It would probably affect his career positively as the film when released irl managed to do quite well at the box office, however this would probably eithier A) butterfly away Pulp Fiction or B) cause Pulp Fiction to made at a much later date affecting it's status. I wonder if would also affect Miramax as Pulp Fiction gave it a lot of credibility after the recent Disney buyout allowing it lots of financial and creative independence.
Pop Culture Timelines Go-To Thread
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I’ve spun up a Test Thread (spoilers, of course, but only for the first few parts so far) for timeline planning and what not—discussion welcome. I really need to get this show on the road hah. Major elements of the timeline include Hollywood, technology, trains, and making the world a tiny bit better of a place (don’t worry, Zeppelins will exist).
The POD is in 1975, the first six (of twelve, for season one) episodes however take place on and before October 20th, 1985 as we visit such interesting topics as Paramount, Atari, Disney (oh yes all the hits lol) and what exactly has been going on. The parallel political timeline will be set in 1976, 1980, 1984, and 1988 in addition to the twelve main episodes but cover ever so slightly wider than the American Presidential elections of those years. Plus a few Extras.
There’s a couple goals for this timeline, but important to it all is, as @Yes put it for their amazing McGoverning timeline (and spoiler alert: McGoverning will have some pop culture if the test thread holds true):
Far better than I could have put it, and I doubt I’ll do as good a job but that’s the plan. I want more pop culture timelines! Even if I have to write one, lol.
The POD is in 1975, the first six (of twelve, for season one) episodes however take place on and before October 20th, 1985 as we visit such interesting topics as Paramount, Atari, Disney (oh yes all the hits lol) and what exactly has been going on. The parallel political timeline will be set in 1976, 1980, 1984, and 1988 in addition to the twelve main episodes but cover ever so slightly wider than the American Presidential elections of those years. Plus a few Extras.
There’s a couple goals for this timeline, but important to it all is, as @Yes put it for their amazing McGoverning timeline (and spoiler alert: McGoverning will have some pop culture if the test thread holds true):
Far better than I could have put it, and I doubt I’ll do as good a job but that’s the plan. I want more pop culture timelines! Even if I have to write one, lol.
Ironically enough... reading through various reports from that time, it seems that Foxcontemplated buying Disney around 2004, when Disney was having some major corporate difficulties (the campaign to remove Eisner as studio head was in full swing).
There's a fun thing for someone to put in a TL with a POD in the early 2000s.
There's a fun thing for someone to put in a TL with a POD in the early 2000s.
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Oh, the irony XP and how things change so much.
Do you think Iger would still come around as chairman of Disney, under Fox?
I wonder how that'll change future films , they probably won't acquire Marvel or Pixar, but I could see Fox buying out Lucasfilms though. There probably won't be a MCU, and Marvel IPs will be spread around different film companies.
The X-Men and F4 were already at Fox so that won't change much.
Sony already had Spidey.
I think Universal had Hulk.
Now who would get Iron-Man, Capt., and Thor? Fox? Universal? Sony? Someone entirely else?
That would certainly be an interesting TL.
A word on the often tweaked scenes from Star Wars, the way they are presented in American Magic:
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...story-of-disney.397048/page-387#post-16633187
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...story-of-disney.397048/page-387#post-16633187
I don't know much about this thread, but I've always had a pop culture idea of a Tupac II, and a timeline about the development of a rapper in the 2000s that is praised through America, and the world and whose skills in rapping, and impact on the industry gives him the title of Tupac II. I had a few ideas on who that could be, but it could be someone completely fictional, but some ideas I had were
Lil Pump goes to Harvard and becomes Tupac II with even better rapping skills
TayK-47 goes to prison, but the hip-hop and rap community come together and bail him out of jail, and his songs gain viral success and become Tupac II.
I just always thought of an idea of Tupac II as interesting, and a second rapper as successful as Tupac.
Lil Pump goes to Harvard and becomes Tupac II with even better rapping skills
TayK-47 goes to prison, but the hip-hop and rap community come together and bail him out of jail, and his songs gain viral success and become Tupac II.
