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even in OTL in WW2 working with U.S. government. The Loony Tunes, have been anarchist in tendacy.
Oswald Mosley, Grand Protector of the Union of Britain.
Oswald Mosley rode a wave of discontent with the Federalist establishment and with the added momentum of the Totalist charter, secured the position of Chairman of the Union of Britain. He immediately went to work on increasing the power of the Chairman, culminating in his combination of the position of Chairman and General Secretary into the position of Grand Protector, and militarizing Britain, he expanded the Republican Navy and Air force, went about the disbandment of the militias and their reformation into a proper army, on the basis of preparing for the inevitable war with Germany, which to his credit, would come in time. One of his most controversial acts was securing an alliance with the Eurasian Pact in an anti-German alliance, many since then have criticized Mosley for this alliance, but it was through this alliance did the Internationale have a chance of emerging triumphant in the 2nd Weltkrieg.
Oswald Mosley has since the war's end became a very controversial figure, with many hating him for his authoritarianism, in particular the jailing or murder of dissidents during his time, alongside his alliance with the Eurasian Pact, while others have praised his leadership leading to and during the war, and his stepping down after the war and officially separating the position of Grand Protector back to Chairman and General Secretary (1). When news of his death came in 1980, there were strong mixed reactions around, with many Britons celebrating the death of "The second Cromwell" or "Oswald I", alongside others who mourned for the death of a great statesmen and leader.
(1) Though historians noted that Mosley was probably aware that the British people were tiring of his authoritarianism and most likely stepped down rather than risk being overthrown.
Milton Friedman, father of "Syndicalism with American Characteristics".
A native New-Yorker who moved to Chicago, Milton Friedman spent most of his early years studying the reasons for the continuing failures of the American economy, and radicalized by his findings, he aligned himself with the Syndicalists during the 2nd American Civil War. After the war's end, he found a profession as a professor in the University of Chicago(1), during which he, alongside his colleagues, wrote "Syndicalism and Freedom", a novel which argues for a combination of America's entrepreneurial spirit with Syndicalism, or "Syndicalism with American Characteristics" (2) as he called it. "Syndicalism and Freedom" would become a hugely influential novel in the Socialist Republic of America, serving as the de facto economic handbook of the Federalist party, and launched Milton Friedman to prominence.
(1) The University of Chicago would soon become synonymous with "Syndicalism with American Characteristics", with many of its alumni advancing Milton Friedman's ideas and adjusting them for the modern age and beyond.
(2) Some of its tenants are, an economy run by cooperatives, a land value tax and negative income tax.
Here's a map that I made of my idea of the world of Kaiserreich in the year of 2018, and also in 2019.
What's the geopolitics like
An Iranian soldier feeds his regiment's mascot, Rostam, during the Russian invasion of Iran. Victory against the Ottoman Empire would not be the end of problems for the Kingdom of Egypt and the Shahdom of Iran. Desiring to secure ever more oil, threaten the German-held Suez Canal, and confident that "The Slavonic master race will have no problems with the Mohammedan scum" Boris Savinkov invaded the Cairo Pact in 1942, alongside the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, which felt cheated out of any gains in the war. Although the Russians initially made headway they were halted by determined resistance- and perhaps no group resisted more heroically than the 2 Artillery support company, attached to Third Infantry Division in General Reza Khan's Second Army; they and their mascot, Rostam the bear (rescued by the soldiers as a cub when his home was destroyed in fighting around Tehran). Rostam served with the Iranian army in battlefields from Tehran to Isfahan, the turning point in the Iranian campaign. He was with the Iranians right until the end of the war, ending the war by assisting in the liberation of one of Savinkov's infamous Kagorda extermination camps, where his gentle, playful nature provided comfort to those German, Muslim, and Roma children who had been through hell. Rostam would live out the rest of his days in a spacious enclosure in Tehran zoo, where he was visited many times by his former comrades in arms.
A rare photo of Sergeant Vladimir Sergeyevich, 1953
General Sergei Lakhnev in 1952, during a training session
Two unidentified members of Trotsky’s army during training
A Trotskyite soldier prepares to shoot
Well he's in the public domain, so this could actually happen now...
Congress of the Esquerda Democrática in Brazil for the 1936 election. The Esquerda Democrática or ED was a united front of members of many moderate left wing ideologies on a attempt to elect a left leaning government in Brazil.
Brazilian integralist rally, 1936. The Integralist Action was a brazilian catholic nationalist party similar to the government that took over Sicily on the same year or the Portuguese Integralists. The party failed to elect Gustavo Barroso as the brazilian president due the massive media blockade in favour of Getúlio Vargas and Júlio Prestes.
