Map Thread VII

[Nerupe]

Why is Germany reunified, rather than East Germany being part of the USSR?

Other than that, awesome and hilarious map.

EDIT: I also see that Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Turkmenistan have been unified into one SSR. Why is Tajikistan part of it, rather than Kyrgyzstan?

Well, the Berlin Wall fell and the Cold War officially ended, with Germany being reunified, but the Soviet Union did not fall.

As to the rest, uh... what that over there!?

*Runs away*

 

[B_Munro]

If Buddhism can blen with both Islam AND Christianity in Dune, who says Islam cant blend with Orthodox Christianity.

True, but Dune is something like 23,000 years in the future, which gives a wee more time for such things to happen...

Bruce

 

[Coyote Knight]

Map from my TL. It's pretty much finished, and I'd like to know what people think. The coloured countries/organizations are "The New Nine" and represent the nine new Federated Nations Security Council that arose near the end of the "Cloak and Dagger Wars" and the Second American Civil War.

 

[iori]

Since it's now the next page, I figure I'll post this map I did.

The below is a map of the modern OTL World by political system.
This is a major revamp and update of the one I've done previously.


A few notes;

1. Mexico and Spain are colored the way they are as on the National Level they have Two-Party systems while on the State/Community level they have Multi-party systems.

2. I don't really know what to classify Senagl as, since while no-one party has a majority, their is a coalition-type entity that dominates.

3. North Korea is shown as just a Single-Party state since I had neither the space or colors needed to show it for the unholy amalgam it really is.

 

[Thande]

I like that system, Iori, it seems well-balanced.

 

[iori]

I like that system, Iori, it seems well-balanced.

Danke.

I actuallyed 'Finsihed' it this morning then realized it'd make more sense to seperate Dominant Party and Two-Party states (prv. Dominant Parties) into seperate categories.

 

[iori]

Map from my TL. It's pretty much finished, and I'd like to know what people think. The coloured countries/organizations are "The New Nine" and represent the nine new Federated Nations Security Council that arose near the end of the "Cloak and Dagger Wars" and the Second American Civil War.

Is cool, though I'd like it better if Oregon had joinedWashington in joining Federation.

Oh, also you forgot to colour in Sherbo Island (on the Sierra Leone coast).

 

[Coyote Knight]

Is cool, though I'd like it better if Oregon had joinedWashington in joining Federation.

Oh, also you forgot to colour in Sherbo Island (one the Sierra Leone coast).

So I did. Will be corrected.

 

[B_Munro]

Since it's now the next page, I figure I'll post this map I did.

The below is a map of the modern OTL World by political system.
This is a major revamp and update of the one I've done previously.

A bit confused on outlines: what is the difference between Venezuela (flawed democracy outline, Dominant party filling) and Angola (Dominant party outline color, flawed democracy filling)?

Bruce

 

[iori]

A bit confused on outlines: what is the difference between Venezuela (flawed democracy outline, Dominant party filling) and Angola (Dominant party outline color, flawed democracy filling)?

Bruce

The extent basically, though in both cases it actually shows history pretty well to.

Venezuela started off as a Democracy and for the most part still is, though as a result of the various changes and laws under Chavez it's started to become a flawed democracy, but overall is still more or less a true democracy.

Angola transitioned from being a 'Socialist State' to a Democracy, but never really fully finished and has alot of flaws to the extent it's not very democratic (like skipping two election cycles), but still functions as a democracy to some degree.

 

[Mathuen]

3. North Korea is shown as just a Single-Party state since I had neither the space or colors needed to show it for the unholy amalgam it really is.

How about list it as an Orwellian Dictatorship with it's color as black; just like Kim Jong-il's heart?

 

[Kulkasha]

How about list it as an Orwellian Dictatorship with it's color as black; just like Kim Jong-il's heart?

I fear that would create a black hole in that style of map, sucking in N Korea's borders and subsequently much of East Asia and the North Pacific into the nebulous terror that is Kim Jong-Il's ego.
Plus, a dark Nazi-gray might be more appropriate. You know, for the insanity.