I just always thought of an idea of Tupac II as interesting, and a second rapper as successful as Tupac.
Wrestlemania 4 is prominently remembered by fans IOTL as the one where Randy "Macho Man" Savage won a tournament to become the new WWF Champion.
But in another timeline, he was only the Intercontinental Champion going into the show. And while the match he had with Bret Hart was one of the best in 'Mania history, that isn't what Wrestlemania 4 is remembered for ITTL.
Don't miss the latest update of Rise of the Dragon, where the WWF says goodbye to either Ricky Steamboat, or Hulk Hogan. Which one will it be? You'll have to read to find out...
I also wanted to talk about a Pop culture timeline of Ottomania.
Recently in Turkey, there has been a large resurgence of Ottoman Empire history in movies and Television.
It has been called Ottomania in the mainstream media.
however a good alternate timeline for Ottomania, is it not being restricted in major popularity to just Turkey, but Ottoman TV and movies become majorly popular, in Western Markets, such as Europe, and America. Some Ottoman titles are
1 Payitaht: Abdul Hamid- This show, which continues to rank high in Turkish viewer list, is about the life of Abdul Hamid II in the Ottoman Empire. It is seen as highly politicized by reviewers, and not historically accurate, but I leave that up too you.
2 1453 Conquest- The Turkish movie with the most expensive budget of all time, is about Mehmet II's conquest of Constantinople in 1453.
3 Resurrection Ertugal- This one is about the founding of the Ottoman Empire in Anatolia in 1299, and before.
4 ottoman Cowboys- A very wierd fish out of water story, is about two Ottoman's taken personally by the Sultan to deliver a Diamond, to the president of the United States......Yeah. Now someone tells me right now if this is real or not, because If so, I'm going to be living the best day ever.
5 The Last Ottoman: Knockout Ali: This is a story about an Ottoman World War I Veteran that has come back to fight for Mustafa Kemal Ataturk during the Turkish war for independence.
6 Gallipoli-End of the road: This story is about two Turkish brothers who leave home to fight in the front lines of Gallipoli. It's told in the Turkish perspective, and not the British.
There are many more, but movies like this, and a revival of Ottoman movies, and TV in Turkey called Ottomania, is an interesting thing, but the Alternate history is a pop culture timeline where these movies and TV make it into European, and American Markets, and become extremely popular their as well.
Recently in Turkey, there has been a large resurgence of Ottoman Empire history in movies and Television.
It has been called Ottomania in the mainstream media.
however a good alternate timeline for Ottomania, is it not being restricted in major popularity to just Turkey, but Ottoman TV and movies become majorly popular, in Western Markets, such as Europe, and America. Some Ottoman titles are
1 Payitaht: Abdul Hamid- This show, which continues to rank high in Turkish viewer list, is about the life of Abdul Hamid II in the Ottoman Empire. It is seen as highly politicized by reviewers, and not historically accurate, but I leave that up too you.
2 1453 Conquest- The Turkish movie with the most expensive budget of all time, is about Mehmet II's conquest of Constantinople in 1453.
3 Resurrection Ertugal- This one is about the founding of the Ottoman Empire in Anatolia in 1299, and before.
4 ottoman Cowboys- A very wierd fish out of water story, is about two Ottoman's taken personally by the Sultan to deliver a Diamond, to the president of the United States......Yeah. Now someone tells me right now if this is real or not, because If so, I'm going to be living the best day ever.
5 The Last Ottoman: Knockout Ali: This is a story about an Ottoman World War I Veteran that has come back to fight for Mustafa Kemal Ataturk during the Turkish war for independence.
6 Gallipoli-End of the road: This story is about two Turkish brothers who leave home to fight in the front lines of Gallipoli. It's told in the Turkish perspective, and not the British.
There are many more, but movies like this, and a revival of Ottoman movies, and TV in Turkey called Ottomania, is an interesting thing, but the Alternate history is a pop culture timeline where these movies and TV make it into European, and American Markets, and become extremely popular their as well.
