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What if Alexander the Great had not died a young man, but had lived to secure his Empire and pass it on to his son, Alexander IV?

What will be the closing date? The year Pompey the Great of Rome conquered the last vestige of Alexander's Empire: 63 BCE


The Great Kings of the Hellenistic World

336 - 287: Alexander III the Great (House of Argead) [1]
287 - 254: Alexander IV the Consolidator (House of Argead) [2]
254 - 214: Seleucus I the Farmer (House of Nicator) [3]
214 - 189: Alexander V (House of Nicator) [4]
189 - 156: Phillip III the Mad (House of Nicator) [5]
156 - 133:
Philip IV the Feeble (House of Nicator) [6]

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[1] At first only the King of Macedonia, Alexander III rose to become the great king, in fact a god-king, when he conquered the Persian Empire and then went on to conquer Central Asia and northwest India. He returned to Babylon in 323 and almost died from illness before his son, Alexander IV, was born by his new princess wife, Roxana of Bactria. But Alexander survived the illness and then became a robust and hearty man. He added Arabia to his empire and North Africa all the way to Cyrene. Once he had conquered the world, he set his sights on securing his Empire with good governance and raising his son to continue after him. Still robust in his late 60s it was a shock to the world that the God-King died. It was probably from a heart attack. Alexander IV was now 36 when he became the next God-King.

[2] Alexander IV, the Consolidator began his reign putting down rebellions from would be Kings, most notably from Ptolemy the Younger successfully and Bindusara unsuccessfully resulting in the formation of Maurya Empire in India far from the center of his realm. Still, once his throne was secure he tried to build a reputation as a conquerer by invading Italy.

Here he ran straight into the Roman mandible system which shredded his forces. Despite this, he won battles by his strength of numbers and would have won the war but for the Roman alliance with Carthage, which fearing they were next and for a free hand in Sicily, provided naval support and destroyed the Imperial Navy in a series of engagements, cutting Alexander off from reinforcements and resupply. Blockaded by the Roman Army and the Carthaginian Navy at Naples, Alexander was forced to ransom himself in order to prevent his brother Perseus from seizing the throne back home. After executing his brother, and loosing Egypt to a native revolt (funded with Carthaginian money) he seemed to realize that perhaps he wasn't meant to be conqueror and instead worked very hard at tying what was left of the empire together, a task he was much more successful at. As a result he was able to pass a stable Empire to his son in law, Seleucus.

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[3] Seleucus was the son in law of Alexander IV, married to his daughter, Roxana, named after her grandmother. He was also the grandson of Seleucus Nicator, one of Alexander the Greats generals, for whom he was named. Alexander IV had several sons but most died in battle or young or rapidly showed themselves to be devious and unworthy. Seleucus had shown himself to be an admirable warrior and incredibly fertile - over the course of their marriage, Roxana gave birth over twenty times. Despite his warrior background, he knew that at some point the kingdom would over extend its capability to both support and defend itself and therefore committed to creating stability, transport routes and agriculture (earning him the honorific of The Farmer) to feed his troops. After forty years on the throne, he was succeeded by his seventh son and thirteenth child, Alexander

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[4] On the death of Seleucus it was chaos. Not only did generals rebel, but most of the sons of Seleucus also claimed the throne and battled each other. Roxana's favorite was her youngest surviving son, named Alexander after her father and grandfather, he was the seventh son and thirteenth child. She spread the story that on his death bed Seleucus had given the throne to him with his last word, "Alexander!" Some said it was entirely made up. Others said that Selecus wasn't naming his heir but speaking the name of Alexander the Great as he saw a vision of him. But this was enough for Alexander to be crowned in Babylon and secure the capital. He immediately went to war with his five older brothers who claimed the throne. (One older brother, Philip, was feeble minded and cared for by Roxana.)

One by one he defeated them. The last was Achilles who was based in the homeland of Macedonia. Alexander by then had lost Bactria, Thrace, and Greece from the Empire to locals rebelling. By this time Carthage and Rome were at war with each other, leaving Alexander a free hand to restore the most important province of Egypt. As he secured Egypt, the Parthians revolted. So next was a long war for Iran. By the year 190 BCE a stalemate led to central and eastern Iran now in the new Parthian Empire and only western Iran in the Empire of Alexander. He died a few years later and his Eldest Son, Phillip took the throne.


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[5] A proven warrior and commander in the campaigns against Egypt and Parthia, Phillip was seen at the time as a man of great potential, someone Truly worthy of the legacy of Alexander the great. Indeed, his greatest achievements would come in 178 when he set out to take on the weakened Rome and Carthage. For six years (178-172) his empire would battle the Romans, but he would never land on the Italian peninsula. After conquering the Adriatic coast up to modern day Tyrol he would sign peace with the Roman republic. His war against Carthage however would fare much better. From 177 to 171 Hellenic forces would rampage across North Africa, but instead of directly conquering the Carthaginians Phillip would create a puppet council to rule over these new far flung possessions.

With the west secured Phillip turned to Persia, the land that remained unconquered. From 169 to 167 Phillip led forces into the Parthian empire, but during one of his later campaigns he was struck with a strange illness that nearly took his life. Fearing for him his generals took him back to Babylon. But for the Hellenic kingdoms things were about to change drastically. When Phillip recovered he was not the same man, he was paranoid, spiteful, and had become possessed of odd hobbies and beliefs. As the years wore on he increasingly neglected the empire, not helped by his execution of several generals and governors for 'treason'. As he lay on his death bed many of his own achievements would lay in ruin. The Adriatic was in revolt, Carthage had been free for several years, Egypt stood defiant in her rebellion and the Parthian empire encroached in the east. But Phillips last strike would debilitate the empire, fearing his sons would remove him him from the throne he ordered them slain, and not three days later did the Mad King Phillip die, leaving the empire devoid of a clear ruler for the second time in half a century.

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[6] Phillip III, the one with the unusual spelling for his name in the Greek language, killed all his heirs before he died. But like everyone before him, his father and his uncles, he ignored his 'feeble' uncle Philip, still living in the Imperial Palace in Babylon long after his mother, Roxana, had passed. He was now 77 and considered odd, stupid, and barely able to care for himself. The imperial guard were in turmoil after the death of the Mad King and afraid that they might be set upon by the people taking revenge on them for the terror done by the king they had protected. In roaming the palace they came upon Uncle Philip in his bed chamber, his head buried in scrolls that were all upon his bed, totally oblivious to the chaos sweeping the palace. Realizing he was a descendant of Alexander the Great and the older brother of Alexander V, they too him to the throne room, wrapped him in the royal purple robes, crowned him with the golden crown of laurels, and proclaimed him the Great God King, Philip IV.

The head of the guard, Ajax, expected he'd be his puppet as he was feeble minded. It turned out that Philip was anything but feeble minded. He just had been cursed from childhood with a terrible stutter and had withdrawn from trying to express himself. When nervous he basically shut down and just stuttered. When his father had died and all his brothers had gone to war with Alexander V, Philip had decided at the age of 19, (Alexander V was 17,) he was more likely to survive if he never challenge the perception of him all had. Some years into his brother's reign he'd lost the stutter and was more secure in expressing himself to those he trusted, which included the King and their mother. Alexander knew his brother was not feeble but actually very intelligent, in fact what later would be called a genius savant, as did his mother. They kept secret this fact, but Philip was a secret adviser to his brother.

When his nephew took the throne, he was 44 and no one now knew the truth about him except his aged mother, who died shortly thereafter. Philip knew in his gut that he shouldn't trust his nephew Phillip, so he played the feeble fool to him. Most left him alone in his chambers where he devoted himself to studying history.

But as the new God King he was now confidant to find allies he could trust and maneuver them into places of power until he was able to have Ajax arrested and tried for the crimes he'd done for Phillip the Mad. Now Philip was able to secure his Empire and rule it.

Unfortunately this took some time. During these early years the Parthians moved west and north to the caucuses, the Romans conquered the east shore of the Adriatic and Carthage, and made 'alliances' with the Greek city states. A noble family descended from some of Alexander's companions took Macedonia and western Asia Minor out of the Empire and then quickly fell apart into several smaller states. Egypt secured itself as a separate state and the southern part of the Arabian peninsula broke away too.

One thing that Philip IV did was realize that with Parthia having moved into western Iran that Babylon was too close to the border to be a central capital and relocated the capital to Damascus.

Even though he was 77 on taking the throne and had never had a romantic relationship or even just a sexual one, he married the much younger Helen, his nephew's daughter, who gave him five children in the next seven years, three of them sons.

Philip turned out to be a robust man and lived until he was 100 years old. The two major issues he had to deal with during that time was a problem with the Jews in Judaea who rebelled and the other was who would be the major influence in the Greek and Asia Minor states, the Hellenistic Empire or Rome. Philip's final solution in Judaea was to set up an autonomous 'kingdom' there that swore fealty to the Empire. Philip himself went to Jerusalem and prayed in the outer courtyard to the God of the Jews. This pacified the Jews. Unfortunately things didn't go so well with Rome and the states of Greece and Asia Minor. By his death it was clear that Rome was the dominant power in those areas, having won a war with the Hellenistic Empire in 146 in Pergamun. Rome was at the northern border of the Empire, even though officially those states were only 'allies' of Rome. But Roman troops were there.
 