 

[iori]

How about list it as an Orwellian Dictatorship with it's color as black; just like Kim Jong-il's heart?

I don't think he's black hearted, just insane and selfish.

 

[Goldstein]

Nice one, Iori. The options for Afghanistan, Pakistan, China, Spain, Egypt, the UK.. show how clever this map is. But shouldn't Argentina show dominant party/multiparty stripes, and Japan show dominant party/two party stripes? After all, the Justicialist Party and the Liberal Democratic Party of Japan respectively, have dominated the very most of their political scene...

On a second thought, shoulnd't Mexico show the flawed democracy or the Anarchy colour to some extent? Come on, they're under a civil war in all but name...

On a third though (sorry): Shouldn't China, Vietnam, etc.. show a commie outline and a single party filling? I mean, the ruling Chinese party calls itself Communist, but what's in a name?

 

[Pischinovski]

Good map but.

Can i say how much i find wrong the idea of an Aquitan/Septimania kingdom who, not just don't use occitan, or at last a mixing of French and Occitan as language; which Narbonis apparently is spoken by everyone (except Belgians) in the kingdom; that the names of provinces and cities are randomly adapted from latin and french to a portuguese-ish goubligoulba.

Avalun? What's the point of?

Anyway, graphicly very good map, but i'm quite questioning about some aspect of it.

I can't be sure, and Pisch can obviously explain it, but I think their was some weird cultural transfusion thingy, I don't remember exactly, as I read the old posts when they were originaly posted.

With a POD in the the migration period i think it's legitime that a language and not only the history changes (and i am sorry that i am not a linguistic genius ).
"Avalun" derives from the town of "Gabalum", a Bishop's see from the 3th to the 10th century. ITTL the town wasn't nearly completely destroyed during the migration period. The OTL name is today "Javols", which also derives from the name "Gabalum".

 

[jkarr]

any1 have a map that shows all british isles (ireland included), northern coast of france and the netherlands, showing their counties

 

[Vexacus]

Pretty awesome maps on this page.

Hopefully I can add to that. Here's a redo of my mini-TL and map. You can compare it to before (https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?p=4067583#post4067583):

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1984: Kim Il-Sung Dies.

1985: His son and successor Kim Jong-Il, being more liberal when he was younger, reforms to North Korean economy to an extent, also taking form as a 'Four Year Plan' to provide a foundation for future modernization.

1989: The Tiananmen Square incident occurs in June, sparking world-wide condemnation of the People's Republic of China. Kim, who was displeased with a meeting with the Chinese earlier that year, puts effort into easing with South Korea and the United States, separating itself from the PRC. This marks the beginning of the 'Sino-Korean Split'.

1991: After the collapse of the Soviet Union, North Korean economic advisors convince the progressive Kim to further reform the economy, specifically to take a more open and capitalistic approach. This includes a massive economic deal with the South. Not only does he reform the constitution by dropping all mentions of Communism and isolation, he stresses a pan-Korean identity with the South in a media blitz meant to boost North Korean prestige.

1998: A brief state visit by Bill Clinton during his tour of East Asia marks a gradual return to normalcy of North Korean and foreign countries.

2003: North Korea's nuclear program is making large amounts of progress with consent from the UN, albeit with protests from Japan and the US. South Korean opinions about their neighbor are mixed. The large amounts of progress are partly in thanks to the rapidly growing North Korean economy.

2006: In the third quarter of the year, China's economy overheats. The value of the Yuan plummets, GDP growth freezes at an extremely low 4%, and tens of millions of jobs are lost in that year alone. Outside observers suspect that an imbalance occurred as a result of North Korean's growing economic clout, although much of it is pure guesswork.

2007: North Korean growth goes relatively unhampered, reporting a massive 9% growth the year. Kim Jong-Il is the 'Northern Uncle' in a renewed attempt to stress greater ties with South Korea, taking form as a new 'Four Year Plan'.

