List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II

[FalconHonour]

Since we're only five pages from the end of the first thread, I thought I'd take the initiative to post another thread where people can post their thoughts/ideas on Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage....

Feel free to finish up the first thread first, though!

 

[FalconHonour]

Am copying @Jonathan 's original post from the start of the first thread to give some guidance for anyone who might need it


List can be as long or short as you like, with as many or as least foot note information that you would like to give. Also similar to the "LaPMoP" the list does not have to be based solely on an alternative event, it could be an analogy or could be slightly/completely ASB.

They can be formatted into a bullet point list or into a family tree. I hope that these list will help the writers get ideas out that they haven't formed full time lines with and encourage others to look into expanding their knowledge on aristocratic lineage and candidate branches, as well as just the main stream royal families

I know that it the last site, we had a "Monarch List" thread that turned into a game between people, who ended up posting make either a national hero or evil dictatorial villain, with numerous different people attributing to a single list.

I have post this in "Before 1900" due to this is the period in which monarch and aristocratic titles were created, however similar to the "LaPMoP" you can go after this time, for example:
In 1955, Winston Churchill accepts the offer of a Dukedom
List of Dukes of London
1955-1965: Winston Churchill, 1st Duke of London
1965-1968: Randolph Churchill, 2nd Duke of London
1968-2010: Winston Churchill, 3rd Duke of London
2010- : Randolph Churchill, 4th Duke of London

So without any more gassing, please begin posting.

 

[eliamartin65]

The Issue of Emperor Maximilian I and Empress Emma of Burgundy (from my Emma, Holy Roman Empress universe. Dedicated to @BlueFlowwer, who's always willing to listen to me gush about Emma and Maximilian in PMs)
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Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1459) m. 1477 Emma of Burgundy, and had issue:

1. Archduke Maximilian (b. 1478)
2. Archduchess Isabella (b. 1479)
3. Archduchess Margaret (b. 1480)
4. Archduke Franz (Francis) (b. 1481)
5. Miscarriage (1482)
6. Archduke Philip (b. 1483)
7. Archduchess Maria (b. 1484)

 

[EdwardRex]

The Issue of Emperor Maximilian I and Empress Emma of Burgundy (from my Emma, Holy Roman Empress universe. Dedicated to @BlueFlowwer, who's always willing to listen to me gush about Emma and Maximilian in PMs)
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Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1459) m. 1477 Emma of Burgundy, and had issue:

1. Archduke Maximilian (b. 1478)
2. Archduchess Isabella (b. 1479)
3. Archduchess Margaret (b. 1480)
4. Archduke Franz (Francis) (b. 1481)
5. Miscarriage (1482)
6. Archduke Philip (b. 1483)
7. Archduchess Maria (b. 1484)

From the same timeline, the issue and marriages of Richard of York and Cecily Neville,:

Richard III, King of England (1411-1473) m. Cecily Neville (1415-1495)
1. Anne, Princess of England (1439-) m. Francis II, Duke of Brittany (1433-)
2. Henry of York (1441-1441)
3. Edward IV, King of England (1442-) m. Margaret, Countess of Lancaster (1453-)
4. Edmund, Duke of Somerset (1443-) m. Margaret Beaufort (1443-)
5. Elizabeth, Princess of England (1444-) m. Charles VII, King of France (1403-)
6. Margaret, Princess of England (1446-) m. Charles, Duke of Burgundy (1433-)
7. William of York (1447-1447)
8. John of York (1448-1448)
9. George, Duke of Clarence (1449-) m. Mary, Princess of Scotland (1453-)
10. Thomas of York (1450-1451)
11. Richard, Archbishop of Canterbury (1452-)
12. Cecily, Princess of England (1455-) m. James III, King of Scotland (1452-)
13. Joan, Abbess of Dartford (1457-)

 

[eliamartin65]

From the same timeline, the issue and marriages of Richard of York and Cecily Neville,:

Richard III, King of England (1411-1473) m. Cecily Neville (1415-1495)
1. Anne, Princess of England (1439-) m. Francis II, Duke of Brittany (1433-)
2. Henry of York (1441-1441)
3. Edward IV, King of England (1442-) m. Margaret, Countess of Lancaster (1453-)
4. Edmund, Duke of Somerset (1443-) m. Margaret Beaufort (1443-)
5. Elizabeth, Princess of England (1444-) m. Charles VII, King of France (1403-)
6. Margaret, Princess of England (1446-) m. Charles, Duke of Burgundy (1433-)
7. William of York (1447-1447)
8. John of York (1448-1448)
9. George, Duke of Clarence (1449-) m. Mary, Princess of Scotland (1453-)
10. Thomas of York (1450-1451)
11. Richard, Archbishop of Canterbury (1452-)
12. Cecily, Princess of England (1455-) m. James III, King of Scotland (1452-)
13. Joan, Abbess of Dartford (1457-)

Oh I LOVE THIS!

 

[EdwardRex]

Oh I LOVE THIS!

Thanks!

 

[Mildtryth]

Visconti

Duke Gian Galeazzo I of Milan (1351-1405) >< a. Isabelle of Valois (1348-1372) b. Caterina Visconti (1361-1427) c. Agnese Mantegazza (c. 1365-?)