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Sultans of Brunei

Bolkiah[1](House of Bolkiah) 1485-1524


1. He put Sulu Sultanate into the rule of the Bruneian Empire and put the South of the island of Luzon/Saludong under his rule and sacked Tondo and had his grand daughter married to the nobility of Saludong or Northern Luzon(i.e Caboloan) to prevent them from reclaiming Tondo, he had an immense empire consisting with vassals like Mactan and lands like Palawan, his last act was annexing Butuan and Sugbu in 1523 to prevent the Spanish from conquering them.
 
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Sultans of Brunei

Bolkiah[1](House of Bolkiah) 1485-1524


1. He put Sulu Sultanate into the rule of the Bruneian Empire and put the South of the island of Luzon/Saludong under his rule and sacked Tondo and had his grand daughter married to the nobility of Saludong or Northern Luzon(i.e Caboloan) to prevent them from reclaiming Tondo, he had an immense empire consisting with vassals like Mactan and lands like Palawan, his last act was annexing Butuan and Sugbu in 1523 to prevent the Spanish from conquering them.

We do have two running at the same time at the moment - the Alexander one and the Neapolitan one :-(
 
What if Alexander the Great had not died a young man, but had lived to secure his Empire and pass it on to his son, Alexander IV?

What will be the closing date? The year Pompey the Great of Rome conquered the last vestige of Alexander's Empire: 63 BCE


The Great Kings of the Hellenistic World

336 - 287: Alexander III the Great (House of Argead) [1]
287 - 254: Alexander IV the Consolidator (House of Argead) [2]
254 - 214: Seleucus I the Farmer (House of Nicator) [3]
214 - 189: Alexander V (House of Nicator) [4]
189 - 156: Phillip III the Mad (House of Nicator) [5]
156 - 133:
Philip IV the Feeble (House of Nicator) [6]
133 - 108:
Philip V the Spaniard (House of Nicator) [7]

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[1] At first only the King of Macedonia, Alexander III rose to become the great king, in fact a god-king, when he conquered the Persian Empire and then went on to conquer Central Asia and northwest India. He returned to Babylon in 323 and almost died from illness before his son, Alexander IV, was born by his new princess wife, Roxana of Bactria. But Alexander survived the illness and then became a robust and hearty man. He added Arabia to his empire and North Africa all the way to Cyrene. Once he had conquered the world, he set his sights on securing his Empire with good governance and raising his son to continue after him. Still robust in his late 60s it was a shock to the world that the God-King died. It was probably from a heart attack. Alexander IV was now 36 when he became the next God-King.

[2] Alexander IV, the Consolidator began his reign putting down rebellions from would be Kings, most notably from Ptolemy the Younger successfully and Bindusara unsuccessfully resulting in the formation of Maurya Empire in India far from the center of his realm. Still, once his throne was secure he tried to build a reputation as a conquerer by invading Italy.

Here he ran straight into the Roman mandible system which shredded his forces. Despite this, he won battles by his strength of numbers and would have won the war but for the Roman alliance with Carthage, which fearing they were next and for a free hand in Sicily, provided naval support and destroyed the Imperial Navy in a series of engagements, cutting Alexander off from reinforcements and resupply. Blockaded by the Roman Army and the Carthaginian Navy at Naples, Alexander was forced to ransom himself in order to prevent his brother Perseus from seizing the throne back home. After executing his brother, and loosing Egypt to a native revolt (funded with Carthaginian money) he seemed to realize that perhaps he wasn't meant to be conqueror and instead worked very hard at tying what was left of the empire together, a task he was much more successful at. As a result he was able to pass a stable Empire to his son in law, Seleucus.

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[3] Seleucus was the son in law of Alexander IV, married to his daughter, Roxana, named after her grandmother. He was also the grandson of Seleucus Nicator, one of Alexander the Greats generals, for whom he was named. Alexander IV had several sons but most died in battle or young or rapidly showed themselves to be devious and unworthy. Seleucus had shown himself to be an admirable warrior and incredibly fertile - over the course of their marriage, Roxana gave birth over twenty times. Despite his warrior background, he knew that at some point the kingdom would over extend its capability to both support and defend itself and therefore committed to creating stability, transport routes and agriculture (earning him the honorific of The Farmer) to feed his troops. After forty years on the throne, he was succeeded by his seventh son and thirteenth child, Alexander

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[4] On the death of Seleucus it was chaos. Not only did generals rebel, but most of the sons of Seleucus also claimed the throne and battled each other. Roxana's favorite was her youngest surviving son, named Alexander after her father and grandfather, he was the seventh son and thirteenth child. She spread the story that on his death bed Seleucus had given the throne to him with his last word, "Alexander!" Some said it was entirely made up. Others said that Selecus wasn't naming his heir but speaking the name of Alexander the Great as he saw a vision of him. But this was enough for Alexander to be crowned in Babylon and secure the capital. He immediately went to war with his five older brothers who claimed the throne. (One older brother, Philip, was feeble minded and cared for by Roxana.)

One by one he defeated them. The last was Achilles who was based in the homeland of Macedonia. Alexander by then had lost Bactria, Thrace, and Greece from the Empire to locals rebelling. By this time Carthage and Rome were at war with each other, leaving Alexander a free hand to restore the most important province of Egypt. As he secured Egypt, the Parthians revolted. So next was a long war for Iran. By the year 190 BCE a stalemate led to central and eastern Iran now in the new Parthian Empire and only western Iran in the Empire of Alexander. He died a few years later and his Eldest Son, Phillip took the throne.


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[5] A proven warrior and commander in the campaigns against Egypt and Parthia, Phillip was seen at the time as a man of great potential, someone Truly worthy of the legacy of Alexander the great. Indeed, his greatest achievements would come in 178 when he set out to take on the weakened Rome and Carthage. For six years (178-172) his empire would battle the Romans, but he would never land on the Italian peninsula. After conquering the Adriatic coast up to modern day Tyrol he would sign peace with the Roman republic. His war against Carthage however would fare much better. From 177 to 171 Hellenic forces would rampage across North Africa, but instead of directly conquering the Carthaginians Phillip would create a puppet council to rule over these new far flung possessions.

With the west secured Phillip turned to Persia, the land that remained unconquered. From 169 to 167 Phillip led forces into the Parthian empire, but during one of his later campaigns he was struck with a strange illness that nearly took his life. Fearing for him his generals took him back to Babylon. But for the Hellenic kingdoms things were about to change drastically. When Phillip recovered he was not the same man, he was paranoid, spiteful, and had become possessed of odd hobbies and beliefs. As the years wore on he increasingly neglected the empire, not helped by his execution of several generals and governors for 'treason'. As he lay on his death bed many of his own achievements would lay in ruin. The Adriatic was in revolt, Carthage had been free for several years, Egypt stood defiant in her rebellion and the Parthian empire encroached in the east. But Phillips last strike would debilitate the empire, fearing his sons would remove him him from the throne he ordered them slain, and not three days later did the Mad King Phillip die, leaving the empire devoid of a clear ruler for the second time in half a century.


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[6] Phillip III, the one with the unusual spelling for his name in the Greek language, killed all his heirs before he died. But like everyone before him, his father and his uncles, he ignored his 'feeble' uncle Philip, still living in the Imperial Palace in Babylon long after his mother, Roxana, had passed. He was now 77 and considered odd, stupid, and barely able to care for himself. The imperial guard were in turmoil after the death of the Mad King and afraid that they might be set upon by the people taking revenge on them for the terror done by the king they had protected. In roaming the palace they came upon Uncle Philip in his bed chamber, his head buried in scrolls that were all upon his bed, totally oblivious to the chaos sweeping the palace. Realizing he was a descendant of Alexander the Great and the older brother of Alexander V, they too him to the throne room, wrapped him in the royal purple robes, crowned him with the golden crown of laurels, and proclaimed him the Great God King, Philip IV.

The head of the guard, Ajax, expected he'd be his puppet as he was feeble minded. It turned out that Philip was anything but feeble minded. He just had been cursed from childhood with a terrible stutter and had withdrawn from trying to express himself. When nervous he basically shut down and just stuttered. When his father had died and all his brothers had gone to war with Alexander V, Philip had decided at the age of 19, (Alexander V was 17,) he was more likely to survive if he never challenge the perception of him all had. Some years into his brother's reign he'd lost the stutter and was more secure in expressing himself to those he trusted, which included the King and their mother. Alexander knew his brother was not feeble but actually very intelligent, in fact what later would be called a genius savant, as did his mother. They kept secret this fact, but Philip was a secret adviser to his brother.