In which we find out what Sailor Moon would be like if she had been working class:
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/tliapod-no-conclusion.422542/page-3#post-16753478
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/tliapod-no-conclusion.422542/page-3#post-16753478
Has anyone discussed @President_Lincoln’s TL yet? It’s not fully pop culture but a large segment focuses on it.
In which we swap the supernatural for super-duper computer viruses:
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/tliapod-no-conclusion.422542/page-3#post-16797581
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/tliapod-no-conclusion.422542/page-3#post-16797581
Hello fellow pop culture fanatics. I've started working on my late 60's Batman film series again. Here is the original post but I'm going to repost it here as well. the-best-movies-never-made.11413/page-71 Look out for The Batman Returns tomorrow. Let me know if you want me to repost that here as well.
The Batman(1968)
Directed by Arthur Penn
Written by David Newman and Robert Benton
Cinematography by Burnett Guffey
Music Composed by Charles Strouse
A Warner Brothers Production
Starring:
Steve McQueen as Bruce Wayne/The Batman
David Niven as Alfred Pennyworth
Warren Beatty as Assistant District Attorney Harvey Dent
Faye Dunaway as Vicky Vale
Gene Hackman as Detective James Gordon
Sidney Poitier as Lou "Fox" Finger
Anthony Hopkins as Oswald "The Penguin" Cobblepot
Al Pacino as Salvatore "The Boss" Maroni
Walter Slezak as District Attorney Rodger Caine
Chad McQueen as Child Bruce
Kent Smith as Dr. Thomas Wayne
Mary Wickes as Martha Wayne
Adam West as Joe Chill
Kurt Russel as Young Bruce
The film opens with the mythical origin story of Batman. Young Bruce Wayne's parents are murdered at the hands of a small-time crook(Adam West) as he attempts to mug them while leaving a movie theater. Bruce is traumatized by the event being powerless to stop the criminal. He vows to avenge their deaths by dedicating his mind and body to stopping crime in Gotham City. His butler and now guardian/surrogate father Alfred Pennyworth(David Niven) promises to help him accomplish this vow. A short montage is shown detailing this transformation showing a young Bruce graduating with the highest honors, travelling the world learning various martial arts, and becoming an accomplished race car driver.
Flash forward as Bruce(Steve McQueen) returns to Gotham City to take control of his family's corporation Wayne Enterprises. Bruce learns from his old friend, Harvey Dent(Warren Beatty), who rose to Assistant District Attorney that he is losing out to rampant corruption within the Justice Department and the Police Department of Gotham. He reveals that Gotham has been embroiled in an intense gang war between the Italian mafia led by Sal Maroni(Al Pacino) and the Penguin mob led by the aristocratic Oswald "The Penguin" Cobblepot(Anthony Hopkins). The unpredictable and sadistic Sal has taken control of the family after his father was recently murdered by the Penguin. Bruce dressed in a simple disguise ventures into Gotham's criminal underbelly in order to gain some intelligence on the gangs. Bruce injects himself upon a confrontation of Maroni's and the Penguin's men intentionally bringing himself into the conflict. Bruce manages to take on several of the gangsters before he is overwhelmed and is badly beaten by members of both gangs.
Awoken later by a detective, James "Jim" Gordon(Gene Hackman). Jim not recognizing Bruce as anyone frequenting the area, he questions his motives of being in the area. Through this conversation Bruce learns that Det. Gordon is a good honest cop trying to make a difference in the corrupted police force. In the middle of the conversation Bruce disappears while Gordon is momentarily distracted. Sometime afterwards Bruce makes his way to Wayne Enterprises for his first day as CEO. Bruce is shown to be very withdrawn from the dullness of the work. Until he stumbles upon the Research and Development division headed by a young scientist named Lou "Fox" Finger(Sidney Poitier). Fox introduces Bruce to some prototypes for armor, portable radio technology, weapons, and an experimental race car(a custom built Ford GT40). Another montage is shown of Bruce, Alfred, and Fox converting the prototypes into his well known Batsuit, Batarangs, Grappling Hook, and Batmobile. Then converting a cave under his mansion into the Batcave. Fox is curious of Bruce's motives but promises to keep their project secret for Bruce. Bruce then sets out on his first night as the Batman.