A1a. Gian Galeazzo Visconti (1366-1388)​

A2a. Duke Azzone I of Milan (1368-1423) >< Beatrice Lascaris di Tenda (1372-1436)​

B1. Duke Galeazzo I of Milan (1389-1457) >< Mahaut of Provence (1395-1441)​

C1. Mafalda Visconti (1412-1460)​

C2. Duke Gian Galeazzo II of Milan (1417-1469) >< Emilia de' Medici (1419-1473)​

D1. Duke Galeazzo II of Milan (1438-1476) >< a. Marie of Savoy (1437-1460) b. Bona of Savoy (1449-1503)​

E1. Grand Duke Gian Galeazzo III of Milan (1469-1522)​

E2. Lord Stefano Maria of Tortona (1470-1503) >< Dauphine Béatrice III of Provence (1470-1524)​

E3. Bianca Visconti (1472-1510) >< Emperor Maximilian of Germany (1459-1519)​

E4. Bishop Ottaviano of Arezzo (1475-1548)​

E5. Anna Visconti (1476-1497) >< Duke Alfonso I of Ferrara (1476-1534)​

D2. Lord Giovanni of Bologna (1441-1476)​

D3. Maria Visconti (1443-1508) >< King Aimery VI of Sicily (1441-1488)​

D4. Duke Azzone II of Milan (1444-1509)​

D5. Guido Visconti (1449-1451)​

C3. Beatrice Visconti (1421-1433)​

C4. Pietro Visconti (1423-1433)​

C5. Agnese Visconti (1428-1459)​

B2. Lord Gian Antonio of Cremona (1391-1434) >< Susanna Gonzaga (1397-1426)​

C1. Francesco Visconti (1422-1438)​

B3. Gabriele Visconti (1392-1414)​

B4. Beatrice Visconti (1395-1406)​

B5. Isabella Visconti (1397-1459)​

B6. Lord Stefano of Pisa (1400-1444) >< Bianca d'Appiano (1407-1436)​

C1. Bianca Maria Visconti (1425-1468) >< Francesco Attenduolo Sforza (1401-1466)​

B7. Lord Pietro of Bologna (1402-1442)​

B8. Agnese Visconti (1403-1441) >< Duke Ulrich II of Austria (1397-1473)​

B9. Matteo Visconti (1407-1419)​

A3a. Valentina Visconti (1371-1408) >< Duke Louis I of Orléans (1372-1407)​

A4a. Carlo Visconti (1372-1374)​

A5c. Lord Gabriele Maria of Pisa (1385-1419)​

A6b. Gian Maria Visconti (1389-1412) >< Antonia Malatesta (1395-1421)​

A7b. Filippo Maria Visconti (1392-1422)​

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Grand Duke Gian Galeazzo III of Milan (1469-1522) >< Elisabeth of Hungary (1475-1515)

A1. Bona Visconti (1494-1557) >< King Sigismund I of Poland (1467-1548)​

A2. Francesco Visconti (1497-1518)​

A3. Isabella Visconti (1498-1539) >< Count Henri III of Geneva (1503-1554)​

A4. Grand Duke Galeazzo III of Milan (1500-1558) >< Catherine of Swabia (1507-1578)​

B1. Caterina Visconti (1524-1583) >< Marquis Bonifacio IV of Montferrat (1512-1574)​

B2. Gian Galeazzo Visconti (1525-1529)​

B3. Agnese Visconti (1528-1543)​

B4. Grand Duke Filippo Maria of Milan (1529-1590) >< Joana of Spain (1532-1570)​

C1. Grand Duke Stefano I of Milan (1551-1618) >< Elisabeth of the Palatinate (1553-1588)​

C2. Alfonso Visconti (1553-1566)​

C3. Galeazzo Visconti (1555)​

C4. Giovanna Visconti (1556-1619) >< Count Roger-Bernard I of Albi (1559-1612)​

C5. Count Giovanni Maria of Perugia (1559-1608) >< Eleonora Boncompagni (1562-1600)​

B5. Giovanni Visconti (1531-1553)​

B6. Maria Visconti (1533-1541)​

B7. Eufemia Visconti (1535-1599)​

B8. Lord Teobaldo of Vicenza (1537-1584)​

B9. Isabella Visconti (1542-1593) >< King Duarte II of Portugal (1541-1595)​

 

[AztecXVII]

The dukes of Braganza starting from Juan I, 3rd son of Isabel II and Manuel I. His decedents founded the house of Braganza, which ruled over Spain and Naples until 1808.

Manuel I of Portugal m. Isabel I & II of Castile, Aragon, Sicily and Naples
a. Miguel I of Portugal & Spain m. Marie of Brittiny [1]
b. Isabel of Portugal m. Francis I of France
c. Ferdinand III of Sicily & Naples m. Ippolita Maria Sforza
d. Alfonso, Cardinal of Lisbon
e. Juan, duke of Beja & Viseu m. Isabel of Braganza
f. Maria Victoria m. Karl V, HRE

family of Juan, duke of Beja, Viseu & Braganza who also held the title of Governer of Portugal
Juan I of Beja m. Isabel of Braganza
a. Maria, died at age 17
b. Sebastian I, duke of Beja, Viseu & Braganza, died at age 23 never married
c. Juan II, duke of Beja, Viseu & Braganza m. Eleanor of Toledo
i. Juan III m. Isabella de Medici [2]
1. Sebastian II, duke of Beja
2. Juan IV, duke of Viseu
3. Antonio I, duke of Braganza (illegitimate son of Juan III) m. Maria de Alba

Antonio I, duke of Braganza m. Maria de Alba
1. Isabel de Braganza
2. Maria de Braganza
3. Juana de Braganza
4. Teresa de Braganza
5. Antonio II, duke of Braganza m. Isabel III of Spain, Portugal and Naples
House of Braganza: (the title of the Governer of Portugal is abolished)
a. Pelayo V of Spain and Portugal m. Catherine of England (Iberian Branch of the house of Braganza)
i. Ferdinand VI of Spain and Portugal m. Maria Cristina of Austria
ii. Manuel III of Spain and Portugal m. Maria Cristina of Austria
(a) Ferdinand VII
iii. Miguel III of Spain (Portugal is a part of Spain) m. Maria of Orleans
(a) Manuel IV of Spain m. Maria Therasa of Austria
a. Manuel V
b. Ferdinand VII m. Henrietta of Bavaria
i. Juan III of Spain
ii. Ferdinand VIII of Spain
iii. Manuel VI of Spain
iv. Maria Isabel I of Spain m. Charles IX of Savoy
House of Savoy


b. Alfonso VI of Naples m. Maria of Austria (Italian Branch of the house of Braganza)
1. Ferdinand V of Naples m. Isabel of Spain
i. Frederick V of Naples m. Joanna of France (last king before French conquest by Nepoleon)
(a) Prince Ferdinand of Naples m. Mary of England
a. Ferdinand VI of the Two Sicilies (died childless)

