List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II

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Happiness

lost_in_night_dreams said:
POD: Alfonso, Prince of Asturias lives.

Alfonso XII, King of Castile (1453 - 1502) married Juana, Queen of Castile (1462 - 1530) in 1474.
  1. Isabel (b. 1480) married Juan III, King of Aragon (b. 1475)
  2. Juan, Prince of Asturias (1481 - 1494) betrohed to Maria of Aragon (b. 1482)
  3. Alfonso XIII, King of Castile (b. 1483) married Maria of Aragon (b. 1482)
  4. Juana (1484 - 1501) betrohed to Arthur, Prince of Wales (1486 - 1502)
  5. Enrique (b. 1487) married ?
  6. Leanor (1488 - 1490)
  7. Catalina (b. 1492) married Henry VIII, King of England (b. 1491)
  8. Fernando (1494 - 1500)
  9. Maria (1495 - 1500)
  10. Beatriz (b. 1498) married Afonso VI, King of Portugal (b. 1497) *
* Son of Manuel of Portugal and his wife Juana of Aragon.
Isabel of Castile (1451 - 1504) married Fernando II, King of Aragon (1452 - 1516) in 1469.
  1. Isabel (b. 1470) married Afonso, Prince of Portugal (1475 - 1491)
  2. Juan III, King of Aragon (b. 1475) married Isabel of Castile (b. 1480)
  3. Fernando (1478 - 1497)
  4. Juana (b. 1479) married Manuel I, King of Portugal (b. 1469)
  5. Maria (b. 1482) married Alfonso XIII, King of Castile (b. 1483)
  6. Alfonso VI, King of Sicily and Naples (b. 1482) married a) Joanna III, Queen of Naples (1478 - 1517) b) Bona Sforza (b. 1494)
  7. Catalina (b. 1485) married Philibert II, Duke of Savoy (b. 1480)
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Love it. I think that Isabel of Castile can live a little longer here. She has two alive sons and her first daughter didn't die.
 

Jan Olbracht

Eleanor of Portugal (1434-1483) m. Frederick III (1415-1493) Holy Roman Emperor

1) Christopher (1455-1456)

2) Maximilian (1459-1479) m. Mary of Burgundy (1457-1504)

1) Philip IV (1478-1506) Duke of Burgundy, m. Anne of England (1475-1511) [1]​

3) Helene (1460-1462)

4) Kunigunde (1465-1520) m. Casimir IV [2] (1458-1504) King of Poland

1) Casimir V (1487-1527) King of Poland, m. Ursula of Brandenburg (1488-1541)​
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2) Vladislaus (1490)​
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3) Hedwig (1492-1496)​
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4) Vladislaus 1494-1500)​
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5) Elizabeth (1497)​

5) John (1466-1526) Holy Roman Emperor 1493, m. a) Elizabeth of Poland (1472-1492) [3], b) Bianca Maria Sforza (1472-1511), c) Catherine of Mecklenburg (1487-1561)

1a) Eleanor (1490-1542) m. Philibert II (1480-1523) Duke of Savoy​
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2a) Elizabeth (1492-1497)​
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3b) Frederick IV (1496-1533) Holy Roman Emperor 1526, m. Anna of Bohemia and Hungary (1503-1556)​
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4b) Ernest (1499)​
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5b) Kunigunde (1504-1539) m. Louis II (1505-1550) King of Bohemia and Hungary​
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6b) Rudolf II (1506-1567) Holy Roman Emperor 1533, m. Anna of Cleves (1515-1557)​
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7b) Catherine (1509-1570) m. Casimir VI (1509-1563) King of Poland [4]​
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8c) Albert (1515-1536) Archduke of Styria​

6) Catherine (1469-1533) m. Albert IV (1447-1508) Duke of Bavaria

1) Sidonie (1489-1554) m. Louis V (1478-1544) Elector Palatine​
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2) Sibylle (1491-1546) m. Ulrich (1487-1550) Duke of Würtemberg​
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3) Susanna (1494-1506)​
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4) William IV (1496-1529) Duke of Bavaria, m. Marie of Baden-Sponheim (1507-1580)​
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5) Louis X (1499-1556) Duke of Bavaria, m. Sophia of Poland (1513-1574) [4]​
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6) Sabina (1501-1564) m. Casimir (1483-1538) Margrave of Brandenburg-Kulmbach​
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7) Scholastica (1504-1551) m. Otto Henry (1502-1559) Count of Palatine-Neuburg​

7) Leopold (1472-1474)

8) Margaret (1474-1527) m. Frederick III (1463-1525) Elector of Saxony

1) Margaret (1495-1570) m. Henry V (1479-1552) Duke of Mecklenburg​
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2) Elizabeth (1497-1540) m. Henry V (1489-1568) Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel​
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3) Ernest (1500-1503)​
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4) Frederick (1501)​
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5) Christina (1503-1508)​
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6) Catherine (1505-1559) m. Joachim II (1505-1573) Elector of Brandenburg​
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[1] House of York remains on the throne due to butterflies

[2] OTL Saint Casimir. He is IV, not V, because his father (known as IV IOTL), counted himself as III during his reign)

[3] Daughter of Casimir Jagiellon and Elizabeth Habsburg, IOTL died young.