Getúlio Vargas inauguration, 1936. Getúlio Vargas (1882-1973) was the longest ruling Brazilian president but also a de facto dictator for most of his rule.
Walt Disney exiled in Brazil. After the Totalists took over of the Pacific states of America the Disney Studies were nationalized, thus prompting him to move to Brazil, resulting in the production of more South American orientated movies, like "Alô amigos"
Brazilian house ruined due combat on the interstate war, 1928.
Confiscated integralist equipment (1939). After couping his own government Vargas used his power to crush both the far left and the far right. The photo above was taken after a raid on a regional AIB headquarters.
Italian designed CV-35 tanks in Brazil. The adoption of the italian model made sense for Brazil as it could be internally produced and at the same time was a reliable alternative for the upgraded versions of the FT-17 used in Argentina.
Memes in my world
Why Oswald Mosley decided to resign instead of running for reelection.
Oswald Mosley's reasoning for his repressive actions during his tenure as leader of Britain.
Milton Friedman responding to criticisms about "Syndicalism and Freedom".
Erica Mendez, the Pacific States english voice actor of Rylee Matson  in the english dub of Kill la Kill and Nikki Yawen  in the english dub of Love Live!.
 OTL Ryoko Matoi
 OTL Nico Yawaza
SRI Republican Guard patrolling the border with the hermit-nation of Nationalist Italy
The SRI, despite their best efforts was not able to unite all of Italy, the lands beyond the Po River eluding them due to it being an official member of the NatPop Eurasian Pact and general war exhaustion. The border between the two Italy's have remained extremely tense and militarized, even after the collapse of the Eurasian Pact in the late 20th century.
Matteo Salvini, the current Duce of Nationalist Italy
Seizing power after the death of the previous Duce, Silvio Berlusconi, Salvini is well known as the leader of the hermit-nation of Nationalist Italy, he has made a strong policy of cracking down on any Italian citizens trying to flee past the Po River and into the Socialist Republic of Italy. He is widely mocked around the world for his rhetoric on the power and respect Nationalist Italy holds, despite it being a hermit nation with thousands of its own citizens attempting to flee it.
Where are the real photos from? just asking for fun.
The the first I think is a photo from the russian civil war, the second an actual mongol veteran of WW2, the third I'm unsure.
It took me a while to write this, and it came out pretty long, but I really had fun writing this and coming up with ideas. Anyways, here is my take on what The New Order: Last Days of Europe would be like in the world of Kaiserreich. Credit goes to DanielXie for this idea, especially with regards to Russia, as well as the following Reddit thread where many of the ideas in this post came from. The images come from both DanielXie's post and the Reddit thread.
His original post is linked below;
The Reddit thread is linked below;
The two logos for The New Order: Last Days of Europe, a mod for the WKII-era strategy video-game Hearts of Iron IV. The mod takes place in an alternate history in which the Third Internationale of Sorelian France under Georges Valois, Maximist Britain under Oswald Mosely and Totalist Italy under Benito Mussolini and the Russian State under Boris Savinkov and the Empire of Japan all won the Second Weltkrieg against the German Empire and the Stahlpakt and its other allies.
The Point of Divergence is in 1936 when, in the Dominion of Canada, Bill C-7 is struck down in the Canadian House of Lords, leading to the fall of Prime Minister Mackenzie King's Liberal government and the appointment of a new Conservative government under Prime Minister R. B. Bennett, further leading to a much weaker Canadian Military and Industrial Complex in the lead up to the Second Weltkrieg. After that, things continue to change. In Flanders-Walloonia, both nations become separate independent puppet states of the German Empire. After the chaotic Norwegian elections of 1936, Vidkun Quisling becomes the leader of Norway, with Sweden becoming a National Populist dictatorship soon afterwards. The Belgrade Pact of the Serbian State under Dimitrije Ljotić and Legionary Romania defeat both Bulgaria and the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the latter of which failed to reform in any way following the 1937 Ausgleich negotiations. It is also during this war that Italo Balbo's Legionnaire Italy, in an unofficial alliance with the Belgrade Pact, declares war on Austria-Hungary and gains new land in Tyrol, the Adriatic and Dalmatia. Greece undergoes a civil war between the republic and the syndicalists, with the syndicalists under Nikos Zachariadis winning and joining the Third Internationale. The Empire of Brazil, without having even crowned the emperor, descends into civil war and completely balkanizes/italianizes. The Dominionists win the South African Civil War and South Africa joins the Entente. Liberia becomes a Totalist dictatorship. The Iberian Federation wins the Spanish Civil War and then joins the Third Internationale. In September, 1939, the Second Weltkrieg begins. During the Second Weltkrieg, the Third Internationale, the Russian State and the Empire of Japan gain many victories against the German Empire and its Stahlpakt allies. In 1943, the two alliances get into an unofficial grand alliance with the the signing of an altered version of the "Mosley-Derental Pact of 1943," and this facilitates an easy win against the German Empire, and then against the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Meanwhile, a Canadian and Entente invasion of the British home islands fails with Mosely's "Fortress Britain" repelling any and all troop landings. The United States of America does at all not assist in the invasion of the British home islands, as they are still embroiled in the Second American Civil War.