1. OTL daughter of Charles VIII and Anne of Brittany, succeeded her mother as the duchess
2. Juan III distributes his duchies between his living 3 sons after his oldest son and heir Miguel, dies

 

[Mildtryth]

Valois

Count Charles of Valois (1270-1325) >< a. Duchess Margaret of Aquitaine (1272-1299) b. Latin Empress Catherine I of Courtenay (1274-1307) c. Mahaut of Saint-Pol (1293-1358)

A1a. Isabelle of Valois (1292-1309) >< Duke Jean III of Britanny (1286-1341)​

A2a. King Philippe VI of France (1293-1350) >< a. Jeanne of Burgundy (1293-1349) b. Blanche of Navarra (1331-1398)​

B1a. King Jean II of France (1319-1364) >< a. Bonne of Luxembourg (1315-1349) b. Countess Jeanne I of Auvergne (1326-1360)​

C1a. King Charles V of France (1338-1380)​

C2a. Catherine of France (1338)​

C3a. Duke Louis I of Boulogne (1339-1378) >< Yolande of Bar (1342-1368)​

D1. Yolande of Boulogne (1361)​

D2. Bonne of Boulogne (1363-1425)​

D3. Duke Henri I of Boulogne (1368-1401) >< Philippa of Salm (1374-1420)​

E1. Duke Louis II of Boulogne (1391-1411)​

E2. Jean of Boulogne (1393-1405)​

E3. Philippa of Boulogne (1395-1439)​

E4. Duke Henri II of Boulogne (1398-1463) > Duchess Isabelle of Lorraine (1400-1453)​

.....F1. Duke Jean II of Lorraine (1426-1470) >< Marie of Bourbon (1428-1448)​

.........G1. Isabelle of Lorraine (1445)​

.........G2. Duke Jean III of Lorraine (1445-1471)​

.........G3. Henri of Lorraine (1446)​

.........G4. Marie of Lorraine (1447)​

.........G5. Duke Nicholas of Lorraine (1448-1473)​

.....F2. Louis of Lorraine (1427-1443)​

.....F3. Nicholas of Lorraine (1428-1430)​

.....F4. Duchess Yolande of Bar (1428-1483) >< Count Frédéric II of Vaudémont (1428-1470)​

.........G. Dukes of Bar (House of Lorraine-Bar)​

.....F5. Duchess Margaret of Lorraine (1430-1482) >< King Charles V of Burgundy (1433-1486)​

.....F6. Charles of Lorraine (1431-1432)​

.....F7. Duke Henri III of Boulogne (1436-1471) >< Jeanne de Laval (1433-1498)​

.....F8. Louise of Lorraine (1436-1438)​

.....F9. Anne of Lorraine (1437-1450)​

C4a. Duke Jean of Berry (1340-1416) >< a. Jeanne of Armagnac (1346-1387) b. Countess Jeanne II of Auvergne (1378-1424)​

D1a. Bonne of Berry (1367-1435) >< a. Count Amédée VII of Savoy (1360-1391) b. Count Bernard VII of Armagnac (1360-1418)​

D2a. Charles of Berry (1371-1383)​

D3a. Jeanne of Berry (1373–1375)​

D4a. Beatrice of Berry (1374)​

D5a. Marie of Berry (1375-1434) >< a. Louis de Châtillon (1375-1391) b. Count Philippe of Eu (1358-1397) c. Duke Jean of Bourbon (1381-1434)​

D6a. Jean of Berry (1376-1397) >< Anne of Vendôme (1380-1408)​

D7a. Louis of Berry (1383)​

C5a. Duke Philippe of Touraine (1342-1379) >< Viscountess Eleanor of Millau (1346-1405)​

C6a. Jeanne of France (1343-1373) >< King Guillén II of Navarra (1332-1387​

C7a. Marie of France (1344-1404) >< Duke Robert of Bar (1344-1411)​

C8a. Agnes of France (1345-1350)​

C9a. Margaret of France (1347-1352)​

C10a. Countess Isabella of Vertus (1348-1372) >< Duke Gian Galeazzo I of Milan (1351-1405)​

B2a. Marie of Valois (1326-1333)​

B3a. Louis of France (1329)​

B4a. Louis of France (1330)​

B5a. Duke Philippe of Orléans (1336-1375) >< Blanche of France (1328-1393)​

B6a. Jeanne of France (1337)​

B7b. Jeanne of France (1351-1371)​

A3a. Jeanne of Valois (1294-1352) >< Count William III of Holland (1286-1337)​

A4a. Margaret of Valois (1295-1342) >< Count Guy I of Blois (1288-1342)​

A5a. Count Charles II of Alençon (1297-1349) >< a. Jeanne of Joigny (1299-1336) b. Maria de La Cerda (1310-1379)​

B. House of Alençon​

A6a. Catherine of Valois (1299)​

A7b. Jean of Valois (1302-1308)​

A8b. Latin Empress Catherine II of Valois (1303-1346) >< Prince Philip I of Taranto (1278-1331)​

A9b. Jeanne of Valois (1304-1363) >< Count Robert of Beaumont-le-Roger (1287-1342)​

A10b. Abbess Isabelle of Fontevrault (1305-1346)​

A11c. Marie of Valois (1309-1332) >< Amaury of Narbonne (1298-1328)​

A12c. Isabelle of Valois (1313-1393) >< Duke Pierre I of Bourbon (1311-1356)​

A13c. Blanche of Valois (1317-1348) >< Emperor Karl IV of Germany (1318-1378)​

A14c. Count Louis of Chartres (1318-1328)​

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King Charles V of France (1338-1380) >< Jeanne of Bourbon (1338-1378)