[4] Children of Casimir V of Poland and Ursula of Brandenburg
 

Dragonboy

lost_in_night_dreams said:
POD: Alfonso, Prince of Asturias lives.

Alfonso XII, King of Castile (1453 - 1502) married Juana, Queen of Castile (1462 - 1530) in 1474.
  1. Isabel (b. 1480) married Juan III, King of Aragon (b. 1475)
  2. Juan, Prince of Asturias (1481 - 1494) betrohed to Maria of Aragon (b. 1482)
  3. Alfonso XIII, King of Castile (b. 1483) married Maria of Aragon (b. 1482)
  4. Juana (1484 - 1501) betrohed to Arthur, Prince of Wales (1486 - 1502)
  5. Enrique (b. 1487) married ?
  6. Leanor (1488 - 1490)
  7. Catalina (b. 1492) married Henry VIII, King of England (b. 1491)
  8. Fernando (1494 - 1500)
  9. Maria (1495 - 1500)
  10. Beatriz (b. 1498) married Afonso VI, King of Portugal (b. 1497) *
* Son of Manuel of Portugal and his wife Juana of Aragon.
Isabel of Castile (1451 - 1504) married Fernando II, King of Aragon (1452 - 1516) in 1469.
  1. Isabel (b. 1470) married Afonso, Prince of Portugal (1475 - 1491)
  2. Juan III, King of Aragon (b. 1475) married Isabel of Castile (b. 1480)
  3. Fernando (1478 - 1497)
  4. Juana (b. 1479) married Manuel I, King of Portugal (b. 1469)
  5. Maria (b. 1482) married Alfonso XIII, King of Castile (b. 1483)
  6. Alfonso VI, King of Sicily and Naples (b. 1482) married a) Joanna III, Queen of Naples (1478 - 1517) b) Bona Sforza (b. 1494)
  7. Catalina (b. 1485) married Philibert II, Duke of Savoy (b. 1480)
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Amazing work! Although Alfonso would be III of Naples and sicily.

Suggestion: All the children of Isabella and Ferndinand survive
 
The_Most_Happy

The_Most_Happy

Kellan Sullivan said:
A scenario that a friend and I were discussing (might build on it some more later):

George IV, King of Great Britain, Hannover & Ireland [1820-1830] (1762-1830) 1m: 1785 [ann.] Maria Anna FitzHerbert (1756-1837); 2m: 1795 Karoline of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel (1768-1821); 3m: 1823 [1] Feodora of Leiningen (b.1807)

[2m.] Charlotte (1796-1817) m: 1816 Leopold of Saxe-Coburg and Saalfeld [2] (1790-1865)​
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Miscarriage (1816)​
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Stillborn Son (1817)​
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[3m.] George V, King of Great Britain, Hannover & Ireland [from 1830] (b.1825) m: 1843 Marie of Nassau (b.1825)​
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[3m.] Elizabeth (b.1828) m: 1850 Friedrich Wilhelm, Elector of Hesse-Kassel [3] (b.1820)​
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[3m.] Charles, Duke of York & Albany [4] (b.1830) m: 1847 Alexandrine of Saxe-Altenburg (b.1830)​
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I am so obsessed with this idea!
 

Andrewtsal

isabella said:
This Claude of Brittany would be?

And the second son of Louis XII would not get the Orleans title unless both the Orleans and the Angouleme male lines are already extinct
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This Claude of Brittany is an alt daughter Anne of Brittany and husband I’ve been trying to decide on and any suggestions would be greatly appreciate.

Gotcha! I was under the understanding that the duchy would return to the royal domain after death of Otl Louis XII, but thanks for the correction. Any suggestions for an alternate title for him instead?
 

isabella

Andrewtsal said:
This Claude of Brittany is an alt daughter Anne of Brittany and husband I’ve been trying to decide on and any suggestions would be greatly appreciate.
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Good luck with that search. Sad to see who Anne got more bad luck than OTL (were she was already extremely unlucky)
Andrewtsal said:
Gotcha! I was under the understanding that the duchy would return to the royal domain after death of Otl Louis XII, but thanks for the correction. Any suggestions for an alternate title for him instead?
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Maybe Anjou? Or Valois? OTL Orleans was reunited to the Crown when Louis XII became King, but if he never became King and died without sons Orleans would pass to Charles d’Alençon or his male line descendants, returning to the Crown only after the extinction of this other line
 
