Miscellaneous >1900 (Alternate) History Thread

PGSBHurricane

Rafi_T said:
In regards to the first: probably not, Europe was still relatively anti-Semitic in accordance with modern standards, and from their perspective, want a bit of an “out of sight, out of mind” approach to a Jewish state. The Jews on the other hand were very… insistent on having their homeland in the Holy Land.

In regards to the second point… it was attempted IOTL by the Soviets, but they made the Autonomous Jewish Oblast in Siberia, where the Jews didn’t want it, and it was mostly a Yiddish state.

So to have it succeed, you’d need the Soviets to establish the AJO in good faith, which would probably place it either near Crimea, or in the Caucasus (if I’m remembering correctly where the concentration of Soviet Jews was and where they wanted the Oblast to be situated).
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So in the case, Europe probably wouldn't be a popular backup destination for Jews and/or a Jewish state if Palestine somehow fell out of the cards.
 

Rafi_T

PGSBHurricane said:
So in the case, Europe probably wouldn't be a popular backup destination for Jews and/or a Jewish state if Palestine somehow fell out of the cards.
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More like, they wouldn't get their own state. Sure, they could still live there (it's not the Middle Ages either; they won't get expelled), but they'd be expected to be part of the country. So, basically the status-quo antebellum, but with reduced anti-Semitism due to sympathy from two lost wars.
 
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Dagoth Ur

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PGSBHurricane said:
This is kind of a two-in-one:
1) How plausible is a Jewish state being carved out of Germany instead of being located in Palestine following WW2?
2) If Israel lost the War of 1948, would somewhere in Europe have been viable for a backup location?

I ask because since I'm of Jewish heritage I genuinely wonder what would have happened to the Jewish people as a collective and Judaism as a religion post-Holocaust if Israel was not created in Palestine.
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Israel was a neo-colonial project from the start, no way in hell European powers would allow it to carve itself out of a European nation.
 
PauL62

PauL62

Let's suppose, GM went reaaly bankrupt in 2008/9: how do you think the skyscraper in Detroit that served as the premises of the former automaker will be converted? in a business center, in a museum? Or other?
 

Arkenfolm

PGSBHurricane said:
Without the USSR turning Red, the Germans might not have targeted the Soviets as heavily due to the Judeo-Bolshevism jargon the Nazi Party was throwing around at the time.
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Generalplan Ost was pretty much the final goal of the Nazis, it's key for their domination of Europe and their aggrandizement of the German nation. They absolutely must destroy the bulk of the people in the former Russian Empire (starting with the Jews) to gain Lebensraum for the German nation, it's as integral to Nazism as antisemitism. Everything else is a sideshow.
 

PGSBHurricane

Arkenfolm said:
Generalplan Ost was pretty much the final goal of the Nazis, it's key for their domination of Europe and their aggrandizement of the German nation. They absolutely must destroy the bulk of the people in the former Russian Empire (starting with the Jews) to gain Lebensraum for the German nation, it's as integral to Nazism as antisemitism. Everything else is a sideshow.
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On the other hand, the Soviets going Red OTL helped can the Nazi paranoia and was a driving factor into Generalplan Ost. I would honestly go so far as to say that without a Red Russia, the Nazis might never have come to power due to lack of fears of communism.
 
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Dagoth Ur

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Yeah German communists and socialists weren't weak even in OTL. Here they will be quite stronger as they won't be viewed as a USSR-influenced fifth column.
 

Arkenfolm

PGSBHurricane said:
On the other hand, the Soviets going Red OTL helped can the Nazi paranoia and was a driving factor into Generalplan Ost. I would honestly go so far as to say that without a Red Russia, the Nazis might never have come to power due to lack of fears of communism.
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That's definitely possible the Nazis wouldn't come to power, but some level of German-Russian conflict is baked into any sort of German nationalism because the two powers will come to blows over Eastern Europe. After all, worry about Russia surpassing Germany was a factor in Germany's decision to enter the Great War. The difference between a Nazi and, say, DNVP Germany is a DNVP Germany would likely be content at restoring the Brest-Litovsk borders and satellite states and enacting reparations from Russia and wouldn't view as their mission the annihilation of the Slavic race even if they'd be fine with ethnic cleansing and treating Slavs as second class citizens in annexed territories.
 

roderickgibsono

For my Mussolini timeline, I am looking also at possible fascist collaborators for a decolonization scenario, sort like France put their men in some countries. The post-colonial countries of this Italy would be :

  1. Shewa
  2. Amhara
  3. Eritrea : which the only candidate I can think of is https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domenico_Mondelli who also appears in Kaiserreich , but he could be up until 1974 only. (OTL death)
  4. Harar
  5. Greater Somalia with Dijibout and Somaliland
  6. Galla-Sidamo
  7. Tunisia
  8. Montenegro
  9. Albania
  10. Lybia if things go bad really bad
What's you guys ideas?
 
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Pinoiboi

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If Mindanao was never conquered by the Spanish and the rest of the Philippines was conquered much later meaning far less Buddhists & Hindus being forcefully converted to Catholicism, Would there be more Buddhists than Hindus or more Hindus than Buddhists in the Philippines today?
 
ramones1986

ramones1986

Pinoiboi said:
If Mindanao was never conquered by the Spanish and the rest of the Philippines was conquered much later meaning far less Buddhists & Hindus being forcefully converted to Catholicism, Would there be more Buddhists than Hindus or more Hindus than Buddhists in the Philippines today?
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Was this supposedly in pre-1900 miscellaneous thread?
 
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