A1. Jeanne of France (1357-1360)​

A2. Bonne of France (1358-1360)​

A3. Jeanne of France (1366)​

A4. King Charles VI of France (1368-1422) >< Isabella of Bavaria (1371-1435)​

B1. Charles of France (1386)​

B2. Jeanne of France (1388-1390)​

B3. Isabelle of France (1389-1409) >< Duke Charles of Orléans (1394-1465)​

B4. Jeanne of France (1391-1433) >< Duke Jean V of Brittany (1389-1442)​

B5. Charles of France (1392-1401)​

B6. Prioress Marie of Poissy (1393-1438)​

B7. Michelle of France (1395-1422) >< King Philippe II of Burgundy (1396-1467)​

B8. Louis of France (1397-1415) >< Margaret of Burgundy (1393-1442)​

B9. Jean of France (1398-1417)​

B10. Catherine of France (1401-1437) >< King Eystein IV of England (1386-1422)​

B11. King Charles VII of France (1403-1461) >< Maria of Sicily (1404-1463)​

C1. King Louis XI of France (1423-1483) >< a. Margaret of Scotland (1424-1445) b. Charlotte of Savoy (1441-1483)​

D1b. Louis of France (1458-1460)​

D2b. Joachim of France (1459)​

D3b. Louise of France (1460)​

D4b. Anne of France (1461-1522) >< Duke Pierre II of Bourbon (1438-1503)​

D5b. Jeanne of France (1464-1505) >< King Louis XII of France (1462-1515)​

D6b. Louis of France (1466)​

D7b. King Charles VIII of France (1470-1498) >< Anne of Brittany (1477-1514)​

E1. Charles Orland of France (1492-1495)​

E2. Charles of France (1496)​

D8b. François of France (1472-1473)​

C2. Jean of France (1426)​

C3. Radegonde of France (1427-1445)​

C4. Catherine of France (1428-1446) >< King Charles V of Burgundy (1433-1486)​

C5. Jacques of France (1432-1437)​

C6. Yolande of France (1434-1478) >< Duke Amédée IX of Savoy (1435-1472)​

C7. Jeanne of France (1435-1482) >< Duke Jean II of Bourbon (1426-1488)​

C8. Philippe of France (1436)​

C9. Margaret of France (1437-1438)​

C10. Jeanne of France (1438-1446)​

C11. Marie of France (1438-1439)​

C12. Isabelle of France (1441)​

C13. Magdalene of France (1443-1495) >< Roger-Bernard of Foix (1445-1470)​

C14. Duke Charles of Berry (1446-1472)​

B12. Philippe of France (1407)​

A5. Marie of France (1370-1377)​

A6. Duke Louis I of Orléans (1372-1407) >< Valentina Visconti (1371-1408)​

B1. Louis of Orléans (1391-1395)​

B2. Duke Charles of Orléans (1394-1465) >< a. Isabelle of France (1389-1409) b. Bonne of Armagnac (1399-1435) c. Maria of Gelre (1426-1487)​

C1a. Jeanne of Orléans (1409-1432) >< Duke Jean IV of Alençon (1409-1476)​

C2c. Marie of Orléans (1457-1493) >< Viscount Jean of Lautrec (1450-1500)​

C3c. King Louis XII of France (1462-1515) >< a. Jeanne of France (1464-1505) b. Anne of Brittany (1477-1514)​

D1b. Duchess Claude of Brittany (1499-1525) >< King François I of France (1494-1547)​

D2b. Renée of France (1510-1574) >< Duke Ercole II of Ferrara (1508-1559)​

C4c. Abbess Anne of Fontevrault (1464-1491)​

B3. Philippe of Orléans (1396-1420)​

B4. Count Jean of Angoulême (1399-1467) >< Margaret of Rohan (c. 1430-1496)​

C1. Louis of Angoulême (1455-1458)​

C2. Count Charles of Angoulême (1459-1496) >< Louise of Savoy (1476-1531)​

D1. Margaret of Angoulême (1492-1549) >< Duke Charles IV of Alençon (1489-1553)​

D2. King François I of France (1494-1547) >< a. Duchess Claude of Brittany (1499-1525) b. Eleanor of Austria (1498-1558)​

E1a. Louise of France (1515-1518)​

E2a. Charlotte of France (1516-1524)​

E3a. Duke François III of Brittany (1518-1536)​

E4a. King Henri II of France (1519-1559) >< Maria of Sicily (1517-1574)​

.....F1. King François II of France (1544-1560)​

.....F2. Elisabeth of France (1545-1568) >< King Philippe IV of Burgundy (1527-1598)​

.....F3. Claude of France (1547-1575) >< Duke Renaud III of Bar (1543-1608)​

.....F4. Louis of France (1549-1550)​

.....F5. Charles of France (1550)​

.....F6. King Henri III of France (1553-1565)​

.....F7. Margaret of France (1553-1615)​

.....F8. Duke Hércule of Anjou (1555-1563)​

.....F9. Victoire of France (1556)​

E5a. Madeleine of France (1520-1537) >< King Alexander VI of Scotland (1512-1544)​

E6a. Duke Charles of Orléans (1522-1545)​

E7a. Margaret of France (1523-1574) >< Duke Philibert III of Savoy (1528-1580)​

C3. Jeanne of Angoulême (1462-1520)​

B5. Margaret of Orléans (1406-1466) >< Count Richard of Étampes (1396-1468)​

A7. Isabelle of France (1373-1378)​

A8. Jean of France (1376)​

A9. Catherine of France (1378-1388)​

 

[TheBeanieBaron]

Valois

Count Charles of Valois (1270-1325) >< a. Duchess Margaret of Aquitaine (1272-1299) b. Latin Empress Catherine I of Courtenay (1274-1307) c. Mahaut of Saint-Pol (1293-1358)