When his nephew took the throne, he was 44 and no one now knew the truth about him except his aged mother, who died shortly thereafter. Philip knew in his gut that he shouldn't trust his nephew Phillip, so he played the feeble fool to him. Most left him alone in his chambers where he devoted himself to studying history.

But as the new God King he was now confidant to find allies he could trust and maneuver them into places of power until he was able to have Ajax arrested and tried for the crimes he'd done for Phillip the Mad. Now Philip was able to secure his Empire and rule it.

Unfortunately this took some time. During these early years the Parthians moved west and north to the caucuses, the Romans conquered the east shore of the Adriatic and Carthage, and made 'alliances' with the Greek city states. A noble family descended from some of Alexander's companions took Macedonia and western Asia Minor out of the Empire and then quickly fell apart into several smaller states. Egypt secured itself as a separate state and the southern part of the Arabian peninsula broke away too.

One thing that Philip IV did was realize that with Parthia having moved into western Iran that Babylon was too close to the border to be a central capital and relocated the capital to Damascus.

Even though he was 77 on taking the throne and had never had a romantic relationship or even just a sexual one, he married the much younger Helen, his nephew's daughter, who gave him five children in the next seven years, three of them sons.

Philip turned out to be a robust man and lived until he was 100 years old. The two major issues he had to deal with during that time was a problem with the Jews in Judaea who rebelled and the other was who would be the major influence in the Greek and Asia Minor states, the Hellenistic Empire or Rome. Philip's final solution in Judaea was to set up an autonomous 'kingdom' there that swore fealty to the Empire. Philip himself went to Jerusalem and prayed in the outer courtyard to the God of the Jews. This pacified the Jews. Unfortunately things didn't go so well with Rome and the states of Greece and Asia Minor. By his death it was clear that Rome was the dominant power in those areas, having won a war with the Hellenistic Empire in 146 in Pergamun. Rome was at the northern border of the Empire, even though officially those states were only 'allies' of Rome. But Roman troops were there.

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Philip V was Philip IV adopted son - a handsome and ruthless military strategist, from a minor family, adopted when it became clear that Philip IV would not provide further legitimate issue (After the handful he did produce in his seventies died in infancy or as young adults with no issue of their own) and none of the other possible Nicator heirs were really dream candidates. There were rumours across his life that Philip V was actually Philip the Feebles illegitimate son from a liaison with a palace slave from modern day Spain - and later historical and DNA evidence suggests that to be the truth (he is the earliest Hellenistic King with a known tomb). The most scandalous thing about Philip V was that he married a Roman woman - Furia - (daughter of a Roman consul, Lucius Furius Philus) in an attempt by Philip the Feeble to mollify the aggression of the Romans.

It seemed to work for the most part as the two settled into what might be later termed a cold war - armies faced each other across the border but no actual conflict erupted to, despite occasional brief escalation such as the Incident of the Capable Archer where Roman troops were seen to be practising formations and the Hellenistic leaders on the border almost interpreted it as the build up to an invasion. It was only the intervention of a capable archer and lookout that prevented all out bloodshed and invasion.

After twenty five years on the throne, he was found dead in a seemingly locked room and his death has become one of the greatest unanswered murder mysteries of the world. He was replaced by ...
 
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What if the Kingdom of Naples defeated France and Spain in the Second Italian War?

Kings and Queens of Naples

1496 - 1512: Frederick IV the Great (House of Trastamara) [1]
1512 - 1551: Ferdinand III (House of Trastamara) [2]
1551 - 1581: Sebastiano (House of Trastamara) [3]

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[1] Frederick came to the throne in the middle of the First Italian War, where the French invaded and were defeated in 1498 by the League of Venice. When France invaded Milan the very next year with the backing of Venice, Frederick came to the aid of Milan, viewing the French invasion of Milan as a threat his own Kingdom. The war was going well for Frederick, but in 1501 Frederick's Spanish relatives invaded Naples, siding with France. Frederick was able to hold off the enemy, but Milan soon fell. Realising he had to adopt a more offensive strategy, he sent a fleet to Venice, capturing it and forcing the Republic to capitulate.

Luckily for Frederick, Spain and France had recently gone to war over how to split the spoils of war. Frederick offered a defensive pact to Spain against France, which was accepted. Neopolitian and Spanish forces defeated the French in Milan. Spain also launched an invasion into Mainland France, conquering Toulouse. France gave up on the war soon enough, and a peace treaty was signed in 1504

Spain would keep Milan, and Frederick would return the city of Venice in return for a large sum of gold.

In 1508 War of the League of Cambrai broke out, but Frederick did not join the war.

Frederick died age 60 of natural causes, leaving the throne to his only son, Ferdinand, Duke of Calabria.
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[2] Born in 15 December 1488 in Andria, Apulia as son of the future King Frederick and his second wife, Isabella del Balzo. He held the titles of Duke of Calabria and of Apulia.

In January 1505, Ferdinand married, Princess Sibylle of Bavaria, from the house of Wittelsbach, she was the daughter of Duke Albert IV of Bavaria-Munich (1447–1508) from his marriage to Kunigunde of Austria (1465–1520), daughter of Holy Roman Emperor Frederick III. The marriage came two months before the death of her older sister, Sidonie, who was engaged to Elector Palatine Louis V.

Together the pair would have five children, before Sibylle's death in 1519 at the age of 29. Following the death of his first wife, in February 1521, 33 year old Ferdinand married 15 year old, Christine of Saxony (25 December 1505 – 15 April 1549) producing another sixteen children.
There was talks of finding a third wife, with rumoured proposals to Mary, Princess of England or Archduchess Eleanor of Austria, (daughter of Ferdinand I, Holy Roman Emperor and Anna of Bohemia and Hungary), until his own death at the age of 63.

His ruling was seen as fair and just, supporting the Papal State financially against Venice, while holding a strained peace against France to the West. His support of Pope Leo X (1513-1536) and his successor Pope Leo XI (1536-1553 OTL Giovanni Salviati, who was Leo X nephew) gained him the title of "Blessed King Ferdinand, Holy Servant of God"

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[3] Ferdinands grandson, Sebastiano, was quite impressive for a single reason - he managed to rule for a prolonged period and fend off several significant attempts to depose him whilst simultaneously being one of the most unliked monarchs in the history of Naples. Keen to delegate his responsibilities to his relatives and council, he rarely left his chambers, spent an increasing amount on clothes, wine, food and prostitutes, reportedly abused his slaves and some claim he murdered his wife (from an arranged marriage, it was common knowledge that they hated each other) when she attempted to leave him with their only son. At this point, he sent his son to be brought up by priests and passed a law that states his son must not set foot in the palace until he, Sebastiano, had died and walked into the embrace of God. Even attempted intervention by the Pope failed to sway him from being an awful person - perhaps the only thing that put down the attempted depositions was the fact that he had delegated so much power to his council and military leaders that they feared having the power removed by any subsequent ruler - and with his death in 1381, his son having vanished off the face of the kingdom after his banishment to a monastery, there was a host of aunts, uncles and cousins to pass the crown to, eventually being passed to .....
 
Hey I thinking for list pre-modren republic and democracies? But I am not sure to call other perhaps.

A list of Doge, Stadtholder, Consuls and other chief magistrate....

I mean we got one for monarchies and got for modren democracy, so you know.

Sound like a good idea?
 

Crystal

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Hey I thinking for list pre-modren republic and democracies? But I am not sure to call other perhaps.

A list of Doge, Stadtholder, Consuls and other chief magistrate....

I mean we got one for monarchies and got for modren democracy, so you know.

Sound like a good idea?
Sounds alright. It could work, could not. You'd have to see how it goes.

We already have a similar concept going on on this sight, you might want to check it out: https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...ents-and-pms-ii.407398/page-295#post-17498637
 

Crystal

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What if the Kingdom of Naples defeated France and Spain in the Second Italian War?

Kings and Queens of Naples

1496 - 1512: Frederick IV the Great (House of Trastamara) [1]
1512 - 1551: Ferdinand III (House of Trastamara) [2]
1551 - 1581: Sebastiano (House of Trastamara) [3]
1581 - 1607: Nicolo (House of Naples) [4]


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[1] Frederick came to the throne in the middle of the First Italian War, where the French invaded and were defeated in 1498 by the League of Venice. When France invaded Milan the very next year with the backing of Venice, Frederick came to the aid of Milan, viewing the French invasion of Milan as a threat his own Kingdom. The war was going well for Frederick, but in 1501 Frederick's Spanish relatives invaded Naples, siding with France. Frederick was able to hold off the enemy, but Milan soon fell. Realising he had to adopt a more offensive strategy, he sent a fleet to Venice, capturing it and forcing the Republic to capitulate.

Luckily for Frederick, Spain and France had recently gone to war over how to split the spoils of war. Frederick offered a defensive pact to Spain against France, which was accepted. Neopolitian and Spanish forces defeated the French in Milan. Spain also launched an invasion into Mainland France, conquering Toulouse. France gave up on the war soon enough, and a peace treaty was signed in 1504

Spain would keep Milan, and Frederick would return the city of Venice in return for a large sum of gold.