2008: The Beijing Olympics in 2008 are called off when a massive uprising occurs, as much of the Chinese population is dissatisfied with the ruling CCP's handling of the crisis. In September, several major banking corporations declare bankruptcy in the US, cumulating in a steep worldwide recession.

2009: In January, The local governments of Tibet and Xinjiang declare full autonomy as the world witnesses mass anarchy Shanghai and Beijing. Although both regions are forced back through military means, it is only temporary due to the weakened central government and independence movements are more than within the realm of possibility now.

2010: No official growth results come from China in 2008-2009, and when the International Monetary Fund officially puts China at the 17th largest economy in the world, any remaining foreign investment pulls out, making way for a growing North Korean influence in north-eastern China.

2011: North Korea is reportedly the 10th largest economy in the world at this point. Although the US and Japan are still mistrustful of the North, South Korean opinion is generally warm to the North.

2012: Due to the economic collapse of China in 2006 and the massive recession in 2008, the American economy is still dropping at a large 4.8%. Unemployment in 2012 spikes at 18%, and the ISAF eventually withdraws from Afghanistan by the end of the year, leaving a weak and corrupt Afghan government. President Barack Obama (D), loses his re-election campaign to Ron Paul (R) in November. Paul is a modern isolationist, focusing more on domestic issues rather than being an international coach.

2013: Kim Jong-Il’s health, which has been suffering for the past five years, suffers a stroke in April. He survives, and makes a speech addressing the people in July, admitting that he will not be around for the near future. In December, the North proposes a previously outlandish plan: a reunification with South Korea. Starting with small steps, it is meant to integrate the economies and governments of the two countries under a South Korean-style system over the course of ten years, with each Korean being its own administrative state. It sparks worldwide debate with the UN ultimately concluding that it is up to the South Koreans to decide. On the eve of December 23, the proposal passes at 54%, leading the Treaty of Seoul.

2014: Though the Korean War was never officially ended, many see this year as the true end to conflict on the Korean peninsula. Even smoother than the unification of East and West Germany, the united Korea is expected to be the world's fourth largest economy by 2017 at this point. In China, Xinjiang and Tibet once again attempt to break off. With the government despairingly weak, the secessions are successful as many Western nations recognize the two new Asian countries. Other provinces follow suit in a more subtle manner, particularly north-east China.


2015: Something unexpected happens. It is unexpected for the outside world indeed, but in North Korea, it was a plot that was under planning for the past decade. Senior North Korean generals and ministers, unhappy with the ever increasingly-liberal Kim Jong-Il, waits for his death to seize power. His successor, Kim Jong-chul, is assassinated along with the rest of the family as the coup d’état occurs. In the midst of the confusion, a quick and suppressed war occurs between North Korea and the remaining South Korean military units, which were reduced to nothing more than a paramilitary after the Treaty of Seoul (all American units and warships under the treaty left the year before, with approval by President Paul).

2016: By late January, the Korean peninsula is not under the rule of the proposed South Korean-style government, but under a strict military rule that has returned to a policy of juche. However, this is not the same type of juche as before, not the same policy that a poor country used to isolate itself from the world. This policy has a country abundant with resources, around five hundred nuclear warheads and dozens of missiles capable of launching them. This policy of juche is by far more frightening than before.

2017: The United States by this year has little assets in the Pacific (Okinawa was returned to the Japanese in 2014). The US economy is still sputtering along; even with Ron Paul's attempts to focus domestically (he loses his 2016 re-election). Improved technologies for the military has been put on hold, such as a greater number of F-22s and F-35s, and a stagnant navy with the Ford-class of aircraft carriers put on hold and the LCS program completely canceled. The GKR, now with former South Korean industries at their hand, are reportedly mass-producing a finalized 5th-generation stealth fighter (taken from incomplete Chinese plans in the previous decade), as well as at least three nuclear carrier groups.

