Map Thread XIX

On a lighter note, I have three ideas for a Philippines-wank. Which sounds better:

1. Ming reestablish themselves in Taiwan and the Philippines, Qing effort to root them out fails, and a few centuries later we have the glorious and malay-ized Empire of the Hai or Sea Ming

2. Philippines get independence fairly early in the 19th century, maybe get a spare Catholic king or something (did someone do a TL where Maximilian ends up in the Philippines rather than Mexico?), and they miss out on a lot of the economic wrong turns of OTL and are on a par with Japan by 2020

3. Future TL, where Filipinos never give up on having kids, and by the 23rd century the Philippines (now a single island due to geoengineering to build more land) are one of the world's Great Powers, along with India, Nigeria, and Greater Texas.
Another idea I had: The Philippines declare independence during the Latin American revolutions and develope some sort of “Asian Manifest Destiny”. Not a very realistic scenario, but definitely a fun one.
 
Another idea I had: The Philippines declare independence during the Latin American revolutions and develope some sort of “Asian Manifest Destiny”. Not a very realistic scenario, but definitely a fun one.
They'd have to industrialize first, and I doubt they have the population before the 20th century, but I am amused by the notion of the Filipino Co-Prosperity Sphere. Anyone know what that would be in Filipino/Tagalog?
 
They'd have to industrialize first, and I doubt they have the population before the 20th century, but I am amused by the notion of the Filipino Co-Prosperity Sphere. Anyone know what that would be in Filipino/Tagalog?
Chances are that a Creole junta led Phillipines at the time would still have Spanish administration, and end up bilingual Spanish/Tagalog today
 
On a lighter note, I have three ideas for a Philippines-wank. Which sounds better:

1. Ming reestablish themselves in Taiwan and the Philippines, Qing effort to root them out fails, and a few centuries later we have the glorious and malay-ized Empire of the Hai or Sea Ming

2. Philippines get independence fairly early in the 19th century, maybe get a spare Catholic king or something (did someone do a TL where Maximilian ends up in the Philippines rather than Mexico?), and they miss out on a lot of the economic wrong turns of OTL and are on a par with Japan by 2020

3. Future TL, where Filipinos never give up on having kids, and by the 23rd century the Philippines (now a single island due to geoengineering to build more land) are one of the world's Great Powers, along with India, Nigeria, and Greater Texas.
Definitely scenario #1.

That said, terms like “南宋” (Southern Song) are only ever used by historians and chroniclers after the fact. The Song (and Tang, and everyone else) referred to themselves without geographic modifiers straight through to the end.

The only way you get a designation like “海明” (probably translated as “Overseas Ming” or Ming-in-exile” in English) is if the Ming fall and are replaced at some point. Of course, that’s entirely likely over a 380-year span of time.

@Jonathan Edelstein’s Coaster trading networks from Male Rising would be an interesting model for *Philippine influence in Coastal China after things between the Qing and Ming calm down, and I expect European incursions in the area will give people a sense of shared Chinese identity by the time of OTL’s Opium Wars even in the face of some cultural divergence.

If the Ming and Qing fall at some point, replaced by some form of popular government, chances are that they end up closely allied against European adventurism.
 
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The (Not So) Great Texas-Iraq ( or Rio-Tigris) ISOT
@Bubbykins , this one's for you​




The Pecos-Rio Grande river system switched with the Tigris-Euphrates one.



Modern US and Mexico (well, really around 2010) around these rivers immediately following an ISOT to this region in 1400 BCE.



This isn't by any means a well though out TL, definitely has more holes than Swiss Cheese, but here it is.



The Big Map:






Legend:
Sorry for the many unlabeled cities in the last map, I was more focused on trying out a graphical style that I don't have much experience with than on getting I every detail.
The idea behind the names is that this "Ancient US"'s records are lost over time (most road signs are destroyed, as are many computers, the Texans don't bring back the internet, however, there are extensive connections between a few individual devices through Bluetooth and similar technologies. Most technology is kept, but names are largely forgotten, and many come from foreign (Egyptian and Median/Madai) texts, resulting in name changes.
  • Makalan = McAllen
  • Montarai = Monterrey (the one in Mexico obviously)
  • Waraz = Juarez
  • Las Krusas = Las Cruces
  • Karlabad = Carlsbad
  • Addaas = Odessa
  • Pakas = Pecos
  • Albakurk = Albuquerque (the ee sound at the end got dropped)
  • Santafa = Santa Fe
  • Al Basa = El Paso
America --> Americuh (uh is barely registered by the foreigners) --> Americ' --[passed through foreign phonetics]--> Amrak
Yerak is just how Iraq was transliterated from Amraki English by its neighbors.