He first stops a mugging eerily similar to the one that killed his parents. He soon manages to find himself in another conflict between the warring gangs. This time fully prepared as Batman he manages to take out both parties with utter ruthlessness. On the verge of killing one of the assailants Bruce has a flashback of a conversation with Alfred. In which Alfred assures him of his need to avenge his parents but that he must be careful that he may become the criminals he intends to stop. Bruce realizing his role releases the criminal as sirens begin to close in on the scene of the conflict. The next day, news media outlets surround the Gotham P.D. questioning the events of the conflict, included is star reporter Vicky Vale(Faye Dunaway). Everyone wants to know who is the mysterious "Batman" that all the gang-members insist captured them and left them for the police.
While Batman continues his war on both criminal organizations the police increasingly push against him. This culminates in an exciting car chase through Gotham's overpasses and dimly lit underpasses. We also see Vale investigating the criminals and the Batman. She bites off more than she can chew when she's abducted by some of Penguin's henchmen. Right before she's murdered though Batman rescues her. Batman reveals to her that with his deductive prowess he managed to find a link between both The Penguin and Sal Maroni, the District Attorney Rodger Caine(Walter Slezak). Batman tries to dissuade Vale from continuing pursuing the criminals or himself but Vale isn't interested. Batman then sets up a meeting between himself, Detective Gordon, and ADA Harvey Dent to discuss a proposal. Vale shows up uninvited to the meeting. Batman informs them that a meeting between the corrupt DA and both criminals will be taking place due to his interference in their organizations. The two rivals have decided on a truce to fight the common enemy of the Batman. Batman arrives at the meeting and an epic fight between him and the two gangs ensues. Detective Gordon and the GCPD arrive and apprehend the DA and Maroni for their crimes. While Batman pursues the Penguin who had escaped during the initial battle. Armed with his signature umbrella gun Penguin puts up a fight before Batman finally subdues him for the GCPD.
The next day Gordon and Dent take credit for the sting and deny the existence of the Batman. Vale breaks the story as well collaborating with Gordon and Dent's claims. Dent becomes DA and prepares for his first trial as DA, against Maroni. The Penguin is sentenced to Arkham Asylum. Batman finds there are still more and worse criminals to fight. Just before the credits roll Maroni is in his cell with a hidden package containing a mysterious bottle.
Some production notes...
Arthur Penn was heavily influenced by the French New Wave when making the Batman. Rapid camera movement and choppy editing accentuated the many action sequences. Despite the comic book source material Penn wanted a gritty realistic crime-drama tone. This was furthered by the cinematography of acclaimed noir specialist Burnett Guffey. He used an almost black and white lighting for most of the film. Charles Strouse's soundtrack was often times understated and quiet but bombastic and chaotic at others. Gotham City came to life by shooting on location in New York City, Boston, Chicago, and Los Angeles. A number of sets were also built on the Warner Bros. lot including the Bat Cave. Acclaimed stunt driver Carey Loftin supervised the special effects and coordinated the stunts. He, McQueen, and Bud Ekins created the most highly celebrated and awarded chase scenes ever seen in film. Loftin and McQueen worked with a team of Ford engineers led by who else than Carrol Shelby to customize a Mk. IV GT40 into the famous Batmobile. Special effects makeup artist Dick Smith's role in the first film was subtle but extraordinary, making McQueen young again and transforming Anthony Hopkins into the Penguin in particular. Another exciting crew member was McQueen's martial arts teacher and friend, Bruce Lee, who choreographed all the fight scenes and played several goons that McQueen beat up. The young cast stole the show from the veteran leads in particular the two actors who played the villains, Hopkins and Pacino. Hopkins managed to evoke both a comedic yet fearsome tone for his take on the character. Pacino controlled every scene his character was in displaying the unhinged psychosis of his character by extreme examples of both underacting and overacting, that worked surprisingly well. Arthur Penn set out to make the film as a kind of zeitgeist for the young generation of the counterculture, while he accomplished this. The film became a hit with the older generation as well with it's noir influence. Both critically and commercially acclaimed the film received several Academy nominations but the film didn't take any awards home. But there were more Batman film's to come. And Penn would head them up with the same cast and crew.