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Kellan Sullivan

isabella said:
died without sons Orleans would pass to Charles d’Alençon or his male line descendants, returning to the Crown only after the extinction of this other line
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If both Louis XII and Charles, Comte d'Angoulême die without sons, then the Orléans appanage itself returns to the crown. If there are daughters (say Marguerite d'Angoulême) then some subsidiary lordships (Counties of Vertus/Asti, for instance) could be inherited via the female line. But as a whole, the Orléans lands return to the royal demesne.


isabella said:
ad to see who Anne got more bad luck than OTL (were she was already extremely unlucky)
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Not necessarily. Claude could be her GRANDDAUGHTER. If she married in 1490-1492, she could have had a surviving son. Said surviving son in turn marries and Claude is the first child.
 

isabella

Kellan Sullivan said:
If both Louis XII and Charles, Comte d'Angoulême die without sons, then the Orléans appanage itself returns to the crown. If there are daughters (say Marguerite d'Angoulême) then some subsidiary lordships (Counties of Vertus/Asti, for instance) could be inherited via the female line. But as a whole, the Orléans lands return to the royal demesne.
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Right. I do not know why I wrote Alencon instead of Angouleme (but in the earlier post I wrote the right title)
Kellan Sullivan said:
Not necessarily. Claude could be her GRANDDAUGHTER. If she married in 1490-1492, she could have had a surviving son. Said surviving son in turn marries and Claude is the first child.
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I hoped that, but still the fact who Claude is Duchess mean who Anne has no male descendants still alive
 

Nova_Philomena

Prompt: James V born female.

Margaret I of Scotland (b. 1512 d. 1545) [1] m. Charles of France, Duke of Berry (b. 1510 d. 1557) [2]
  1. James V of Scotland (b. 1530 d. 1571) m. Marie of France (b. 1531 d. 1578) [3]
  2. Princess Margaret of Scotland (b. 1531 d. 1581) [4]
  3. Charles Stewart, Duke of Rothesay [5] (b. 1532 d. 1563) m. Lady Anne Hamilton (b. 1535 d. 1574)
  4. Stillborn Son (b. 1535 d. 1535)
[1] All of her mother's pregnancies (Except for her's) still die, paving away Margaret being Scotland's first undisputed Queen Regnant (We all know the Maid doesn't count), and she isn't actually named for Margaret Tudor, but instead Margaret of Denmark.
[2] Genderbent Renee of France, Claude is also Genderbent (named Louis) and marries Eleanor of Austria. I am debating whether it should just be the Scottish House of Valois or Valois-Stewart.
[3] Daughter of Louis XIII of France and Eleanor of Austria.
[4] Initially betrothed to Manuel, Prince of Portugal, son of John III of Portugal and Catherine of Austria, however, Manuel dies and Margaret instead enters a convent.
[5] Initially entertained as a groom for Lady Elizabeth Tudor during her youth, however the Scots rejected it, and after a string of betrothals, he ended up with Lady Anne Hamilton, the daughter of James Hamilton and Margaret Douglas.
 
Salma Amer

Salma Amer

Nova_Philomena said:
Prompt: James V born female.

Margaret I of Scotland (b. 1512 d. 1545) [1] m. Charles of France, Duke of Berry (b. 1510 d. 1557) [2]
  1. James V of Scotland (b. 1530 d. 1571) m. Marie of France (b. 1531 d. 1578) [3]
  2. Princess Margaret of Scotland (b. 1531 d. 1581) [4]
  3. Charles Stewart, Duke of Rothesay [5] (b. 1532 d. 1563) m. Lady Anne Hamilton (b. 1535 d. 1574)
  4. Stillborn Son (b. 1535 d. 1535)
[1] All of her mother's pregnancies (Except for her's) still die, paving away Margaret being Scotland's first undisputed Queen Regnant (We all know the Maid doesn't count), and she isn't actually named for Margaret Tudor, but instead Margaret of Denmark.
[2] Genderbent Renee of France, Claude is also Genderbent (named Louis) and marries Eleanor of Austria. I am debating whether it should just be the Scottish House of Valois or Valois-Stewart.
[3] Daughter of Louis XIII of France and Eleanor of Austria.
[4] Initially betrothed to Manuel, Prince of Portugal, son of John III of Portugal and Catherine of Austria, however, Manuel dies and Margaret instead enters a convent.
[5] Initially entertained as a groom for Lady Elizabeth Tudor during her youth, however the Scots rejected it, and after a string of betrothals, he ended up with Lady Anne Hamilton, the daughter of James Hamilton and Margaret Douglas.
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Duke of Albany will inherit , and I'm sure he will marry after he becomes king, or at least have a son with his first wife.
 
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