In 1508 War of the League of Cambrai broke out, but Frederick did not join the war.

Frederick died age 60 of natural causes, leaving the throne to his only son, Ferdinand, Duke of Calabria.
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[2] Born in 15 December 1488 in Andria, Apulia as son of the future King Frederick and his second wife, Isabella del Balzo. He held the titles of Duke of Calabria and of Apulia.

In January 1505, Ferdinand married, Princess Sibylle of Bavaria, from the house of Wittelsbach, she was the daughter of Duke Albert IV of Bavaria-Munich (1447–1508) from his marriage to Kunigunde of Austria (1465–1520), daughter of Holy Roman Emperor Frederick III. The marriage came two months before the death of her older sister, Sidonie, who was engaged to Elector Palatine Louis V.

Together the pair would have five children, before Sibylle's death in 1519 at the age of 29. Following the death of his first wife, in February 1521, 33 year old Ferdinand married 15 year old, Christine of Saxony (25 December 1505 – 15 April 1549) producing another sixteen children.
There was talks of finding a third wife, with rumoured proposals to Mary, Princess of England or Archduchess Eleanor of Austria, (daughter of Ferdinand I, Holy Roman Emperor and Anna of Bohemia and Hungary), until his own death at the age of 63.

His ruling was seen as fair and just, supporting the Papal State financially against Venice, while holding a strained peace against France to the West. His support of Pope Leo X (1513-1536) and his successor Pope Leo XI (1536-1553 OTL Giovanni Salviati, who was Leo X nephew) gained him the title of "Blessed King Ferdinand, Holy Servant of God"

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[3] Ferdinands grandson, Sebastiano, was quite impressive for a single reason - he managed to rule for a prolonged period and fend off several significant attempts to depose him whilst simultaneously being one of the most unliked monarchs in the history of Naples. Keen to delegate his responsibilities to his relatives and council, he rarely left his chambers, spent an increasing amount on clothes, wine, food and prostitutes, reportedly abused his slaves and some claim he murdered his wife (from an arranged marriage, it was common knowledge that they hated each other) when she attempted to leave him with their only son. At this point, he sent his son to be brought up by priests and passed a law that states his son must not set foot in the palace until he, Sebastiano, had died and walked into the embrace of God. Even attempted intervention by the Pope failed to sway him from being an awful person - perhaps the only thing that put down the attempted depositions was the fact that he had delegated so much power to his council and military leaders that they feared having the power removed by any subsequent ruler - and with his death in 1381, his son having vanished off the face of the kingdom after his banishment to a monastery, there was a host of aunts, uncles and cousins to pass the crown to, eventually being passed to his brother, Nicolo.

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[4] As the younger brother of Sebastino, many were worried that Nicolo would turn out to be like his brother, so the first thing Nicolo did when he was crowned was found a new house for himself, the House of Naples. When he inherited the throne, the Royal coffers were drained and the country was heading towards a economic crisis.

Nicolo decided to reinvent the tax system, and cut unnecessary costs. This made him unpopular with his nobles, some of whom conspired against him, but nothing major ever came of it. Nicolo sold a number royal palaces and wore mostly plain clothes. Despite this, the economy had made a full recovery by 1593, and now Nicolo was looking to expand.

The Neopolitan colonies of Brasile del Nord (meaning North Brazil, stretches from the Amazon to modern day French Guiana) and the Bahamas, defending by a grand navy that Nicolo had built.

In 1600 Venice and Naples went to war over control of the Mediterranean. When Spain did not defend Naples from the Venetian aggressors, Nicolo was very angry, but did not show it to the Spanish, fearing possible backlash from the Habsburgs. In 1601, the Treaty of Venice was signed. The war was inconclusive, and was considered a waste of time, even by Nicolo himself. Regardless, Nicolo remained one of the most celebrated and popular Kings of Naples.

In 1607, Nicolo died of Cancer age 66, leaving the throne to his _,_
 
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What if Alexander the Great had not died a young man, but had lived to secure his Empire and pass it on to his son, Alexander IV?

What will be the closing date? The year Pompey the Great of Rome conquered the last vestige of Alexander's Empire: 63 BCE


The Great Kings of the Hellenistic World

336 - 287: Alexander III the Great (House of Argead) [1]
287 - 254: Alexander IV the Consolidator (House of Argead) [2]
254 - 214: Seleucus I the Farmer (House of Nicator) [3]
214 - 189: Alexander V (House of Nicator) [4]
189 - 156: Phillip III the Mad (House of Nicator) [5]
156 - 133:
Philip IV the Feeble (House of Nicator) [6]
133 - 108:
Philip V the Spaniard (House of Nicator) [7]

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[1] At first only the King of Macedonia, Alexander III rose to become the great king, in fact a god-king, when he conquered the Persian Empire and then went on to conquer Central Asia and northwest India. He returned to Babylon in 323 and almost died from illness before his son, Alexander IV, was born by his new princess wife, Roxana of Bactria. But Alexander survived the illness and then became a robust and hearty man. He added Arabia to his empire and North Africa all the way to Cyrene. Once he had conquered the world, he set his sights on securing his Empire with good governance and raising his son to continue after him. Still robust in his late 60s it was a shock to the world that the God-King died. It was probably from a heart attack. Alexander IV was now 36 when he became the next God-King.

[2] Alexander IV, the Consolidator began his reign putting down rebellions from would be Kings, most notably from Ptolemy the Younger successfully and Bindusara unsuccessfully resulting in the formation of Maurya Empire in India far from the center of his realm. Still, once his throne was secure he tried to build a reputation as a conquerer by invading Italy.

Here he ran straight into the Roman mandible system which shredded his forces. Despite this, he won battles by his strength of numbers and would have won the war but for the Roman alliance with Carthage, which fearing they were next and for a free hand in Sicily, provided naval support and destroyed the Imperial Navy in a series of engagements, cutting Alexander off from reinforcements and resupply. Blockaded by the Roman Army and the Carthaginian Navy at Naples, Alexander was forced to ransom himself in order to prevent his brother Perseus from seizing the throne back home. After executing his brother, and loosing Egypt to a native revolt (funded with Carthaginian money) he seemed to realize that perhaps he wasn't meant to be conqueror and instead worked very hard at tying what was left of the empire together, a task he was much more successful at. As a result he was able to pass a stable Empire to his son in law, Seleucus.

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[3] Seleucus was the son in law of Alexander IV, married to his daughter, Roxana, named after her grandmother. He was also the grandson of Seleucus Nicator, one of Alexander the Greats generals, for whom he was named. Alexander IV had several sons but most died in battle or young or rapidly showed themselves to be devious and unworthy. Seleucus had shown himself to be an admirable warrior and incredibly fertile - over the course of their marriage, Roxana gave birth over twenty times. Despite his warrior background, he knew that at some point the kingdom would over extend its capability to both support and defend itself and therefore committed to creating stability, transport routes and agriculture (earning him the honorific of The Farmer) to feed his troops. After forty years on the throne, he was succeeded by his seventh son and thirteenth child, Alexander

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[4] On the death of Seleucus it was chaos. Not only did generals rebel, but most of the sons of Seleucus also claimed the throne and battled each other. Roxana's favorite was her youngest surviving son, named Alexander after her father and grandfather, he was the seventh son and thirteenth child. She spread the story that on his death bed Seleucus had given the throne to him with his last word, "Alexander!" Some said it was entirely made up. Others said that Selecus wasn't naming his heir but speaking the name of Alexander the Great as he saw a vision of him. But this was enough for Alexander to be crowned in Babylon and secure the capital. He immediately went to war with his five older brothers who claimed the throne. (One older brother, Philip, was feeble minded and cared for by Roxana.)

One by one he defeated them. The last was Achilles who was based in the homeland of Macedonia. Alexander by then had lost Bactria, Thrace, and Greece from the Empire to locals rebelling. By this time Carthage and Rome were at war with each other, leaving Alexander a free hand to restore the most important province of Egypt. As he secured Egypt, the Parthians revolted. So next was a long war for Iran. By the year 190 BCE a stalemate led to central and eastern Iran now in the new Parthian Empire and only western Iran in the Empire of Alexander. He died a few years later and his Eldest Son, Phillip took the throne.


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[5] A proven warrior and commander in the campaigns against Egypt and Parthia, Phillip was seen at the time as a man of great potential, someone Truly worthy of the legacy of Alexander the great. Indeed, his greatest achievements would come in 178 when he set out to take on the weakened Rome and Carthage. For six years (178-172) his empire would battle the Romans, but he would never land on the Italian peninsula. After conquering the Adriatic coast up to modern day Tyrol he would sign peace with the Roman republic. His war against Carthage however would fare much better. From 177 to 171 Hellenic forces would rampage across North Africa, but instead of directly conquering the Carthaginians Phillip would create a puppet council to rule over these new far flung possessions.