The Batman(1968)
Directed by Arthur Penn
Written by David Newman and Robert Benton
Cinematography by Burnett Guffey
Music Composed by Charles Strouse
A Warner Brothers Production
Starring:
Steve McQueen as Bruce Wayne/The Batman
David Niven as Alfred Pennyworth
Warren Beatty as Assistant District Attorney Harvey Dent
Faye Dunaway as Vicky Vale
Gene Hackman as Detective James Gordon
Sidney Poitier as Lou "Fox" Finger
Anthony Hopkins as Oswald "The Penguin" Cobblepot
Al Pacino as Salvatore "The Boss" Maroni
Walter Slezak as District Attorney Rodger Caine
Chad McQueen as Child Bruce
Kent Smith as Dr. Thomas Wayne
Mary Wickes as Martha Wayne
Adam West as Joe Chill
Kurt Russel as Young Bruce
The film opens with the mythical origin story of Batman. Young Bruce Wayne's parents are murdered at the hands of a small-time crook(Adam West) as he attempts to mug them while leaving a movie theater. Bruce is traumatized by the event being powerless to stop the criminal. He vows to avenge their deaths by dedicating his mind and body to stopping crime in Gotham City. His butler and now guardian/surrogate father Alfred Pennyworth(David Niven) promises to help him accomplish this vow. A short montage is shown detailing this transformation showing a young Bruce graduating with the highest honors, travelling the world learning various martial arts, and becoming an accomplished race car driver.
Flash forward as Bruce(Steve McQueen) returns to Gotham City to take control of his family's corporation Wayne Enterprises. Bruce learns from his old friend, Harvey Dent(Warren Beatty), who rose to Assistant District Attorney that he is losing out to rampant corruption within the Justice Department and the Police Department of Gotham. He reveals that Gotham has been embroiled in an intense gang war between the Italian mafia led by Sal Maroni(Al Pacino) and the Penguin mob led by the aristocratic Oswald "The Penguin" Cobblepot(Anthony Hopkins). The unpredictable and sadistic Sal has taken control of the family after his father was recently murdered by the Penguin. Bruce dressed in a simple disguise ventures into Gotham's criminal underbelly in order to gain some intelligence on the gangs. Bruce injects himself upon a confrontation of Maroni's and the Penguin's men intentionally bringing himself into the conflict. Bruce manages to take on several of the gangsters before he is overwhelmed and is badly beaten by members of both gangs.
Awoken later by a detective, James "Jim" Gordon(Gene Hackman). Jim not recognizing Bruce as anyone frequenting the area, he questions his motives of being in the area. Through this conversation Bruce learns that Det. Gordon is a good honest cop trying to make a difference in the corrupted police force. In the middle of the conversation Bruce disappears while Gordon is momentarily distracted. Sometime afterwards Bruce makes his way to Wayne Enterprises for his first day as CEO. Bruce is shown to be very withdrawn from the dullness of the work. Until he stumbles upon the Research and Development division headed by a young scientist named Lou "Fox" Finger(Sidney Poitier). Fox introduces Bruce to some prototypes for armor, portable radio technology, weapons, and an experimental race car(a custom built Ford GT40). Another montage is shown of Bruce, Alfred, and Fox converting the prototypes into his well known Batsuit, Batarangs, Grappling Hook, and Batmobile. Then converting a cave under his mansion into the Batcave. Fox is curious of Bruce's motives but promises to keep their project secret for Bruce. Bruce then sets out on his first night as the Batman.