A1a. Isabelle of Valois (1292-1309) >< Duke Jean III of Britanny (1286-1341)​

A2a. King Philippe VI of France (1293-1350) >< a. Jeanne of Burgundy (1293-1349) b. Blanche of Navarra (1331-1398)​

B1a. King Jean II of France (1319-1364) >< a. Bonne of Luxembourg (1315-1349) b. Countess Jeanne I of Auvergne (1326-1360)​

C1a. King Charles V of France (1338-1380)​

C2a. Catherine of France (1338)​

C3a. Duke Louis I of Boulogne (1339-1378) >< Yolande of Bar (1342-1368)​

D1. Yolande of Boulogne (1361)​

D2. Bonne of Boulogne (1363-1425)​

D3. Duke Henri I of Boulogne (1368-1401) >< Philippa of Salm (1374-1420)​

E1. Duke Louis II of Boulogne (1391-1411)​

E2. Jean of Boulogne (1393-1405)​

E3. Philippa of Boulogne (1395-1439)​

E4. Duke Henri II of Boulogne (1398-1463) > Duchess Isabelle of Lorraine (1400-1453)​

.....F1. Duke Jean II of Lorraine (1426-1470) >< Marie of Bourbon (1428-1448)​

.........G1. Isabelle of Lorraine (1445)​

.........G2. Duke Jean III of Lorraine (1445-1471)​

.........G3. Henri of Lorraine (1446)​

.........G4. Marie of Lorraine (1447)​

.........G5. Duke Nicholas of Lorraine (1448-1473)​

.....F2. Louis of Lorraine (1427-1443)​

.....F3. Nicholas of Lorraine (1428-1430)​

.....F4. Duchess Yolande of Bar (1428-1483) >< Count Frédéric II of Vaudémont (1428-1470)​

.........G. Dukes of Bar (House of Lorraine-Bar)​

.....F5. Duchess Margaret of Lorraine (1430-1482) >< King Charles V of Burgundy (1433-1486)​

.....F6. Charles of Lorraine (1431-1432)​

.....F7. Duke Henri III of Boulogne (1436-1471) >< Jeanne de Laval (1433-1498)​

.....F8. Louise of Lorraine (1436-1438)​

.....F9. Anne of Lorraine (1437-1450)​

C4a. Duke Jean of Berry (1340-1416) >< a. Jeanne of Armagnac (1346-1387) b. Countess Jeanne II of Auvergne (1378-1424)​

D1a. Bonne of Berry (1367-1435) >< a. Count Amédée VII of Savoy (1360-1391) b. Count Bernard VII of Armagnac (1360-1418)​

D2a. Charles of Berry (1371-1383)​

D3a. Jeanne of Berry (1373–1375)​

D4a. Beatrice of Berry (1374)​

D5a. Marie of Berry (1375-1434) >< a. Louis de Châtillon (1375-1391) b. Count Philippe of Eu (1358-1397) c. Duke Jean of Bourbon (1381-1434)​

D6a. Jean of Berry (1376-1397) >< Anne of La Marche (1380-1408)​

D7a. Louis of Berry (1383)​

C5a. Duke Philippe of Touraine (1342-1379) >< Viscountess Eleanor of Millau (1346-1405)​

C6a. Jeanne of France (1343-1373) >< King Guillén II of Navarra (1332-1387​

C7a. Marie of France (1344-1404) >< Duke Robert of Bar (1344-1411)​

C8a. Agnes of France (1345-1350)​

C9a. Margaret of France (1347-1352)​

C10a. Countess Isabella of Vertus (1348-1372) >< Duke Gian Galeazzo I of Milan (1351-1405)​

B2a. Marie of Valois (1326-1333)​

B3a. Louis of France (1329)​

B4a. Louis of France (1330)​

B5a. Duke Philippe of Orléans (1336-1375) >< Blanche of France (1328-1393)​

B6a. Jeanne of France (1337)​

B7b. Jeanne of France (1351-1371)​

A3a. Jeanne of Valois (1294-1352) >< Count William III of Holland (1286-1337)​

A4a. Margaret of Valois (1295-1342) >< Count Guy I of Blois (1288-1342)​

A5a. Count Charles II of Alençon (1297-1349) >< a. Jeanne of Joigny (1299-1336) b. Maria de La Cerda (1310-1379)​

B. House of Alençon​

A6a. Catherine of Valois (1299)​

A7b. Jean of Valois (1302-1308)​

A8b. Latin Empress Catherine II of Valois (1303-1346) >< Prince Philip I of Taranto (1278-1331)​

A9b. Jeanne of Valois (1304-1363) >< Count Robert of Beaumont-le-Roger (1287-1342)​

A10b. Abbess Isabelle of Fontevrault (1305-1346)​

A11c. Marie of Valois (1309-1332) >< Amaury of Narbonne (1298-1328)​

A12c. Isabelle of Valois (1313-1393) >< Duke Pierre I of Bourbon (1311-1356)​

A13c. Blanche of Valois (1317-1348) >< Emperor Karl IV of Germany (1318-1378)​

A14c. Count Louis of Chartres (1318-1328)​

​

King Charles V of France (1338-1380) >< Jeanne of Bourbon (1338-1378)

A1. Jeanne of France (1357-1360)​

A2. Bonne of France (1358-1360)​

A3. Jeanne of France (1366)​

A4. King Charles VI of France (1368-1422) >< Isabella of Bavaria (1371-1435)​

B1. Charles of France (1386)​

B2. Jeanne of France (1388-1390)​

B3. Isabelle of France (1389-1409) >< Duke Charles of Orléans (1394-1465)​

B4. Jeanne of France (1391-1433) >< Duke Jean V of Brittany (1389-1442)​

B5. Charles of France (1392-1401)​

B6. Prioress Marie of Poissy (1393-1438)​

B7. Michelle of France (1395-1422) >< King Philippe II of Burgundy (1396-1467)​

B8. Louis of France (1397-1415) >< Margaret of Burgundy (1393-1442)​

B9. Jean of France (1398-1417)​

B10. Catherine of France (1401-1437) >< King Eystein IV of England (1386-1422)​

B11. King Charles VII of France (1403-1461) >< Maria of Sicily (1404-1463)​

C1. King Louis XI of France (1423-1483) >< a. Margaret of Scotland (1424-1445) b. Charlotte of Savoy (1441-1483)​