With the west secured Phillip turned to Persia, the land that remained unconquered. From 169 to 167 Phillip led forces into the Parthian empire, but during one of his later campaigns he was struck with a strange illness that nearly took his life. Fearing for him his generals took him back to Babylon. But for the Hellenic kingdoms things were about to change drastically. When Phillip recovered he was not the same man, he was paranoid, spiteful, and had become possessed of odd hobbies and beliefs. As the years wore on he increasingly neglected the empire, not helped by his execution of several generals and governors for 'treason'. As he lay on his death bed many of his own achievements would lay in ruin. The Adriatic was in revolt, Carthage had been free for several years, Egypt stood defiant in her rebellion and the Parthian empire encroached in the east. But Phillips last strike would debilitate the empire, fearing his sons would remove him him from the throne he ordered them slain, and not three days later did the Mad King Phillip die, leaving the empire devoid of a clear ruler for the second time in half a century.


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[6] Phillip III, the one with the unusual spelling for his name in the Greek language, killed all his heirs before he died. But like everyone before him, his father and his uncles, he ignored his 'feeble' uncle Philip, still living in the Imperial Palace in Babylon long after his mother, Roxana, had passed. He was now 77 and considered odd, stupid, and barely able to care for himself. The imperial guard were in turmoil after the death of the Mad King and afraid that they might be set upon by the people taking revenge on them for the terror done by the king they had protected. In roaming the palace they came upon Uncle Philip in his bed chamber, his head buried in scrolls that were all upon his bed, totally oblivious to the chaos sweeping the palace. Realizing he was a descendant of Alexander the Great and the older brother of Alexander V, they too him to the throne room, wrapped him in the royal purple robes, crowned him with the golden crown of laurels, and proclaimed him the Great God King, Philip IV.

The head of the guard, Ajax, expected he'd be his puppet as he was feeble minded. It turned out that Philip was anything but feeble minded. He just had been cursed from childhood with a terrible stutter and had withdrawn from trying to express himself. When nervous he basically shut down and just stuttered. When his father had died and all his brothers had gone to war with Alexander V, Philip had decided at the age of 19, (Alexander V was 17,) he was more likely to survive if he never challenge the perception of him all had. Some years into his brother's reign he'd lost the stutter and was more secure in expressing himself to those he trusted, which included the King and their mother. Alexander knew his brother was not feeble but actually very intelligent, in fact what later would be called a genius savant, as did his mother. They kept secret this fact, but Philip was a secret adviser to his brother.

When his nephew took the throne, he was 44 and no one now knew the truth about him except his aged mother, who died shortly thereafter. Philip knew in his gut that he shouldn't trust his nephew Phillip, so he played the feeble fool to him. Most left him alone in his chambers where he devoted himself to studying history.

But as the new God King he was now confidant to find allies he could trust and maneuver them into places of power until he was able to have Ajax arrested and tried for the crimes he'd done for Phillip the Mad. Now Philip was able to secure his Empire and rule it.

Unfortunately this took some time. During these early years the Parthians moved west and north to the caucuses, the Romans conquered the east shore of the Adriatic and Carthage, and made 'alliances' with the Greek city states. A noble family descended from some of Alexander's companions took Macedonia and western Asia Minor out of the Empire and then quickly fell apart into several smaller states. Egypt secured itself as a separate state and the southern part of the Arabian peninsula broke away too.

One thing that Philip IV did was realize that with Parthia having moved into western Iran that Babylon was too close to the border to be a central capital and relocated the capital to Damascus.

Even though he was 77 on taking the throne and had never had a romantic relationship or even just a sexual one, he married the much younger Helen, his nephew's daughter, who gave him five children in the next seven years, three of them sons.

Philip turned out to be a robust man and lived until he was 100 years old. The two major issues he had to deal with during that time was a problem with the Jews in Judaea who rebelled and the other was who would be the major influence in the Greek and Asia Minor states, the Hellenistic Empire or Rome. Philip's final solution in Judaea was to set up an autonomous 'kingdom' there that swore fealty to the Empire. Philip himself went to Jerusalem and prayed in the outer courtyard to the God of the Jews. This pacified the Jews. Unfortunately things didn't go so well with Rome and the states of Greece and Asia Minor. By his death it was clear that Rome was the dominant power in those areas, having won a war with the Hellenistic Empire in 146 in Pergamun. Rome was at the northern border of the Empire, even though officially those states were only 'allies' of Rome. But Roman troops were there.

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Philip V was Philip IV adopted son - a handsome and ruthless military strategist, from a minor family, adopted when it became clear that Philip IV would not provide legitimate issue and none of the other possible Nicator heirs were really dream candidates. There were rumours across his life that Philip V was actually Philip the Feebles illegitimate son from a liaison with a palace slave from modern day Spain - and later historical and DNA evidence suggests that to be the truth (he is the earliest Hellenistic King with a known tomb). The most scandalous thing about Philip V was that he married a Roman woman - Furia - (daughter of a Roman consul, Lucius Furius Philus) in an attempt by Philip the Feeble to mollify the aggression of the Romans.

It seemed to work for the most part as the two settled into what might be later termed a cold war - armies faced each other across the border but no actual conflict erupted to, despite occasional brief escalation such as the Incident of the Capable Archer where Roman troops were seen to be practising formations and the Hellenistic leaders on the border almost interpreted it as the build up to an invasion. It was only the intervention of a capable archer and lookout that prevented all out bloodshed and invasion.

After twenty five years on the throne, he was found dead in a seemingly locked room and his death has become one of the greatest unanswered murder mysteries of the world. He was replaced by ...

Um it was already stated that Philip IV had 3 sons
 

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What if Alexander the Great had not died a young man, but had lived to secure his Empire and pass it on to his son, Alexander IV?

What will be the closing date? The year Pompey the Great of Rome conquered the last vestige of Alexander's Empire: 63 BCE


The Great Kings of the Hellenistic World

336 - 287: Alexander III the Great (House of Argead) [1]
287 - 254: Alexander IV the Consolidator (House of Argead) [2]
254 - 214: Seleucus I the Farmer (House of Nicator) [3]
214 - 189: Alexander V (House of Nicator) [4]
189 - 156: Phillip III the Mad (House of Nicator) [5]
156 - 133:
Philip IV the Feeble (House of Nicator) [6]
133 - 108:
Philip V the Spaniard (House of Nicator) [7]

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[1] At first only the King of Macedonia, Alexander III rose to become the great king, in fact a god-king, when he conquered the Persian Empire and then went on to conquer Central Asia and northwest India. He returned to Babylon in 323 and almost died from illness before his son, Alexander IV, was born by his new princess wife, Roxana of Bactria. But Alexander survived the illness and then became a robust and hearty man. He added Arabia to his empire and North Africa all the way to Cyrene. Once he had conquered the world, he set his sights on securing his Empire with good governance and raising his son to continue after him. Still robust in his late 60s it was a shock to the world that the God-King died. It was probably from a heart attack. Alexander IV was now 36 when he became the next God-King.

[2] Alexander IV, the Consolidator began his reign putting down rebellions from would be Kings, most notably from Ptolemy the Younger successfully and Bindusara unsuccessfully resulting in the formation of Maurya Empire in India far from the center of his realm. Still, once his throne was secure he tried to build a reputation as a conquerer by invading Italy.

Here he ran straight into the Roman mandible system which shredded his forces. Despite this, he won battles by his strength of numbers and would have won the war but for the Roman alliance with Carthage, which fearing they were next and for a free hand in Sicily, provided naval support and destroyed the Imperial Navy in a series of engagements, cutting Alexander off from reinforcements and resupply. Blockaded by the Roman Army and the Carthaginian Navy at Naples, Alexander was forced to ransom himself in order to prevent his brother Perseus from seizing the throne back home. After executing his brother, and loosing Egypt to a native revolt (funded with Carthaginian money) he seemed to realize that perhaps he wasn't meant to be conqueror and instead worked very hard at tying what was left of the empire together, a task he was much more successful at. As a result he was able to pass a stable Empire to his son in law, Seleucus.

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[3] Seleucus was the son in law of Alexander IV, married to his daughter, Roxana, named after her grandmother. He was also the grandson of Seleucus Nicator, one of Alexander the Greats generals, for whom he was named. Alexander IV had several sons but most died in battle or young or rapidly showed themselves to be devious and unworthy. Seleucus had shown himself to be an admirable warrior and incredibly fertile - over the course of their marriage, Roxana gave birth over twenty times. Despite his warrior background, he knew that at some point the kingdom would over extend its capability to both support and defend itself and therefore committed to creating stability, transport routes and agriculture (earning him the honorific of The Farmer) to feed his troops. After forty years on the throne, he was succeeded by his seventh son and thirteenth child, Alexander

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[4] On the death of Seleucus it was chaos. Not only did generals rebel, but most of the sons of Seleucus also claimed the throne and battled each other. Roxana's favorite was her youngest surviving son, named Alexander after her father and grandfather, he was the seventh son and thirteenth child. She spread the story that on his death bed Seleucus had given the throne to him with his last word, "Alexander!" Some said it was entirely made up. Others said that Selecus wasn't naming his heir but speaking the name of Alexander the Great as he saw a vision of him. But this was enough for Alexander to be crowned in Babylon and secure the capital. He immediately went to war with his five older brothers who claimed the throne. (One older brother, Philip, was feeble minded and cared for by Roxana.)