He first stops a mugging eerily similar to the one that killed his parents. He soon manages to find himself in another conflict between the warring gangs. This time fully prepared as Batman he manages to take out both parties with utter ruthlessness. On the verge of killing one of the assailants Bruce has a flashback of a conversation with Alfred. In which Alfred assures him of his need to avenge his parents but that he must be careful that he may become the criminals he intends to stop. Bruce realizing his role releases the criminal as sirens begin to close in on the scene of the conflict. The next day, news media outlets surround the Gotham P.D. questioning the events of the conflict, included is star reporter Vicky Vale(Faye Dunaway). Everyone wants to know who is the mysterious "Batman" that all the gang-members insist captured them and left them for the police.
While Batman continues his war on both criminal organizations the police increasingly push against him. This culminates in an exciting car chase through Gotham's overpasses and dimly lit underpasses. We also see Vale investigating the criminals and the Batman. She bites off more than she can chew when she's abducted by some of Penguin's henchmen. Right before she's murdered though Batman rescues her. Batman reveals to her that with his deductive prowess he managed to find a link between both The Penguin and Sal Maroni, the District Attorney Rodger Caine(Walter Slezak). Batman tries to dissuade Vale from continuing pursuing the criminals or himself but Vale isn't interested. Batman then sets up a meeting between himself, Detective Gordon, and ADA Harvey Dent to discuss a proposal. Vale shows up uninvited to the meeting. Batman informs them that a meeting between the corrupt DA and both criminals will be taking place due to his interference in their organizations. The two rivals have decided on a truce to fight the common enemy of the Batman. Batman arrives at the meeting and an epic fight between him and the two gangs ensues. Detective Gordon and the GCPD arrive and apprehend the DA and Maroni for their crimes. While Batman pursues the Penguin who had escaped during the initial battle. Armed with his signature umbrella gun Penguin puts up a fight before Batman finally subdues him for the GCPD.
The next day Gordon and Dent take credit for the sting and deny the existence of the Batman. Vale breaks the story as well collaborating with Gordon and Dent's claims. Dent becomes DA and prepares for his first trial as DA, against Maroni. The Penguin is sentenced to Arkham Asylum. Batman finds there are still more and worse criminals to fight. Just before the credits roll Maroni is in his cell with a hidden package containing a mysterious bottle.
Some production notes...
Arthur Penn was heavily influenced by the French New Wave when making the Batman. Rapid camera movement and choppy editing accentuated the many action sequences. Despite the comic book source material Penn wanted a gritty realistic crime-drama tone. This was furthered by the cinematography of acclaimed noir specialist Burnett Guffey. He used an almost black and white lighting for most of the film. Charles Strouse's soundtrack was often times understated and quiet but bombastic and chaotic at others. Gotham City came to life by shooting on location in New York City, Boston, Chicago, and Los Angeles. A number of sets were also built on the Warner Bros. lot including the Bat Cave. Acclaimed stunt driver Carey Loftin supervised the special effects and coordinated the stunts. He, McQueen, and Bud Ekins created the most highly celebrated and awarded chase scenes ever seen in film. Loftin and McQueen worked with a team of Ford engineers led by who else than Carrol Shelby to customize a Mk. IV GT40 into the famous Batmobile. Special effects makeup artist Dick Smith's role in the first film was subtle but extraordinary, making McQueen young again and transforming Anthony Hopkins into the Penguin in particular. Another exciting crew member was McQueen's martial arts teacher and friend, Bruce Lee, who choreographed all the fight scenes and played several goons that McQueen beat up. The young cast stole the show from the veteran leads in particular the two actors who played the villains, Hopkins and Pacino. Hopkins managed to evoke both a comedic yet fearsome tone for his take on the character. Pacino controlled every scene his character was in displaying the unhinged psychosis of his character by extreme examples of both underacting and overacting, that worked surprisingly well. Arthur Penn set out to make the film as a kind of zeitgeist for the young generation of the counterculture, while he accomplished this. The film became a hit with the older generation as well with it's noir influence. Both critically and commercially acclaimed the film received several Academy nominations but the film didn't take any awards home. But there were more Batman film's to come. And Penn would head them up with the same cast and crew.
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I know just liked the idea of included him in. Just imagine it being a generic R and D guy if you want to keep it plausible. I couldn't resist having Poitier play Fox.
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