I'm really looking for feedback on the big map/graphic, the style and composition, not the information.

Apologies for any spelling and grammatical errors. Also, a note, this is not something I would want to happen, it's just something that was discussed on this thread that I found interesting.
Gorgeous graphic, good map, and fun scenario. I love it.
 
Definitely scenario #1.

That said, terms like “南宋” (Southern Song) are only ever used by historians and chroniclers after the fact. The Song (and Tang, and everyone else) referred to themselves without geographic modifiers straight through to the end.

The only way you get a designation like “海明” (probably translated as “Overseas Ming” or Ming-in-exile” in English) is if the Ming fall and are replaced at some point. Of course, that’s entirely likely over a 380-year span of time.

@Jonathan Edelstein’s Coaster trading networks from Male Rising would be an interesting model for *Philippine influence in Coastal China after things between the Qing and Ming calm down, and I expect European incursions in the area will give people a sense of shared Chinese identity by the time of OTL’s Opium Wars even in the face of some cultural divergence.

If the Ming and Qing fall at some point, replaced by some form of popular government, chances are that they end up closely allied against European adventurism.
Interesting thoughts there. We don't want them to get too close, though; if they reunite, it just turns into a China wank! :biggrin:
 
this map is the result of a mapgame i played on Discord with friends. the POD is that the Crusader-States survive. current year is 1920. nothing special, just thought this belonged here.

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OK, looks like "Sea but only when referred to by Europeans Ming" is the winnah. That leaves me with only one more to puzzle out on my next wank map series - Rwanda!

(As a bonus, this one will have two Perus - one for Spanish Peru, and one for indigenous Peru)
 


Here's a map of a Southern Roman Empire for Historiae Mutetur's many PODs; what if Rome split into four Romes?

Very arguably being the most memorable state in HM (along with a big collection of others), Southern Rome is basically seen as the true inheritor of Rome as it lasts the longest (up to the 1800s). Its lineage still lives on in Ethiopia.

LINK TO TIMELINE WIKI
 
OK, looks like "Sea but only when referred to by Europeans Ming" is the winnah. That leaves me with only one more to puzzle out on my next wank map series - Rwanda!

(As a bonus, this one will have two Perus - one for Spanish Peru, and one for indigenous Peru)
Will it include Puerto Rico? Even though it is an American territory, its population is still over 3 million.

Edit: If you choose not to do Qatar, I'll do it myself.
 
Crossposting my governments map in 1200AD for my dunes of the Desert Timeline
By the end of the twelfth century, there remained numerous ways of organizing a society:
  1. Tribal (brown)- tribal realms ruled by mighty chiefs can be found throughout much of Africa and Siberia, as well as more remote parts of Asi.
  2. Nomadic (golden) - much of the Steppe and the Teneré (Sahara)
  3. Feudal (blue) - the feudal system is inherently tied to western Christendom, but can also be foundin parts of Arabia, Subsaharan Africa and elsewhere. Relies on the power of the military caste, who own most of the land
  4. Republic (pink)- republican societies can be found mainly in places where the wealthy merchants have taken control, in place such as Aden, Alexandria, Novgorod, but mainyl northern Italy, Iceland and parts of Spain
  5. Despotic monarchy (indigo) -can be found in various emergent states mainly outside the reach of Christendom
  6. Caste (purple) - native to India
  7. Mandala (carrot) - native to Southeast Asia
  8. Hierocratic (beige) -developped in Egypt and was adopted by African states in its proximity
  9. Theocracy (white)
  10. Meritocracy (green) - The Chinese meritocratic system was indeed adoptepted by the Karakhitai in Central Asia
  11. Imperial (purple) - Rhomania
  12. Satrapy (golden-orange) - Iran
  13. Plutocracy (cream) - Philippines, Swahili Coast Hausa
  14. Monastic Feudal (brown) - Tibet
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