After the end of the war in 1945, the German Empire and the Stahlpakt and the Austro-Hungarian Empire are divided between the Third Internationale and the Russian State, with new client states emerging from the peace, with the rest of the former empires turning into various warlord states. Italy remains divided between the Socialist Republic of Italy, which annexed Sardinia, Italo Balbo’s Legionnaire Italy, the Integralist Kingdom of the Two Sicilies and the Papal State. The Commune of France annexes Algiers, Oran and Constantine in Algeria, with the rest of French Africa breaking off into warlord states or descending into complete anarchy. Switzerland is divided between the Commune of France and Legionnaire Italy, with the German remnant as the Commune of Switzerland. Ireland is annexed by the Union of Britain. The Netherlands, Flanders, Walloonia and Denmark all become new members of the Third Internationale, with Quisling's Norway annexing the Faeroe Islands, Iceland and Greenland from Denmark. The Empire of Japan annexes all German Asian and Pacific colonies and dominates Asia, with what was once the Qing Empire of China breaking apart and losing control over its warlord allies and with China further descending into more warlord states. Japan and the Co-Prosperity Sphere not only dominate China and the Pacific, but also the Philippines, Indochina, Indonesia and Hawaii. In North America, the defeated Dominion of Canada is one of the last bastions of global democracy, as is the West Indies Federation and the Republic of New England. To the south, the Combined Syndicates of America wins the Second American Civil War, with William Z. Foster of the Totalist faction becoming the new President of the Commonwealth of America, which then joins the Third Internationale. In India, the Bharatiya Commune defeats the Dominion of India, while the Princely Federation has broken apart into different kingdoms. In Latin America, Mexico, Cuba, Haiti and Peru have all fallen under National Populism, while Argentina has re-unified under the Totalist FOB as the Argentine Commune. In Africa, Herman Goering's Mittelafrika declares independence from the disbanded German Empire and then declares himself King-Emperor of the Empire of Mittleafrika, with a rival German government-in-exile under Alfred Hugenberg being set up in German Südwestafrika. In Oceania, Australasia is another one of the last bastions of democracy and is still allied with Canada.
Throughout the rest of the 1940s, the 1950s and the early 1960s, numerous new developments occur. As a result of being increasingly disillusioned and hostile towards the Totalism of the Third Internationale, the Iberian Federation, Greece and the Turkish Commune form the "Fourth Internationale" also known as the "People's Triumvirate." The Dominion of Canada establishes the Organization of Free Nations with Australasia, the West Indies Federation, New England, Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Uruguay, Centroamerica, the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and South Africa in an effort to fight for democracy against the alliances of both Revolutionary Socialism and National Populism. As a result, a "Cold War" begins between the major alliance blocs of the world, with most major world powers having nuclear arsenals. The major alliance blocs are the Third Internationale, the Russian Alliance, the Fourth Internationale or Peoples Triumvirate, the OFN, the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere and the Arab League. Soon afterwards, the Commune of France and its German lapdogs fight a guerrilla war against the partisans and warlords of Germany and Austria, with France's German puppets losing much territory in the process to the warlord states. In Russia, Boris Savinkov has established the "Protectorate of Pribaltika" in what was once the Baltics and East Prussia as a military-run autonomous protectorate for the increasingly troublesome Anastasy Vonsiatsky and his Black Guard or Chernaya gvardiya. In Canada, R.B. Bennet was forced to resign after losing the war, and his successor George Drew lost the election of 1946 to Louis St. Laurent of the Liberal Party. With the Conservative Party having lost much of its power and influence, an agreement was made with the Liberal Party to merge into one big tent party known as the Liberal-Conservative Party. In response, the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation and Social Credit, as well as different socialists and national populists, merged into an anti-establishment big tent party known as the "National Co-operative Commonwealth Federation" (NCCF), with a far-left faction led by Tim Buck, a center-left populist faction led by Tommy Douglas, a center-right populist faction led by Ernest Manning and a far-right faction led by the Pro-Russian Adrien Arcand.
