with him beign the rightful heir of henry i there can't be any reasonable challangers. she will keep a good goverment.Hopefully Matilda of Boulogne can keep a tight ship doing young Eustace's regency!
with him beign the rightful heir of henry i there can't be any reasonable challangers. she will keep a good goverment.Hopefully Matilda of Boulogne can keep a tight ship doing young Eustace's regency!
This is an interesting idea all on its own. I do hope you explore it sometime.It's not apparent from the tree, but here, Louis VII's older brother doesn't die and he marries Eleanor of Aquitaine instead. I might add an addendum for that at some point
Indeed but child rulers are fodder for uppity vassalswith him beign the rightful heir of henry i there can't be any reasonable challangers. she will keep a good goverment.
Indeed! One might think that the French monarchy would be much stronger with them inheriting Aquitaine but if Eleanor has as many sons as otl and if they are as feuding as otl then there is plenty of options for the Capetians to waste this positionThis is an interesting idea all on its own. I do hope you explore it sometime.
Very interesting. At least, this means that Charles Edward, Leopold's son, will stay in the United Kingdom and thus would have far better reputation than he did OTL. Leopold and Helen would be disappointed in their son and I know that Alice, his sister, was not happy with him when she found out about his actions.What if Alfred, Hereditary Prince of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha’s marriage to Duchess Elsa of Württemberg went though?
Alfred I, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (1844-1900), r. 1893-1900, m. 1874, Maria Alexandrovna of Russia (1853-1920)
1) Alfred II, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (b. 1874) [1], r. from 1900, m. 1897, Elsa of Württemberg (b. 1876)- a) Alfred Eugen, Hereditary Prince of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (b. 1898)- b) Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (b. 1899)- c) Prince Ernest Josias of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (b. 1901)- d) Princess Marie Elsa of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (b. 1903)2) Princess Marie of Edinburgh (b. 1875), m. Ferdinand, King of Romania (b. 1865), r. from 1914Issue as OTL3) Princess Victoria Melita of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (b. 1876)m1. 1894-1901, Ernst Ludwig, Grand Duke of Hesse and by Rhine (b. 1876), r. from 1892- a) Princess Elizabeth of Hesse and by Rhine (b. 1895) [2]m2. 1905, Cyril Vladimirovich of Russia (b. 1876)Issue as OTL4) Princess Alexandra of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (b. 1878), m. 1896, Ernest II, Prince of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (b. 1863)Issue as OTL5) Princess Beatrice of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (b. 1884), m. 1909, Infante Alfonso of Spain, Duke of Galliera (b. 1886)Issue as OTL
[1] Due to him rising a family, Alfred II’s mental health is in a better state than in OTL.
[2] Survived to adulthood ITTL.
Any suggestions for the spouses of Alfred II’s children and Elizabeth of Hesse would be appreciated.
Any scenario where Charles Edward doesn’t become a terrible person is always a good one.Very interesting. At least, this means that Charles Edward, Leopold's son, will stay in the United Kingdom and thus would have far better reputation than he did OTL. Leopold and Helen would be disappointed in their son and I know that Alice, his sister, was not happy with him when she found out about his actions.
Mary is unlikely to marry Philip here and in any case their daughter would NOT get the Netherlands as the whole Burgundian inheritance will go to Ferdinand here. A childless match between Mary and Charles V is far likelier in this scenarioPOD: The second son of Charles V survived.
Ferdinand I, Duke of Burgundy (1529-1562) m. 1554 [1] Elizabeth of England (1533-1603)
1) Henry IX of England (1555-1620) m. Katherine I of England and I of the Netherlands (1555-1611) [2]
2) Ferdinand II, Duke of Burgundy (1560-1610) m. Margaret of Austria (1567-1633)
3) Elizabeth (1563-1609) m. James VI of Scotland (1566-1625)
[1] Double wedding with Philip and Mary
[2] Daughter of Philip and Mary
So Young Affie is one of those historical characters that's intriguing because it's a situation where you're just close enough to see what happens/happened but not close enough to hear the whole story. Re: his death, there are several versions of events:Due to him rising a family, Alfred II’s mental health is in a better state than in OTL.
I knew how shocked and grieved you would be at the terrible death of your poor cousin. It is indeed terrible. You ask about the cause. It is true that he was giddy and wild, as many young men alas are, and that he contracted an illness of which I know next to nothing, as I have never asked or heard anything about it, one dislikes thinking about it, and still more speaking or writing about it. This was neglected, and the poor boy led a dissipated life besides. Potsdam! -- there was not the place for him. He was too inexperienced and heedless and giddy to resist temptations, bad examples, etc. It is not all too miserable! I loved that boy, but there was something irresistibly taking about him. He was one of those who are not fit to take care of themselves, not from evil disposition but from weakness of character.
"All of the church bells of Gotha began ringing and we heard the muffled tones of a funeral march, and Mamma, generally so sober of movement, so undemonstrative, sank to her knees, crossing herself many times and then burst into tears. Mamma! Mamma who always hid every motion; it was an overwhelming sight; Mamma weeping for her first-born.""
he shot himself. Unfortunately, he could not have chosen a more awkward moment for his tragic action, as it occurred in the midst of his parents' silver wedding anniversary celebrations. Though severely wounded, he survived. Angry at so embarrassing an incident occurring when all the family was present, Duchess Marie, against the wishes of the doctors, insisted on having her son moved to Meran, where it was hoped he would recuperate. But the journey proved too much, and young Alfred died alone save for the presence of a doctor and his manservant.
Why? Charles would be even LESS likely to remarry with two sons. I stand corrected on the Netherlands.Mary is unlikely to marry Philip here and in any case their daughter would NOT get the Netherlands as the whole Burgundian inheritance will go to Ferdinand here.
I mean, what changes if they have a kid? I'd let Mary have this win hereA childless match between Mary and Charles V is far likelier in this scenario
RIP, but half her husbands dying younger than OTL is kind of funnyb) Henry Howard, Earl of Surrey (1517-1529) in 1523
d) Francis III, Duke of Brittany (1518-1534) in 1533
f) Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500-1554) in 1546
I suppose she marries OTL Charles II d'Orléans?d) Madeleine, Duchess of Brittany (b. 1534)
Is that even allowed? Surely that's incest by canon law?Mary I, Queen of England (b. 1516) married Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500-1554) in 1546,
- c) Catherine of England (b. 1532) married Philip II, King of Spain in 1546
OTL Anna, Queen of France?Philip II, Grand Duke of Toxana (b. 1600-?) m
Can and did happen OTL. Maryland Karl just have to allow their kids to marry before THEY marry or Felipe marries Katherine after the death of either parentIs that even allowed? Surely that's incest by canon law?
It's probably the former, since Charles is marked as dying after the marriage...so you are saying that the parents of a married couple can marry freely?Can and did happen OTL. Maryland Karl just have to allow their kids to marry before THEY marry or Felipe marries Katherine after the death of either parent
provided there is no other impediment to the marriage, AFAIK, under canon law there's nothing against itIt's probably the former, since Charles is marked as dying after the marriage...so you are saying that the parents of a married couple can marry freely?
That’s some interesting information to know.SNIP