The political map of the Dunes of the Desert Timeline in AD 1200. Note and keep in minde, that most of the Americas, as well as large parts of Africa orJapan have still not been touched by the butterfly of Muhammad not being born
How the hell does this nation collapse in just two hundred years?
Honestly can't remember my innitial thoughts. I think it had something to do with the series of attacks and natural disaster in the Bronze Age Collapse, but they realistically would be able to deal with it, so I'm not actully sure why I wrote that. Again, I said it wasn't well thought out and that I really want feedback on the visual style rather than a look at the realism of the information, but you're right that it doesn't make sense.
It's a beautiful map and the graphics are amazing, but I agree. T
The Americans and Mexicans should be able to demographically absorb the whole Middle East-
That’s… fascinating. How do they reconcile (or, rather, how do they ignore) the part where Jesus says no one comes to God except through [Jesus]? Do they just ignore the gospels? And if so, how can they say Jesus was Messiah? Moreover, why wouldn’t they just become Christians then and fold themselves into the standard Orthodoxy?Christ really was the Messiah, but was misunderstood and required Mohammed to reiterate his message.
That’s… fascinating. How do they reconcile (or, rather, how do they ignore) the part where Jesus says no one comes to God except through [Jesus]? Do they just ignore the gospels? And if so, how can they say Jesus was Messiah? Moreover, why wouldn’t they just become Christians then and fold themselves into the standard Orthodoxy?
The mental image of Muhammad only existing as a sort of spiritual “did I stutter?” messenger is pretty funny, at least.
It's a beautiful map and the graphics are amazing, but I agree. The region ISOTed has around 10-12 million inhabitants in a time when the Earth as a whole only had around 40 million people. The Americans and Mexicans should be able to demographically absorb the whole Middle East- and I wouldn't count the Mexicans out. The largest modern city in the scenario is Monterrey, Mexico, there are at least 6 million Mexicans in the ISOT, and a large percentage (possibly a majority) of the Americans brought along are Hispanic.
EDIT: The more that I think about this- and I do love the scenario- but my biggest objection is how the Mexicans just sort of quietly disappear. The two largest cities in the world are Mexican- the Monterrey MA has 4.6 million people , the Juarez MA has 2.5 million and there are at least 7-8 million Mexican citizens. The largest American city is Albuqurque with 1.1 million people in the Albuqurque-SantaFe-Las Vegas CSA, there are roughly 5 million American (3 million in the Texas Border Region, 2 million in New Mexico and the other parts of Texas) citizens, about 2/3 of those Americans are at least partly Hispanic or Latino. Most of the ISOTed population of the world will speak at least some Spanish, although it's possible that a majority of the ISOTed population will also speak some English. Not that predominantly Hispanic and Latino Americans are going to up and decide they want to be Mexicans, but any union between the American and Mexican territories is going to speak Spanish just as much as it speaks English and it will be leaning hard on a common Hispanic culture as a unifying factory. It wouldn't be an American-dominated union.
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What about the Nez Perce, what happened to them?
well, they certainly can't maintain a 21st century technology level with only the people and resources they have: there are simply too many specialties, too many supply chains with international reach, too many raw materials that need to be imported (they have a lot of oil handy, but west Texas and eastern New Mexico don't have a lot of other natural resources). They're like to crash back to a largely 19th/early 20th century level of technology, once their current machines wear out, and even with the documentation, if they don't share their tech with other peoples, they're unlikely to ever reach an overall 21st century level of technology. Although they might well be able to make low-tech "ersatz" versions of more advanced technology (you can after all make a jet plane with only 1920s or so technology, although it will hardly match modern designs).
That being said, if the new state doesn't fall apart in the first few decades, I have some trouble not seeing it survive the bronze age crisis: if the Assyrian state managed it, I don't see why a state with modern levels of organization and at least an early 20th century level of tech and Green Revolution farming know-how doesn't survive. Especially since they'll know about the (presumed) heavy drought era in advance.
Not that it isn't possible for Tex-Mex Babylonia to screw things up badly: as of OTL 2020, both Mexican and American democracy are in poor shape, and the stresses of the ISOT might end up leading to some sort of dictatorship: a couple centuries down the road I can see it turning into something screwed up enough (say a theocratic absolutism with a stratified society, with advanced engineering but questioning "scientists" stamped out and an underclass of era-native peoples) that it collapses under it's own weight, but that isn't where I'd put my money if I was a betting man.
Edit: collapse in the sense of having no real successors. If it gets big enough, I can see regional differences leading to a breakup, but there would be clear inheritor states.
They might avoid absorbing Israel for religious reasons, and Egypt had about 2-3 million people, which would be like OTL US absorbing both Sudans plus Senegal (not to mention Egypt's population should increasing sharpish with the import of new crops and even the most basic of sanitary and medical know-how) but yeah, if the state remains functional it is likely to expand rather further than shown on the map.
You know, that is a point I thought about initially (I looked at ethnic/linguistic maps and such) and then went "Nah, who cares, it's not meant to be detailed." But I did think about using Tahas (Tejas) or something deriving from Republica Del Rio Grande and a banner based on the OTL historical Rio Grande republic flag, or just having it be "American" but with Spanish as an official language which out competes English in day to day use, I'm not sure how many of the Mexican/Hispanic people in southern Texas see themselves primarily as Mexicans and how many see themselves as Americans first, which could be important to the scenario if I was trying to flesh it out. TBH, I'm kind of tempted to redo stuff and go more in depth now that the map has gotten so much attention, though I am really busy RN and had other plans.
Thanks for the feedback.