The game begins on New Year's Day of 1962, and the sobering and tense peace that has existed for seventeen years since the end of the Second Weltkrieg is no longer meant to last for much longer. Numerous territorial disputes exist between Greece and Turkey, and these territorial conflicts that threaten to escalate and usher in the collapse of the Peoples Triumvirate. In the Commune of France, Chairman Georges Valois, at almost 84 years-old, is expected to die soon, and the leadership of the Commune will go to either his protégé Maurice Thorez, who will continue the status quo, or to his erstwhile rival Benoît Frachon, who can leave the Third Internationale and join with the Iberian Federation to became the new leader of the Fourth Internationale, whether Greece and Turkey had left the alliance or not, and then to steer France and Europe back towards Orthodox Syndicalism and away from Communism, Marxist-Leninism and Totalism, something which is sure to anger both the Union of Britain and the Socialist Republic of Italy. In the Commonwealth of America, William Z. Foster is ready is announce his retirement, and many fear a new civil war between his Marxist-Leninist-Communist faction under Earl Browder, the Moderate Socialists of Michael Harrington, the Orthodox Syndicalists of Eugene Dennis and the Ultra-Communists of Gus Hall, as well as uprisings by pro-capitalist and pro-democracy groups. Meanwhile, in Africa, the authoritarian Kingdom of Portugal-in-exile based in Angola is becoming increasingly unstable, and Goering's Kingdom of Mittelafrika, which has become increasingly friendly towards the Russian State and is rumored to be developing a nuclear program, is almost certain to take advantage of this. In Ottawa and Toronto, the Canadian government and the OFN have began formulating plans to assist one of the last "democratic" states on the African continent, even if it means a long, protracted and even unpopular war. In the Russian State, economic mismanagement has bought the new empire to the brink of collapse, and Boris Savinkov, now 83 years-old, is in failing health and is increasingly frail and senile. Soon after the start of the game, in January, 1962, Russia has just landed Yuri Gagarin as the first man on the moon, and as the health of Boris Savinkov continues to decline, all factions from internal reformists led by industrialist and Arms Minister Alexei Kosygin, to the status-quo Voynists of Field Marshall Sergei Bunyachenko, to army hardliners led by General Mikhail Meandrov to the Black Guard led by Konstantin Rodzaevsky, are themselves all planning to overthrow him and even each other.
What is even more disturbing are the goals of the leader of the Black Guard, Konstantin Rodzaevsky, as well as his close colleague Anastasy Vonsiatsky, the leader of the Russian Protectorate of Pribaltika and the Pribaltik Black Guard, with Pribaltika having acquired nuclear weapons and having become increasingly independent from Russian control as a totalitarian state where all citizens are forced to live a regimented, military lifestyle where all luxuries are forbidden and to do manual work for the state under intense surveillance, lest they face brutal punishment. With Rodzaevsky and Vonsiatsky already having had disagreements with Savinkov over the latter's staunch resistance to antisemitism, both feel that the Russian State has gone too corrupt and weak under the aging Savinkov, and have thus developed a new ideology; Ultra-National Populism, also known as the Pribaltik System, an ideology that advocates for intense Russian and Slavic nationalism and racial superiority and the implantation of a regimented and militaristic neo-spartan lifestyle free of all luxuries, with all citizens working for the betterment of the military and state, with Rodzaevsky and Vonsiatsky personally seeking to unleash a nuclear holocaust that will cleanse the world of non-Slavic races. This ideology also followed by Lev Okhotin, the leader of Protectorate of Transcaspia in northern Iran, with Okhotin ruling over said protectorate as a personal fiefdom under his iron fist. Operating from a fortified stronghold in the forests of what was once East Prussia outside of Savinkovgrad (formerly Königsberg), Vonsiatsky seeks to fund his colleague and the leader of the Russian branch of the Black Guard Konstantin Rodzaevsky and the leader of the elite Combat Guards or Boyevaya gvardiya Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn to secure victory in the almost inevitable coming civil war, and he seeks to manipulate all of the factions into achieving his and Rodzaevsky's apocalyptic goals.
Over the next twenty to twenty-five years, what will happen to this world, if said world even survives after a possible nuclear war, is anyone's guess.
Speaking of cheap parallelism, how would turtledove write TL 191 in kaiserreich
I have this headcanon that in the Kaiserreich universe TL-191 is about the Second American Civil War rather than the first
Good post but some cavets:
* Maybe a mention of a “National Co Commonwealth Federation” in Canada that’s a big tent with many factions a la NPP—including a left wing faction led by Tim Buck, a centrist faction led by Tommy Douglas, a right wing soccred faction led by Ernst Manning and a voynist faction led by pro Russia “Arcandists”
* Fonte is being removed from the mod so I’d suggest Argentina led by the natpops or the other Totalist
Awesome ideas. I just edited my post to add a description about post-war Canadian politics and got rid of Fonte as the leader of Totalist Argentina.
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