D1b. Louis of France (1458-1460)​

D2b. Joachim of France (1459)​

D3b. Louise of France (1460)​

D4b. Anne of France (1461-1522) >< Duke Pierre II of Bourbon (1438-1503)​

D5b. Jeanne of France (1464-1505) >< King Louis XII of France (1462-1515)​

D6b. Louis of France (1466)​

D7b. King Charles VIII of France (1470-1498) >< Anne of Brittany (1477-1514)​

E1. Charles Orland of France (1492-1495)​

E2. Charles of France (1496)​

D8b. François of France (1472-1473)​

C2. Jean of France (1426)​

C3. Radegonde of France (1427-1445)​

C4. Catherine of France (1428-1446) >< King Charles V of Burgundy (1433-1486)​

C5. Jacques of France (1432-1437)​

C6. Yolande of France (1434-1478) >< Duke Amédée IX of Savoy (1435-1472)​

C7. Jeanne of France (1435-1482) >< Duke Jean II of Bourbon (1426-1488)​

C8. Philippe of France (1436)​

C9. Margaret of France (1437-1438)​

C10. Jeanne of France (1438-1446)​

C11. Marie of France (1438-1439)​

C12. Isabelle of France (1441)​

C13. Magdalene of France (1443-1495) >< Roger-Bernard of Foix (1445-1470)​

C14. Duke Charles of Berry (1446-1472)​

B12. Philippe of France (1407)​

A5. Marie of France (1370-1377)​

A6. Duke Louis I of Orléans (1372-1407) >< Valentina Visconti (1371-1408)​

B1. Louis of Orléans (1391-1395)​

B2. Duke Charles of Orléans (1394-1465) >< a. Isabelle of France (1389-1409) b. Bonne of Armagnac (1399-1435) c. Maria of Gelre (1426-1487)​

C1a. Jeanne of Orléans (1409-1432) >< Duke Jean IV of Alençon (1409-1476)​

C2c. Marie of Orléans (1457-1493) >< Jean of Foix (1450-1500)​

C3c. King Louis XII of France (1462-1515) >< a. Jeanne of France (1464-1505) b. Anne of Brittany (1477-1514)​

D1b. Duchess Claude of Brittany (1499-1525) >< King François I of France (1494-1547)​

D2b. Renée of France (1510-1574) >< Duke Ercole II of Ferrara (1508-1559)​

C4c. Abbess Anne of Fontevrault (1464-1491)​

B3. Philippe of Orléans (1396-1420)​

B4. Count Jean of Angoulême (1399-1467) >< Margaret of Rohan (c. 1430-1496)​

C1. Louis of Angoulême (1455-1458)​

C2. Count Charles of Angoulême (1459-1496) >< Louise of Savoy (1476-1531)​

D1. Margaret of Angoulême (1492-1549) >< Duke Charles IV of Alençon (1489-1553)​

D2. King François I of France (1494-1547) >< a. Duchess Claude of Brittany (1499-1525) b. Eleanor of Austria (1498-1558)​

E1a. Louise of France (1515-1518)​

E2a. Charlotte of France (1516-1524)​

E3a. Duke François III of Brittany (1518-1536)​

E4a. King Henri II of France (1519-1559) >< Maria of Sicily (1517-1574)​

.....F1. King François II of France (1544-1560)​

.....F2. Elisabeth of France (1545-1568) >< King Philippe IV of Burgundy (1527-1598)​

.....F3. Claude of France (1547-1575) >< Duke Renaud III of Bar (1543-1608)​

.....F4. Louis of France (1549-1550)​

.....F5. Charles of France (1550)​

.....F6. King Henri III of France (1553-1565)​

.....F7. Margaret of France (1553-1615)​

.....F8. Duke Hércule of Anjou (1555-1563)​

.....F9. Victoire of France (1556)​

E5a. Madeleine of France (1520-1537) >< King Alexander VI of Scotland (1512-1544)​

E6a. Duke Charles of Orléans (1522-1545)​

E7a. Margaret of France (1523-1574) >< Duke Philibert III of Savoy (1528-1580)​

C3. Jeanne of Angoulême (1462-1520)​

B5. Margaret of Orléans (1406-1466) >< Count Richard of Étampes (1396-1468)​

A7. Isabelle of France (1373-1378)​

A8. Jean of France (1376)​

A9. Catherine of France (1378-1388)​

1. Who became King of France after Henri III’s death?
2. Does the Dutch Republic still revolt against Burgundian rule?
3. Do the Habsburgs have any ruling branches outside of Germany?
4. Is Lithuania in a personal union with Poland as of the early 17th century?

 

[BlueFlowwer]

Richard, Duke of Gloucester marries Cecily Bonville intead. Lets say Thomas Grey dies at Tewekesbury and Anne Neville dies in childbirth with Edward of Lancaster's stillborn baby.

Richard III of England b 1452 m Cecily Bonville, 7th Baroness Harington, 2nd Baroness Bonville b 1460
Issue:

-Cecily of England b 1476 m James IV of Scotland b 1473, with issue

-Katherine of England b 1478 m Juan, Prince of Asturias b 1477, with issue

-Joan of England b 1480 m Philip of Burgundy b 1478

-Edward VI of England b 1482 m Maria of Aragon b 1482

-Richard, Duke of York b 1485 m ?

-Mary of England b 1487 m Christian II of Denmark b 1481

-Edmund, Duke of Gloucester b 1490 m ?

 

[Mildtryth]

1. Who became King of France after Henri III’s death?
2. Does the Dutch Republic still revolt against Burgundian rule?
3. Do the Habsburgs have any ruling branches outside of Germany?
4. Is Lithuania in a personal union with Poland as of the early 17th century?