2018: The Japanese Diet makes a landmark decision to null the Japanese constitution's stance on war in the face of a greater Korean threat and the withdrawal of American 'umbrella' support, allowing a nuclear program and a blue-water carrier fleet. On October 21st, the Greater Korean Navy engages the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force in the Sea of Japan. The Greater Korean Republic, citing increasingly hostile Japanese policies towards Korea and an increase in militarism (which is mostly untrue, as much of the re-armament of Japan's military is seen as taboo even within Japan), declares war on the country on November 1st. Although the Japanese military outguns the GKR in the first few weeks of the war (the Japanese navy being twice the size of their Korean counterparts, for example), Korean High Command decides to use Korea's nuclear arsenal in early December, known as 'Black December' in Japan. Tokyo, Nagoya, Sendai and Aomori are hit by Korean MRBMs over the course of two weeks. On Christmas Eve, 9:30 PM local Korean time, Japan unconditionally surrenders to the Greater Korean Republic.

2019: A second financial meltdown hits the US, as unemployment skyrockets to 23%. China's north-eastern colonies are now practically Korean colonies in all but name and recognition. Shanghai, Taiwan and the SARs (Macau and Hong Kong) begin to fall under the Korean sphere of influence. Several puppet states are created in the conquered Japan so as to keep the population suppressed. Everything west of Osaka is directly annexed by the GKR, with the populace undergoing a harsh Koreanization program for the next decade.

2021: Following the dissolution of the Eurozone and the European Union as a result of massive debt imbalances over the past twelve years, NATO begins to fall apart (many rifts were formed already following the withdrawal from Afghanistan). The only allies the US can count on are Canada and the United Kingdom.

2022: Much of eastern and south-east Asian countries sign the Treaty of Hanoi, a military and economic pact dominated by the GKR. Indonesia refuses to sign it. Singapore falls under Korean influence, marking the complete Korean dominance of East Asia for the decade, having the second largest economy and navy in the world.

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This is the political situation as of 2029.:



The GKR has about 92 million citizens in its own borders. The military boasts 10 carrier groups, 10,000 4th and 5th-generation fighters/bombers and 5 million active soldiers for its land force. It has an unknown number of inter-continental ballistic missiles, estimated to be in the hundreds.

This is not taking into account the rest of its military alliance.

Great map, looking forward to the next one

 

[Ridwan Asher]

Since it's now the next page, I figure I'll post this map I did.

The below is a map of the modern OTL World by political system.
This is a major revamp and update of the one I've done previously.


A few notes;

1. Mexico and Spain are colored the way they are as on the National Level they have Two-Party systems while on the State/Community level they have Multi-party systems.

2. I don't really know what to classify Senagl as, since while no-one party has a majority, their is a coalition-type entity that dominates.

3. North Korea is shown as just a Single-Party state since I had neither the space or colors needed to show it for the unholy amalgam it really is.

I wonder about what is your definition for "flawed" democracy here. If it is about honest constitutional arrangement to serve a certain party/interest here, Malaysia would be included but not Indonesia. If it should also include shady intricate balance and major corrupt arrangement behind the scene that elevate bubbles of peculiarities to the surface, then maybe Indonesia would be included, but so should rather many countries. Ditto for legal ban towards a certain ideology(communism in our case). However, if also for official recognition for certain religion(s), I think you should distinct liberal democracy into its own color.

 

[SilverPhantom2]

Excellent map, Iori. Though I detest the use of "anarchy" to describe the situation in Somalia. You have plenty of democrats praising developing movements in Latin America, Africa, etc. but no anarchists celebrating the chaos happening in east Africa.

Otherwise, it's interesting to look and compare to the different ideological spheres that developed.

 

[Wendell]

Since it's now the next page, I figure I'll post this map I did.

The below is a map of the modern OTL World by political system.
This is a major revamp and update of the one I've done previously.


A few notes;

1. Mexico and Spain are colored the way they are as on the National Level they have Two-Party systems while on the State/Community level they have Multi-party systems.

2. I don't really know what to classify Senagl as, since while no-one party has a majority, their is a coalition-type entity that dominates.

3. North Korea is shown as just a Single-Party state since I had neither the space or colors needed to show it for the unholy amalgam it really is.

Is Chile really a two-party system at present?