One by one he defeated them. The last was Achilles who was based in the homeland of Macedonia. Alexander by then had lost Bactria, Thrace, and Greece from the Empire to locals rebelling. By this time Carthage and Rome were at war with each other, leaving Alexander a free hand to restore the most important province of Egypt. As he secured Egypt, the Parthians revolted. So next was a long war for Iran. By the year 190 BCE a stalemate led to central and eastern Iran now in the new Parthian Empire and only western Iran in the Empire of Alexander. He died a few years later and his Eldest Son, Phillip took the throne.


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[5] A proven warrior and commander in the campaigns against Egypt and Parthia, Phillip was seen at the time as a man of great potential, someone Truly worthy of the legacy of Alexander the great. Indeed, his greatest achievements would come in 178 when he set out to take on the weakened Rome and Carthage. For six years (178-172) his empire would battle the Romans, but he would never land on the Italian peninsula. After conquering the Adriatic coast up to modern day Tyrol he would sign peace with the Roman republic. His war against Carthage however would fare much better. From 177 to 171 Hellenic forces would rampage across North Africa, but instead of directly conquering the Carthaginians Phillip would create a puppet council to rule over these new far flung possessions.

With the west secured Phillip turned to Persia, the land that remained unconquered. From 169 to 167 Phillip led forces into the Parthian empire, but during one of his later campaigns he was struck with a strange illness that nearly took his life. Fearing for him his generals took him back to Babylon. But for the Hellenic kingdoms things were about to change drastically. When Phillip recovered he was not the same man, he was paranoid, spiteful, and had become possessed of odd hobbies and beliefs. As the years wore on he increasingly neglected the empire, not helped by his execution of several generals and governors for 'treason'. As he lay on his death bed many of his own achievements would lay in ruin. The Adriatic was in revolt, Carthage had been free for several years, Egypt stood defiant in her rebellion and the Parthian empire encroached in the east. But Phillips last strike would debilitate the empire, fearing his sons would remove him him from the throne he ordered them slain, and not three days later did the Mad King Phillip die, leaving the empire devoid of a clear ruler for the second time in half a century.


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[6] Phillip III, the one with the unusual spelling for his name in the Greek language, killed all his heirs before he died. But like everyone before him, his father and his uncles, he ignored his 'feeble' uncle Philip, still living in the Imperial Palace in Babylon long after his mother, Roxana, had passed. He was now 77 and considered odd, stupid, and barely able to care for himself. The imperial guard were in turmoil after the death of the Mad King and afraid that they might be set upon by the people taking revenge on them for the terror done by the king they had protected. In roaming the palace they came upon Uncle Philip in his bed chamber, his head buried in scrolls that were all upon his bed, totally oblivious to the chaos sweeping the palace. Realizing he was a descendant of Alexander the Great and the older brother of Alexander V, they too him to the throne room, wrapped him in the royal purple robes, crowned him with the golden crown of laurels, and proclaimed him the Great God King, Philip IV.

The head of the guard, Ajax, expected he'd be his puppet as he was feeble minded. It turned out that Philip was anything but feeble minded. He just had been cursed from childhood with a terrible stutter and had withdrawn from trying to express himself. When nervous he basically shut down and just stuttered. When his father had died and all his brothers had gone to war with Alexander V, Philip had decided at the age of 19, (Alexander V was 17,) he was more likely to survive if he never challenge the perception of him all had. Some years into his brother's reign he'd lost the stutter and was more secure in expressing himself to those he trusted, which included the King and their mother. Alexander knew his brother was not feeble but actually very intelligent, in fact what later would be called a genius savant, as did his mother. They kept secret this fact, but Philip was a secret adviser to his brother.

When his nephew took the throne, he was 44 and no one now knew the truth about him except his aged mother, who died shortly thereafter. Philip knew in his gut that he shouldn't trust his nephew Phillip, so he played the feeble fool to him. Most left him alone in his chambers where he devoted himself to studying history.

But as the new God King he was now confidant to find allies he could trust and maneuver them into places of power until he was able to have Ajax arrested and tried for the crimes he'd done for Phillip the Mad. Now Philip was able to secure his Empire and rule it.

Unfortunately this took some time. During these early years the Parthians moved west and north to the caucuses, the Romans conquered the east shore of the Adriatic and Carthage, and made 'alliances' with the Greek city states. A noble family descended from some of Alexander's companions took Macedonia and western Asia Minor out of the Empire and then quickly fell apart into several smaller states. Egypt secured itself as a separate state and the southern part of the Arabian peninsula broke away too.

One thing that Philip IV did was realize that with Parthia having moved into western Iran that Babylon was too close to the border to be a central capital and relocated the capital to Damascus.

Even though he was 77 on taking the throne and had never had a romantic relationship or even just a sexual one, he married the much younger Helen, his nephew's daughter, who gave him five children in the next seven years, three of them sons.

Philip turned out to be a robust man and lived until he was 100 years old. The two major issues he had to deal with during that time was a problem with the Jews in Judaea who rebelled and the other was who would be the major influence in the Greek and Asia Minor states, the Hellenistic Empire or Rome. Philip's final solution in Judaea was to set up an autonomous 'kingdom' there that swore fealty to the Empire. Philip himself went to Jerusalem and prayed in the outer courtyard to the God of the Jews. This pacified the Jews. Unfortunately things didn't go so well with Rome and the states of Greece and Asia Minor. By his death it was clear that Rome was the dominant power in those areas, having won a war with the Hellenistic Empire in 146 in Pergamun. Rome was at the northern border of the Empire, even though officially those states were only 'allies' of Rome. But Roman troops were there.

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[7]
Philip V was Philip IV adopted son - a handsome and ruthless military strategist, from a minor family, adopted when it became clear that Philip IV would not provide legitimate issue and none of the other possible Nicator heirs were really dream candidates. There were rumours across his life that Philip V was actually Philip the Feebles illegitimate son from a liaison with a palace slave from modern day Spain - and later historical and DNA evidence suggests that to be the truth (he is the earliest Hellenistic King with a known tomb). The most scandalous thing about Philip V was that he married a Roman woman - Furia - (daughter of a Roman consul, Lucius Furius Philus) in an attempt by Philip the Feeble to mollify the aggression of the Romans.

It seemed to work for the most part as the two settled into what might be later termed a cold war - armies faced each other across the border but no actual conflict erupted to, despite occasional brief escalation such as the Incident of the Capable Archer where Roman troops were seen to be practising formations and the Hellenistic leaders on the border almost interpreted it as the build up to an invasion. It was only the intervention of a capable archer and lookout that prevented all out bloodshed and invasion.

After twenty five years on the throne, he was found dead in a seemingly locked room and his death has become one of the greatest unanswered murder mysteries of the world. He was replaced by ...

Sorry, don’t mean to disturb the thread but wanted to ask what movie that last picture from
 
Um it was already stated that Philip IV had 3 sons

Given that he was very old when he had them, let's assume non lived to adulthood and that Philip IV may have even been adopted and been made the heir prior to the legitimate issue.

Edited to clarify the children died in infancy or as young adults.

Sorry, don’t mean to disturb the thread but wanted to ask what movie that last picture from

Sasha Roiz in Pompeii.
 
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[3] with his death in 1381, his son having vanished off the face of the kingdom after his banishment to a monastery, there was a host of aunts, uncles and cousins to pass the crown to, eventually being passed to his son, Nicolo.
[4] As the son of Sebastino, many were worried that Nicolo would turn out to be like his father, so the first thing Nicolo did when he was crowned was found a new house for himself, the House of Naples.
The son of Sebastino went missing, and should have been succeeded by either an uncle, or cousin.

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The son of Sebastino went missing, and should have been succeeded by either an uncle, or cousin.

Once edited I’ll claim
Alright, I think it's all good now. I chose a brother to succeed him, not an uncle/cousin, but I don't see anything saying that he never had a brother
 
What if the Kingdom of Naples defeated France and Spain in the Second Italian War?

