 2012 election)

State: Richard Holbrooke
Defense: Wesley Clark
Treasury: Larry Summers
Attorney General: Deval Patrick
Interior: Sally Jewell
Agriculture: Brian Schweitzer
Commerce: Terry McAuliffe (is it a Hillary cabinet without him in this role?)
Labor: Robert Reich
HHS: Howard Dean
HUD: Shaun Donovan (continued from Obama)
Transportation: Jane Garvey
Education: Jim Hunt
Energy: Shirley Ann Jackson
Veterans Affairs: Claudia Kennedy
Homeland Security: Raymond Kelly

New Supreme Court (5-4 in favor of Liberals)

Chief Justice (Liberal): Diane Wood
Associate Justice (Liberal): Elena Kagan
Associate Justice (Liberal): Merrick Garland
Associate Justice (Liberal): Ann Claire Williams
Associate Justice (Liberal): Rubén Castillo
Associate Justice (Conservative): Paul Clement
Associate Justice (Conservative): Brian Sandoval
Associate Justice (Conservative): Diane Sykes
Associate Justice (Conservative): Frank Easterbrook

 

[Sir William Jol]

Designated Survivor

(SOS Hillary Clinton was abroad during the 2010 State of the Union Address but since her location was known she could not serve as the Designated Survivor, that role instead going to HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan. If an attack happened, though, Clinton still would have taken the reins as President as the most senior survivor)

President: Hillary Clinton
Vice President: Tom Ridge (my thinking was that Hillary would want somebody who came across as strong and had experience dealing with homeland security. She might also want to throw a bone to the Republicans to show that her administration would work on rebuilding a government for all Americans, with an understanding Ridge would only serve until after the 2012 election)

State: Richard Holbrooke
Defense: Wesley Clark
Treasury: Larry Summers
Attorney General: Deval Patrick
Interior: Sally Jewell
Agriculture: Brian Schweitzer
Commerce: Terry McAuliffe (is it a Hillary cabinet without him in this role?)
Labor: Robert Reich
HHS: Howard Dean
HUD: Shaun Donovan (continued from Obama)
Transportation: Jane Garvey
Education: Jim Hunt
Energy: Shirley Ann Jackson
Veterans Affairs: Claudia Kennedy
Homeland Security: Raymond Kelly

New Supreme Court (5-4 in favor of Liberals)

Chief Justice (Liberal): Diane Wood
Associate Justice (Liberal): Elena Kagan
Associate Justice (Liberal): Merrick Garland
Associate Justice (Liberal): Ann Claire Williams
Associate Justice (Liberal): Rubén Castillo
Associate Justice (Conservative): Paul Clement
Associate Justice (Conservative): Brian Sandoval
Associate Justice (Conservative): Diane Sykes
Associate Justice (Conservative): Frank Easterbrook

One nick pick is that Holbrooke died in 2010. I assume his health wouldn't be well enough for him to accept the position of SecState.

 

[Arrowfan237]

One nick pick is that Holbrooke died in 2010. I assume his health wouldn't be well enough for him to accept the position of SecState.

I had considered that, but he died of an aortic dissection (tear in his heart) and from what I can tell there wasn’t any warning to his condition. If it had been cancer or something I would have agreed but since it was just a random occurrence I don’t see a reason for him to turn it down.

 

[Arrowfan237]

In my first timeline actor Jimmy Stewart was elected Governor of California in 1958 and then was elected President in 1964.

Incoming cabinet of President Jimmy Stewart (1965-1973)

President: James “Jimmy” Stewart
Vice President: William Scranton
Secretary of State: former Vice-President Richard M. Nixon
Secretary of Defense: Lieutenant General William Westmoreland
Secretary of the Treasury: Milton Friedman
Secretary of the Interior: former Director of the National Parks Service Conrad L. Wirth
Secretary of Agriculture: U.S. Senator from Kansas Frank Carlson
Secretary of Labor: U.S. Senator from Maine Margaret Chase Smith
Secretary of Commerce: former Director of Bureau of the Budget Maurice Stans
Secretary of Veterans Affairs (upon creation of post): former Minnesota Governor Harold Stassen
Attorney General: Roy Cohn
Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare: President of John Hopkins University Milton S. Eisenhower
Solicitor General: Alexander Bickel
U.N. Ambassador: U.S. Representative from Minnesota Walter Judd

 

[Arrowfan237]

The cabinet of President Charles A. Lindbergh from Philip Roth’s novel The Plot Against America.

The only appointments stated in the book are Burton K. Wheeler as VP and Henry Ford at Interior. Everything else I made up.

President: Charles A Lindbergh
Vice President: Burton K Wheeler
State: Joseph P Kennedy Sr
War: Hanford MacNider
Treasury: William H. Regnery
Attorney General: Edwin Borchard
Interior: Henry Ford
Agriculture: George Peek
Labor: Robert Taft
Commerce: Robert E. Wood