That's missing the point. The idea is that the Han people are who presently live there are a different ethnic group, and it really has very little to do with whoever was living there before those areas are sinicised. Which is not entirely baseless. Different regions do have distinct identities, which this map approximates. It's just that the people see themselves as Han first, so there's not really any support for independence.
Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread
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Always wonder how plausible it would have been for Yunnan to have been divided between British ruled Burma and French Indochina, with the latter also gaining Zhuang majority (and other) territories that become part of French Indochina (later Laos and Vietnam).
Yunnan would be a challenge for both the British and French, yet was under the impression the Zhuang territories were a realistic possibility for the French had they been able to inflict a devastating defeat on the Qing in the Sino-French War.
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Proposals for the borders of the nascent United States during the Paris conference, quoting wikipedia:
And the Spanish Proposition:
In case anyone is interested in making maps, the description of the borders proposed by Spain are:
"Let us start at the western end of Lake Superior and follow the lake shores along as far as the end of Lake Erie or Oswego. These are positions which cannot leave lands back of them in dispute." [...] "Now we will drop the line down to the confluence of the Grand Kanawha with the Ohio," he continued, "thence to the apex of the innermost [i.e. westernmost] angle of South Carolina, so as to continue the demarcation toward some outstanding point, say a lake [Ou the Mitchell's Map used by the negotiators there is single lake near the boundary of East Florida, about 83° west longitude.], in the Apalache country, or the river George [the Altamaha river], without however going all the way, simply marking the beginning of the line so as to indicate it would go that way. We would have to stop before we get to the boundary of Georgia or of Florida until we know what their real boundaries are." Altamaha River is chosen in this representation.
French Proposition:
And the Spanish Proposition:
In case anyone is interested in making maps, the description of the borders proposed by Spain are:
"Let us start at the western end of Lake Superior and follow the lake shores along as far as the end of Lake Erie or Oswego. These are positions which cannot leave lands back of them in dispute." [...] "Now we will drop the line down to the confluence of the Grand Kanawha with the Ohio," he continued, "thence to the apex of the innermost [i.e. westernmost] angle of South Carolina, so as to continue the demarcation toward some outstanding point, say a lake [Ou the Mitchell's Map used by the negotiators there is single lake near the boundary of East Florida, about 83° west longitude.], in the Apalache country, or the river George [the Altamaha river], without however going all the way, simply marking the beginning of the line so as to indicate it would go that way. We would have to stop before we get to the boundary of Georgia or of Florida until we know what their real boundaries are." Altamaha River is chosen in this representation.
Spain was really ambitious, weren't they? I'm not even sure they colonized any of British Columbia or Alaska besides a couple outposts here and there. And only half a century later would they lose nearly all of their holdings in the Americas...Proposals for the borders of the nascent United States during the Paris conference, quoting wikipedia:
French Proposition:
And the Spanish Proposition:
In case anyone is interested in making maps, the description of the borders proposed by Spain are:
"Let us start at the western end of Lake Superior and follow the lake shores along as far as the end of Lake Erie or Oswego. These are positions which cannot leave lands back of them in dispute." [...] "Now we will drop the line down to the confluence of the Grand Kanawha with the Ohio," he continued, "thence to the apex of the innermost [i.e. westernmost] angle of South Carolina, so as to continue the demarcation toward some outstanding point, say a lake [Ou the Mitchell's Map used by the negotiators there is single lake near the boundary of East Florida, about 83° west longitude.], in the Apalache country, or the river George [the Altamaha river], without however going all the way, simply marking the beginning of the line so as to indicate it would go that way. We would have to stop before we get to the boundary of Georgia or of Florida until we know what their real boundaries are." Altamaha River is chosen in this representation.
On a lighter note, those borders for the US look very aesthetically pleasing. A nice, compact 13 state arrangement.
To be fair, the British also claimed a bunch of territories they simply didn't control except for a few outposts and coastal-eastern Canada. The French proposition seems to be the best (fairer) one, though.
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The first is flying somewhere in outer space and the second is under sea level.
Of course not. You still believe in those liberal lies don't you ? I bet you still think the moon isn't made of swiss cheese.
Given how long a lot of the Zhuang had been assimilated into China (not to mention a Han majority for Guangxi as a whole), it'll end up reunifying with China once the French colonial empire implodes if we're talking about Guangxi as a whole.
Even if it's just the border counties, the Zhuang would probably prefer to join China rather than stay in Vietnam for historical reasons (given that a lot, if not most Zhuang, would be living further into Guangxi).
Incorrect. The PRC has various levels of autonomous ethnic political entities for those groups, ranging from a province (the Zhuangs, in Guangxi) down to much smaller divisions.
Proposals for the borders of the nascent United States during the Paris conference, quoting wikipedia:
French Proposition:
And the Spanish Proposition:
In case anyone is interested in making maps, the description of the borders proposed by Spain are:
"Let us start at the western end of Lake Superior and follow the lake shores along as far as the end of Lake Erie or Oswego. These are positions which cannot leave lands back of them in dispute." [...] "Now we will drop the line down to the confluence of the Grand Kanawha with the Ohio," he continued, "thence to the apex of the innermost [i.e. westernmost] angle of South Carolina, so as to continue the demarcation toward some outstanding point, say a lake [Ou the Mitchell's Map used by the negotiators there is single lake near the boundary of East Florida, about 83° west longitude.], in the Apalache country, or the river George [the Altamaha river], without however going all the way, simply marking the beginning of the line so as to indicate it would go that way. We would have to stop before we get to the boundary of Georgia or of Florida until we know what their real boundaries are." Altamaha River is chosen in this representation.
Kinda had to guess with the borders, but here you go