Kings of Naples
1496 - 1512: Frederick IV the Great (House of Trastamara) [1]
1512 - 1551: Ferdinand III (House of Trastamara) [2]
1551 - 1581: Sebastiano (House of Trastamara) [3]
1581 - 1607: Nicolo (House of Naples) [4]
1607 - 1609: Frederick V (House of Naples) [5]

Kings and Queens of Naples and Tuscany
1609-1639: Frederick V (House of Naples) [5]

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[1] Frederick came to the throne in the middle of the First Italian War, where the French invaded and were defeated in 1498 by the League of Venice. When France invaded Milan the very next year with the backing of Venice, Frederick came to the aid of Milan, viewing the French invasion of Milan as a threat his own Kingdom. The war was going well for Frederick, but in 1501 Frederick's Spanish relatives invaded Naples, siding with France. Frederick was able to hold off the enemy, but Milan soon fell. Realising he had to adopt a more offensive strategy, he sent a fleet to Venice, capturing it and forcing the Republic to capitulate.

Luckily for Frederick, Spain and France had recently gone to war over how to split the spoils of war. Frederick offered a defensive pact to Spain against France, which was accepted. Neopolitian and Spanish forces defeated the French in Milan. Spain also launched an invasion into Mainland France, conquering Toulouse. France gave up on the war soon enough, and a peace treaty was signed in 1504

Spain would keep Milan, and Frederick would return the city of Venice in return for a large sum of gold.

In 1508 War of the League of Cambrai broke out, but Frederick did not join the war.

Frederick died age 60 of natural causes, leaving the throne to his only son, Ferdinand, Duke of Calabria.
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[2] Born in 15 December 1488 in Andria, Apulia as son of the future King Frederick and his second wife, Isabella del Balzo. He held the titles of Duke of Calabria and of Apulia.

In January 1505, Ferdinand married, Princess Sibylle of Bavaria, from the house of Wittelsbach, she was the daughter of Duke Albert IV of Bavaria-Munich (1447–1508) from his marriage to Kunigunde of Austria (1465–1520), daughter of Holy Roman Emperor Frederick III. The marriage came two months before the death of her older sister, Sidonie, who was engaged to Elector Palatine Louis V.

Together the pair would have five children, before Sibylle's death in 1519 at the age of 29. Following the death of his first wife, in February 1521, 33 year old Ferdinand married 15 year old, Christine of Saxony (25 December 1505 – 15 April 1549) producing another sixteen children.
There was talks of finding a third wife, with rumoured proposals to Mary, Princess of England or Archduchess Eleanor of Austria, (daughter of Ferdinand I, Holy Roman Emperor and Anna of Bohemia and Hungary), until his own death at the age of 63.

His ruling was seen as fair and just, supporting the Papal State financially against Venice, while holding a strained peace against France to the West. His support of Pope Leo X (1513-1536) and his successor Pope Leo XI (1536-1553 OTL Giovanni Salviati, who was Leo X nephew) gained him the title of "Blessed King Ferdinand, Holy Servant of God"

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[3] Ferdinands grandson, Sebastiano, was quite impressive for a single reason - he managed to rule for a prolonged period and fend off several significant attempts to depose him whilst simultaneously being one of the most unliked monarchs in the history of Naples. Keen to delegate his responsibilities to his relatives and council, he rarely left his chambers, spent an increasing amount on clothes, wine, food and prostitutes, reportedly abused his slaves and some claim he murdered his wife (from an arranged marriage, it was common knowledge that they hated each other) when she attempted to leave him with their only son. At this point, he sent his son to be brought up by priests and passed a law that states his son must not set foot in the palace until he, Sebastiano, had died and walked into the embrace of God. Even attempted intervention by the Pope failed to sway him from being an awful person - perhaps the only thing that put down the attempted depositions was the fact that he had delegated so much power to his council and military leaders that they feared having the power removed by any subsequent ruler - and with his death in 1381, his son having vanished off the face of the kingdom after his banishment to a monastery, there was a host of aunts, uncles and cousins to pass the crown to, eventually being passed to his brother, Nicolo.


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[4] As the younger brother of Sebastino, many were worried that Nicolo would turn out to be like his brother, so the first thing Nicolo did when he was crowned was found a new house for himself, the House of Naples. When he inherited the throne, the Royal coffers were drained and the country was heading towards a economic crisis.

Nicolo decided to reinvent the tax system, and cut unnecessary costs. This made him unpopular with his nobles, some of whom conspired against him, but nothing major ever came of it. Nicolo sold a number royal palaces and wore mostly plain clothes. Despite this, the economy had made a full recovery by 1593, and now Nicolo was looking to expand.

The Neopolitan colonies of Brasile del Nord (meaning North Brazil, stretches from the Amazon to modern day French Guiana) and the Bahamas, defending by a grand navy that Nicolo had built.

In 1600 Venice and Naples went to war over control of the Mediterranean. When Spain did not defend Naples from the Venetian aggressors, Nicolo was very angry, but did not show it to the Spanish, fearing possible backlash from the Habsburgs. In 1601, the Treaty of Venice was signed. The war was inconclusive, and was considered a waste of time, even by Nicolo himself. Regardless, Nicolo remained one of the most celebrated and popular Kings of Naples.

In 1607, Nicolo died of Cancer age 66, leaving the throne to son, Prince Frederick.

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[5] Frederick, was born in 1571, son of Nicolo and his wife, Elisabeth of Austria, daughter of Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor, and Maria of Spain. This marriage was arranged as a Habsburg attempt to influence the running of Naples.

Growing up during the reign of his eccentric uncle, Frederick, would be educated by his father, regarding matters of state and foreign politics.

At the age of ten, he became heir following his uncles death and his father’s succession and would continue being tutored by his father and shadow him.

His marriage was arranged by his father to Maria de’ Medici at the Palazzo Pitti of Florence, Italy, the sixth daughter of Francesco I de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany, and Archduchess Joanna of Austria.

The death of his father from cancer and Frederick succession, came at the age of 36 and his preparation set him in good stead, he was able to continue his father's strong economy policy assisted by colonial trade, helping to assist with the Navy and Army.

When Maria’s uncle, Cardinal and Grand Duke Ferdinando II of Tuscany died in 1609, King Frederick, claimed her father’s throne on behalf of her, uniting the two nations and elevating the later nation to a Kingdom.
To placate, Pope Julius III and his Papal State, who now found its self sharing borders with the Union of Naples and Tuscany, King Frederick would pledge loyal allegiance to his Holiness, signed a non-aggression agreement, along with a yearly "loyalty tax," a tax used by the Pope to invest in its army and navy.

His death in 1639, at the age of 68, came following three years of declining health. He was succeeded by his son, Prince ______.
 
What if Alexander the Great had not died a young man, but had lived to secure his Empire and pass it on to his son, Alexander IV?

The Great Kings of the Hellenistic World
336 - 287: Alexander III the Great (House of Argead) [1]
287 - 254: Alexander IV the Consolidator (House of Argead) [2]
254 - 214: Seleucus I the Farmer (House of Nicator) [3]
214 - 189: Alexander V (House of Nicator) [4]
189 - 156: Phillip III the Mad (House of Nicator) [5]
156 - 133:
Philip IV the Feeble (House of Nicator) [6]
133 - 108:
Philip V the Spaniard (House of Nicator) [7]
108 - 101: Perdiccas IV the Brute (House of Nicator) [8]

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[1] At first only the King of Macedonia, Alexander III rose to become the great king, in fact a god-king, when he conquered the Persian Empire and then went on to conquer Central Asia and northwest India. He returned to Babylon in 323 and almost died from illness before his son, Alexander IV, was born by his new princess wife, Roxana of Bactria. But Alexander survived the illness and then became a robust and hearty man. He added Arabia to his empire and North Africa all the way to Cyrene. Once he had conquered the world, he set his sights on securing his Empire with good governance and raising his son to continue after him. Still robust in his late 60s it was a shock to the world that the God-King died. It was probably from a heart attack. Alexander IV was now 36 when he became the next God-King.

[2] Alexander IV, the Consolidator began his reign putting down rebellions from would be Kings, most notably from Ptolemy the Younger successfully and Bindusara unsuccessfully resulting in the formation of Maurya Empire in India far from the center of his realm. Still, once his throne was secure he tried to build a reputation as a conquerer by invading Italy.

Here he ran straight into the Roman mandible system which shredded his forces. Despite this, he won battles by his strength of numbers and would have won the war but for the Roman alliance with Carthage, which fearing they were next and for a free hand in Sicily, provided naval support and destroyed the Imperial Navy in a series of engagements, cutting Alexander off from reinforcements and resupply. Blockaded by the Roman Army and the Carthaginian Navy at Naples, Alexander was forced to ransom himself in order to prevent his brother Perseus from seizing the throne back home. After executing his brother, and loosing Egypt to a native revolt (funded with Carthaginian money) he seemed to realize that perhaps he wasn't meant to be conqueror and instead worked very hard at tying what was left of the empire together, a task he was much more successful at. As a result he was able to pass a stable Empire to his son in law, Seleucus.