1. You'll see - the Alençons are up next.
2. No. While Protestantism does spread to Burgundy among the common people, the situation is different, since the Burgundian monarch is not some foreigner ruling from over 1000 km away, but is right there in Mechelen, and there is no Duke of Alba around to make a bad situation worse. So there'd probably be some unrest and rioting, but not a full-scale revolt.
3. Not as of the 17th century. That might change later, or not.
4. No. they still convert to Catholicism somewhere in the 15th century, but they don't unite with Poland, though they are close to it. They also have much less land than in OTL, since there are still strong russian principalities in Kiev and Smolensk. Its borders are still mostly the Lithuanian borders before Algirdas's conquests.

 

[Mildtryth]

House of Alençon

Count Charles II of Alençon (1297-1349) >< a. Jeanne of Joigny (1299-1336) b. Maria de La Cerda (1310-1379)

A1b. Count Charles III of Alençon (1337-1375)​

A2b. Archbishop Philippe I of Rouen (1338-1397)​

A3b. Count Pierre II of Alençon (1340-1404) >< Viscountes Marie of Beaumont-au-Maine (1345-1425)​

B1. Marie of Alençon (1373-1417) >< Count Jean VII of Harcourt (1369-1452)​

B2. Pierre of Alençon (1374-1375)​

B3. Jean of Alençon (1375-1376)​

B4. Marie of Alençon (1377)​

B5. Jeanne (1378-1403)​

B6. Catherine of Alençon (1380-1462) >< a. Viscount Pierre III of Gabarret (1366-1412) b. Elector Ludwig VI of Bavaria (1368-1447)​

B7. Margaret of Alençon (1381-1420)​

B8. Count Jean III of Alençon (1385-1421) >< Marie of Brittany (1391-1446)​

C1. Pierre of Alençon (1407-1408)​

C2. Duke Jean IV of Alençon (1409-1476) >< a. Jeanne of Orléans (1409-1432) b. Marie of Armagnac (1420-1473)​

D1b. Catherine of Alençon (1452-1509) >< Count Guy XV of Laval (1435-1501)​

D2b. Duke René of Alençon (1454-1492) >< a. Margaret of Harcourt (1455-1487) b. Margaret of Bar (1463-1521)​

E1b. Duke Charles IV of Alençon (1489-1553) >< Margaret of Angoulême (1492-1549)​

.....F1. Charles of Alençon (1511-1516)​

.....F2. Margaret of Alençon (1514-1582) >< Count Jean V of Auvergne (1516-1540)​

.....F3. René of Alençon (1515)​

.....F4. King Jean III of France (1517-1582) >< Therèse of Bigorre (1521-1579)​

.........G1. Anne of France (1539-1596) >< Count Robert VII of La Marche (1531-1581)​

.........G2. Margaret of France (1542)​

.........G3. Charles of France (1545)​

.........G4. Therèse of France (1547-1579) >< King Eystein VIII of England (1532-1598)​

.........G5. Jeanne of France (1548-1570) >< Count Waléran I of Blois (1548-1621)​

.........G6. King Pierre I of France (1553-1614)​

.........G7. Duke Philippe II of Orléans (1555-1585) >< Marie of Blois (1556-1606)​

.........G8. Jacques of France (1557-1571)​

E2b. Françoise of Alençon (1490-1550) >< a. Count Guillaume III of Bâgé (1470-1512) b. Count Charles of Vendôme (1489-1537)​

E3b. Anne of Alençon (1492-1562) >< Marquis Guglielmo IX of Montferrat (1486-1518)​

C3. Marie of Alençon (1410-1412)​

C4. Jeanne of Alençon (1412-1420)​

C5. Charlotte of Alençon (1413-1435)​

A4b. Isabelle of Alençon (1342-1379)​

A5b. Count Robert of Perche (1344-1377)​

 

[TheBeanieBaron]

House of Alençon

Count Charles II of Alençon (1297-1349) >< a. Jeanne of Joigny (1299-1336) b. Maria de La Cerda (1310-1379)

A1b. Count Charles III of Alençon (1337-1375)​

A2b. Archbishop Philippe I of Rouen (1338-1397)​

A3b. Count Pierre II of Alençon (1340-1404) >< Viscountes Marie of Beaumont-au-Maine (1345-1425)​

B1. Marie of Alençon (1373-1417) >< Count Jean VII of Harcourt (1369-1452)​

B2. Pierre of Alençon (1374-1375)​

B3. Jean of Alençon (1375-1376)​

B4. Marie of Alençon (1377)​

B5. Jeanne (1378-1403)​

B6. Catherine of Alençon (1380-1462) >< a. Viscount Pierre III of Gabarret (1366-1412) b. Elector Ludwig VI of Bavaria (1368-1447)​

B7. Margaret of Alençon (1381-1420)​

B8. Count Jean III of Alençon (1385-1421) >< Marie of Brittany (1391-1446)​

C1. Pierre of Alençon (1407-1408)​

C2. Duke Jean IV of Alençon (1409-1476) >< a. Jeanne of Orléans (1409-1432) b. Marie of Armagnac (1420-1473)​

D1b. Catherine of Alençon (1452-1509) >< Count Guy XV of Laval (1435-1501)​

D2b. Duke René of Alençon (1454-1492) >< a. Margaret of Harcourt (1455-1487) b. Margaret of Bar (1463-1521)​

E1b. Duke Charles IV of Alençon (1489-1553) >< Margaret of Angoulême (1492-1549)​

