Miscellaneous >1900 (Alternate) History Thread

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by RMcD94, Jul 9, 2019.

  1. RMcD94 Well-Known Member

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    It is often the case that people on this forum have miscellaneous or frivolous questions that could be easily answered by the many experts on this forum but are difficult to find the answer to on Google Scholar/Books or Wikipedia because they don't often deal in alternatives.

    There are other cases where people have miscellaneous or frivolous scenarios or challenges that they want to share about an idea they encountered that could perhaps provoke inspiration in other users but isn't deserving enough to be posted as a thread on its own.

    These issues have been addressed in the Shared Worlds, ASB and <1900 forums but haven't been dealt with here.

    This thread is intended to be a resource for those with questions about a timeline they want to construct which are minor and undeserving of their own thread, and a place to share ideas that people don't have time, skill or knowledge to write themselves.
     
  2. Calbertbreastpeach "The world is not beautiful, therefore it is."

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    My question is in relation to Trotsky surviving in Mexico?

    As the Cold War goes on what happens with him?
     
  3. Sam R. Well-Known Member

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    Trotsky was one of a number of Leninist, Bolshevik or maximalist heterodox theorists; and appeared significant alongside a variety of active leaders of the above currents.

    He was, however, personally irrelevant by his death. 4th International politics and its dissidents had moved beyond his pronouncements, particularly in the US where Cannonites existed. Internationalism and maximalism will be harder inside the people’s democracies and Soviet Union. But this will just change the adjectives applied to holders of unacceptable lines during Zhadanovishchina or the Rajk purges.

    Trotsky’s irrelevance won’t make 4th international groups any more relevant. The post war boom / forced investment will cripple them. It’ll take until the 1968 period crisis for Trots to be relevant, and historically it was non-orthodox younger parties / groups with some industrial penetration who proved the least irrelevant.
     
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  4. Calbertbreastpeach "The world is not beautiful, therefore it is."

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    If he was able to immigrate sooner perhaps the us could trot him around as a figurehead of true leftism?

    Not sure
     
  5. Thanosaekk Well-Known Member

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    Glad to see such a thread being created. Here is a question I am not sure deserves its own thread:

    Many scenarios where Germany wins WWII and gets most of Eastern Europe and European Russia have the USSR collapsing into civil war or warlordism, and I am guilty of having done this as well. However, how plausible is that after two decades of Stalin's rule, where he eliminated any opposition with purges etc? And, if it did happen, what entities would likely arise in the former USSR?
     
  6. interpoltomo please don't do coke in the bathroom

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    Weaker academic left and "hard" left in the US/broader west. Weaker new left. Nixon and his successors(Connally, Bush) rule 1968-1992. You get some non-Clinton*/Gore moderate dems running things 1992-2004/2008 to be followed by an ongoing period of populist republicans -- Easier transition to pull off from a GOP that never had a Reaganite/neocon era.

    Why? Look at the tendency for trotksyite or trot-influenced movements to fission then keep fissioning to ridiculous extents.

    * No "new left"/DLC ex-hippie turned yuppie types as a coherent faction. There are DLC analogues, but it's 3-4 different movements that all hate each other
     
  7. Count of Crisco Pithy remark here.

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    What if the French had been the first to design and build an all big gun ship? Beating the British to the punch by even a few months. What would the effects on the world have been? I know France had some issues with their shipbuilding. But their fire directors were quite advanced and they had some good ideas mixed with some very bad ones.
    Say in 1905, just months before Dreadnpught the French manage to complete a ship of their own and beat them to the punch. Would this have dramatically shifted the naval balance? Or would it have been only ahort term glory for the Marine Nationale?
     
  8. Kaiser Julius Well-Known Member

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    Frank Wells doesn't die in a helicopter crash in 1994?
     
  9. Veles Well-Known Member

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    So this isn't ASB but it's so unlikely as to approach it.
    What if, after setting foot on the moon, the Apollo astronauts announce their defection to the USSR and unfurl a hammer and sickle flag?
     
  10. RMcD94 Well-Known Member

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    Re: Operation Tannenbaum.

    Many people say it would be silly because it would hurt the Nazis ability to buy things from abroad. Is that actually true? If the Nazis seized the massive gold reserves of Switzerland why couldn't they sell to the market via Sweden or Spain? They could even use Turkey.

    Re: Spanish Civil War

    At what point was the Civil War unwinnable for the Republicans? If Soviets had stopped trying to hide their involvement, like the Axis weren't, in 1938 could they save them?
     
  11. X_X Well-Known Member

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    Great question! I'd like to imagine that Katzenberg sticks around a few more years meaning that he doesn't form Dreamworks with Geffen and Spielberg. He would certainly leave Disney eventually (around 1996), but I think he wouldn't have the same success as an animation executive. Maybe he's hired by Warner Brothers? No Dreamworks means no Shrek, so maybe the transition to 3D is delayed a few years?
     
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  12. Kaiser Julius Well-Known Member

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    Debbie Allen directs Amistad with a smaller budget and A.I is directed earlier. Disney or Paramount produces Catch Me if You Can and The Terminal is never made (9/11 is possibly butterflied away.) Tarzan is never made.
     
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