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[3] Seleucus was the son in law of Alexander IV, married to his daughter, Roxana, named after her grandmother. He was also the grandson of Seleucus Nicator, one of Alexander the Greats generals, for whom he was named. Alexander IV had several sons but most died in battle or young or rapidly showed themselves to be devious and unworthy. Seleucus had shown himself to be an admirable warrior and incredibly fertile - over the course of their marriage, Roxana gave birth over twenty times. Despite his warrior background, he knew that at some point the kingdom would over extend its capability to both support and defend itself and therefore committed to creating stability, transport routes and agriculture (earning him the honorific of The Farmer) to feed his troops. After forty years on the throne, he was succeeded by his seventh son and thirteenth child, Alexander

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[4] On the death of Seleucus it was chaos. Not only did generals rebel, but most of the sons of Seleucus also claimed the throne and battled each other. Roxana's favorite was her youngest surviving son, named Alexander after her father and grandfather, he was the seventh son and thirteenth child. She spread the story that on his death bed Seleucus had given the throne to him with his last word, "Alexander!" Some said it was entirely made up. Others said that Selecus wasn't naming his heir but speaking the name of Alexander the Great as he saw a vision of him. But this was enough for Alexander to be crowned in Babylon and secure the capital. He immediately went to war with his five older brothers who claimed the throne. (One older brother, Philip, was feeble minded and cared for by Roxana.)

One by one he defeated them. The last was Achilles who was based in the homeland of Macedonia. Alexander by then had lost Bactria, Thrace, and Greece from the Empire to locals rebelling. By this time Carthage and Rome were at war with each other, leaving Alexander a free hand to restore the most important province of Egypt. As he secured Egypt, the Parthians revolted. So next was a long war for Iran. By the year 190 BCE a stalemate led to central and eastern Iran now in the new Parthian Empire and only western Iran in the Empire of Alexander. He died a few years later and his Eldest Son, Phillip took the throne.


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[5] A proven warrior and commander in the campaigns against Egypt and Parthia, Phillip was seen at the time as a man of great potential, someone Truly worthy of the legacy of Alexander the great. Indeed, his greatest achievements would come in 178 when he set out to take on the weakened Rome and Carthage. For six years (178-172) his empire would battle the Romans, but he would never land on the Italian peninsula. After conquering the Adriatic coast up to modern day Tyrol he would sign peace with the Roman republic. His war against Carthage however would fare much better. From 177 to 171 Hellenic forces would rampage across North Africa, but instead of directly conquering the Carthaginians Phillip would create a puppet council to rule over these new far flung possessions.

With the west secured Phillip turned to Persia, the land that remained unconquered. From 169 to 167 Phillip led forces into the Parthian empire, but during one of his later campaigns he was struck with a strange illness that nearly took his life. Fearing for him his generals took him back to Babylon. But for the Hellenic kingdoms things were about to change drastically. When Phillip recovered he was not the same man, he was paranoid, spiteful, and had become possessed of odd hobbies and beliefs. As the years wore on he increasingly neglected the empire, not helped by his execution of several generals and governors for 'treason'. As he lay on his death bed many of his own achievements would lay in ruin. The Adriatic was in revolt, Carthage had been free for several years, Egypt stood defiant in her rebellion and the Parthian empire encroached in the east. But Phillips last strike would debilitate the empire, fearing his sons would remove him him from the throne he ordered them slain, and not three days later did the Mad King Phillip die, leaving the empire devoid of a clear ruler for the second time in half a century.


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[6] Phillip III, the one with the unusual spelling for his name in the Greek language, killed all his heirs before he died. But like everyone before him, his father and his uncles, he ignored his 'feeble' uncle Philip, still living in the Imperial Palace in Babylon long after his mother, Roxana, had passed. He was now 77 and considered odd, stupid, and barely able to care for himself. The imperial guard were in turmoil after the death of the Mad King and afraid that they might be set upon by the people taking revenge on them for the terror done by the king they had protected. In roaming the palace they came upon Uncle Philip in his bed chamber, his head buried in scrolls that were all upon his bed, totally oblivious to the chaos sweeping the palace. Realizing he was a descendant of Alexander the Great and the older brother of Alexander V, they too him to the throne room, wrapped him in the royal purple robes, crowned him with the golden crown of laurels, and proclaimed him the Great God King, Philip IV.

The head of the guard, Ajax, expected he'd be his puppet as he was feeble minded. It turned out that Philip was anything but feeble minded. He just had been cursed from childhood with a terrible stutter and had withdrawn from trying to express himself. When nervous he basically shut down and just stuttered. When his father had died and all his brothers had gone to war with Alexander V, Philip had decided at the age of 19, (Alexander V was 17,) he was more likely to survive if he never challenge the perception of him all had. Some years into his brother's reign he'd lost the stutter and was more secure in expressing himself to those he trusted, which included the King and their mother. Alexander knew his brother was not feeble but actually very intelligent, in fact what later would be called a genius savant, as did his mother. They kept secret this fact, but Philip was a secret adviser to his brother.

When his nephew took the throne, he was 44 and no one now knew the truth about him except his aged mother, who died shortly thereafter. Philip knew in his gut that he shouldn't trust his nephew Phillip, so he played the feeble fool to him. Most left him alone in his chambers where he devoted himself to studying history.

But as the new God King he was now confidant to find allies he could trust and maneuver them into places of power until he was able to have Ajax arrested and tried for the crimes he'd done for Phillip the Mad. Now Philip was able to secure his Empire and rule it.

Unfortunately this took some time. During these early years the Parthians moved west and north to the caucuses, the Romans conquered the east shore of the Adriatic and Carthage, and made 'alliances' with the Greek city states. A noble family descended from some of Alexander's companions took Macedonia and western Asia Minor out of the Empire and then quickly fell apart into several smaller states. Egypt secured itself as a separate state and the southern part of the Arabian peninsula broke away too.

One thing that Philip IV did was realize that with Parthia having moved into western Iran that Babylon was too close to the border to be a central capital and relocated the capital to Damascus.

Even though he was 77 on taking the throne and had never had a romantic relationship or even just a sexual one, he married the much younger Helen, his nephew's daughter, who gave him five children in the next seven years, three of them sons.

Philip turned out to be a robust man and lived until he was 100 years old. The two major issues he had to deal with during that time was a problem with the Jews in Judaea who rebelled and the other was who would be the major influence in the Greek and Asia Minor states, the Hellenistic Empire or Rome. Philip's final solution in Judaea was to set up an autonomous 'kingdom' there that swore fealty to the Empire. Philip himself went to Jerusalem and prayed in the outer courtyard to the God of the Jews. This pacified the Jews. Unfortunately things didn't go so well with Rome and the states of Greece and Asia Minor. By his death it was clear that Rome was the dominant power in those areas, having won a war with the Hellenistic Empire in 146 in Pergamun. Rome was at the northern border of the Empire, even though officially those states were only 'allies' of Rome. But Roman troops were there.

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[7]
Philip V was Philip IV adopted son - a handsome and ruthless military strategist, from a minor family, adopted when it became clear that Philip IV would not provide further legitimate issue (After the handful he did produce in his seventies died in infancy or as young adults with no issue of their own) and none of the other possible Nicator heirs were really dream candidates. There were rumours across his life that Philip V was actually Philip the Feebles illegitimate son from a liaison with a palace slave from modern day Spain - and later historical and DNA evidence suggests that to be the truth (he is the earliest Hellenistic King with a known tomb). The most scandalous thing about Philip V was that he married a Roman woman - Furia - (daughter of a Roman consul, Lucius Furius Philus) in an attempt by Philip the Feeble to mollify the aggression of the Romans.

It seemed to work for the most part as the two settled into what might be later termed a cold war - armies faced each other across the border but no actual conflict erupted to, despite occasional brief escalation such as the Incident of the Capable Archer where Roman troops were seen to be practising formations and the Hellenistic leaders on the border almost interpreted it as the build up to an invasion. It was only the intervention of a capable archer and lookout that prevented all out bloodshed and invasion.

After twenty five years on the throne, he was found dead in a seemingly locked room and his death has become one of the greatest unanswered murder mysteries of the world. He was replaced by Royal-General Perdiccas Nicator, a younger cousin of Philip IV the Feeble and a younger uncle of Phillip III.
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[8] During the culling of Philip III, Perdiccas moved himself north and based himself in Sintike, commanding a small force to defend the city from the armies of Medike which was held by the powerful Thracian tribe of Medi.

He married a young noble woman from the Getae Kingdom, producing a stable family.

His line to the throne went as this, he was the son of a "Seleucus the posthumous", a small time politician by trade, the youngest of all the children, the brother of Alexander V and Philip "the Feeble" IV, making Perdiccas, nephew of these two Kings and unknowingly "cousin" of Philip "the Spaniard" V.

When news of his second uncle, became King Philip "the Feeble" IV, reached Perdiccas, he sent word of his success in the north, and was rewarded with a higher wage and title of Royal-Commander.

He was called to the capital by his adopted-cousin Philip V, as an adviser regarding defending from potential Roman invasion, however within a months of Perdiccas, presence.

Perdiccas, himself would only live to see seven years in office, before dying of what many historians believe was the first documented heart attack.

His succession by ________, and supported by the majority.
 
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