.....F1. Charles of Alençon (1511-1516)​

.....F2. Margaret of Alençon (1514-1582)​

.....F3. René of Alençon (1515)​

.....F4. King Jean III of France (1517-1582) >< Therèse of Bigorre (1521-1579)​

.........G1. Anne of France (1539-1596)​

.........G2. Margaret of France (1542)​

.........G3. Charles of France (1545)​

.........G4. Therèse of France (1547-1579)​

.........G5. Jeanne of France (1548-1570)​

.........G6. King Pierre I of France (1553-1614)​

.........G7. Duke Philippe II of Orléans (1555-1585)​

.........G8. Jacques of France (1557-1571)​

E2b. Françoise of Alençon (1490-1550) >< a. Count Guillaume III of Bâgé (1478-1512) b. Count Charles of Vendôme (1489-1537)​

E3b. Anne of Alençon (1492-1562) >< Marquis Guglielmo IX of Montferrat (1486-1518)​

C3. Marie of Alençon (1410-1412)​

C4. Jeanne of Alençon (1412-1420)​

C5. Charlotte of Alençon (1413-1435)​

A4b. Isabelle of Alençon (1342-1379)​

A5b. Count Robert of Perche (1344-1377)​

1. What are the Bourbons known for if they are not Kings of France?
2. Was Swabia divided up between Albert II and Ulrich I into separate duchies?
3. Who are the main colonizers of the new world as of the early 17th century?
4. Was Spain able to expand into North Africa following the Reconquista?
5. Who became the first independent King of Provence?

 

[Mildtryth]

1. What are the Bourbons known for if they are not Kings of France?
2. Was Swabia divided up between Albert II and Ulrich I into separate duchies?
3. Who are the main colonizers of the new world as of the early 17th century?
4. Was Spain able to expand into North Africa following the Reconquista?
5. Who became the first independent King of Provence?

1. Important French nobility, and next in line to inherit France in case the Alençons die out entirely.
2. No, they were all sharing the same title but on different portions of land - it wouldn't be until after Frederick XII that you start to have formal divisions for lesser sons, like Swabia-Toggenburg or Swabia-Luzern, for example.
3. Spain, Portugal, England, France, Burgundy, and to a lesser degree, Denmark-Norway, Sweden and Scotland.
4. Only on some cities on the coast.
5. Strictly speaking, nobody - the counts of Provence inherit the Dauphinate of Viennois, start styling themselves as Dauphins of Provence and remain doing so.

 

[Zygmunt Stary]

House of Alençon

Count Charles II of Alençon (1297-1349) >< a. Jeanne of Joigny (1299-1336) b. Maria de La Cerda (1310-1379)

A1b. Count Charles III of Alençon (1337-1375)​

A2b. Archbishop Philippe I of Rouen (1338-1397)​

A3b. Count Pierre II of Alençon (1340-1404) >< Viscountes Marie of Beaumont-au-Maine (1345-1425)​

B1. Marie of Alençon (1373-1417) >< Count Jean VII of Harcourt (1369-1452)​

B2. Pierre of Alençon (1374-1375)​

B3. Jean of Alençon (1375-1376)​

B4. Marie of Alençon (1377)​

B5. Jeanne (1378-1403)​

B6. Catherine of Alençon (1380-1462) >< a. Viscount Pierre III of Gabarret (1366-1412) b. Elector Ludwig VI of Bavaria (1368-1447)​

B7. Margaret of Alençon (1381-1420)​

B8. Count Jean III of Alençon (1385-1421) >< Marie of Brittany (1391-1446)​

C1. Pierre of Alençon (1407-1408)​

C2. Duke Jean IV of Alençon (1409-1476) >< a. Jeanne of Orléans (1409-1432) b. Marie of Armagnac (1420-1473)​

D1b. Catherine of Alençon (1452-1509) >< Count Guy XV of Laval (1435-1501)​

D2b. Duke René of Alençon (1454-1492) >< a. Margaret of Harcourt (1455-1487) b. Margaret of Bar (1463-1521)​

E1b. Duke Charles IV of Alençon (1489-1553) >< Margaret of Angoulême (1492-1549)​

.....F1. Charles of Alençon (1511-1516)​

.....F2. Margaret of Alençon (1514-1582)​

.....F3. René of Alençon (1515)​

.....F4. King Jean III of France (1517-1582) >< Therèse of Bigorre (1521-1579)​

.........G1. Anne of France (1539-1596)​

.........G2. Margaret of France (1542)​

.........G3. Charles of France (1545)​

.........G4. Therèse of France (1547-1579)​

.........G5. Jeanne of France (1548-1570)​

.........G6. King Pierre I of France (1553-1614)​

.........G7. Duke Philippe II of Orléans (1555-1585)​

.........G8. Jacques of France (1557-1571)​

E2b. Françoise of Alençon (1490-1550) >< a. Count Guillaume III of Bâgé (1478-1512) b. Count Charles of Vendôme (1489-1537)​

E3b. Anne of Alençon (1492-1562) >< Marquis Guglielmo IX of Montferrat (1486-1518)​

C3. Marie of Alençon (1410-1412)​

C4. Jeanne of Alençon (1412-1420)​

C5. Charlotte of Alençon (1413-1435)​

A4b. Isabelle of Alençon (1342-1379)​

A5b. Count Robert of Perche (1344-1377)​

1. What's the POD for all of this?

 

[Mildtryth]

1. What's the POD for all of this?

Ralph the Timid lives past 1057 and is elected King of England after Edward the Confessor's death.

 

[Zygmunt Stary]

Ralph the Timid lives past 1057 and is elected King of England after Edward the Confessor's death.

Ah Ok, if I could have one more question, what do you meant by:

but they don't unite with Poland, though they are close to it.

Was there a PU which felt apart soon or Lithuania just took baptism from Poland without any PU?

 

[Mildtryth]

Ah Ok, if I could have one more question, what do you meant by:

Was there a PU which felt apart soon or Lithuania just took baptism from Poland without any PU?

The latter.

 

[Zygmunt Stary]

The latter.

Ah I see, it kinda makes sense, considering that without conquest of Kiev, Lithuania would be not so attractive prospect for King for Polish elite, so simple baptism makes sense, if I may ask once more, who is King of Poland in this TL?
Your lines are very detailed and very interesting, but it's hard to keep track on all things considering their length.