The matches for York made ZERO sense. Katherine Willoughby or Mary Howard are far likelier as first wife. Catherine de Medici also could work
List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II
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I figure that as a second son, and a Tudor who is the grandson of Edward IV to boot, he's not going to give two shits about a proper match and elope...
Pretty unlikely who he would be allowed to do it as he would be already engaged pretty early.
POD: Philip II of Spain dies in childhood.
Carlos V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500-1558) m. a) Isabel of Portugal (1503-1539), b) Marguerite of Valois (1523-1574)
[1] Children of Sigismund II of Poland and Barbara Radziwiłł.
[2] Lives longer and is less fanatically protestand due to his mother surviving childbirth.
[3] Charles IX dies earlier than OTL.
[4] Born on the feast day of Saint Alfonso of Toledo.
[5] Daughter of Henry VIII of England and Jane Seymour.
[6] Children of Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Savoy and Lucrezia d'Este.
[7] Son of Henri III of France and Elizabeth Tudor.
[8] Son of Maria I of Portugal (OTL Maria Manuela, Princess of Asturias) and Manuel II of Portugal (gender-swapped and longer lived Luisa of Guarda). João Manuel dies of a childhood illness.
[9] Son of Henry IX of England and Margaret of Austria.
Carlos V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500-1558) m. a) Isabel of Portugal (1503-1539), b) Marguerite of Valois (1523-1574)
1a) Felipe, Prince of Asturias (1527-1529)
2a) María (1528-1603) m. Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor (1527-1576)
1) Anna (1549-1600) m. Alfonso XII of Spain (1541-1609)
2) Ferdinand (1551-1552)
3) Rudolf (1552-1566)
4) Ernst, Holy Roman Emperor (1553-1595) m. Margarita of Spain (1558-1601)
5) Elisabeth (1554-1592) m. Zygmunt III of Poland (1550-1601) [1]
6) Maria (1555-1556)
7) Matthias, Archduke of Austria (1557-1619) m. Anna of Tyrol (1585-1618)
8) Margarethe (1558)
9) Maximilian, Archduke of Austria (1559-1618) Grandmaster of the Teutonic Order
10) Albrecht (1560-1561)
11) Wenzel (1562-1578)
12) Friedrich (1563-1620) Cardinal
13) Stillborn daughter (1564)
14) Karl (1565-1566)
15) Eleonore (1567-1633) m. James VI of Scotland (1566-1629)
16) Johanna (1568-1580)
3a) Fernando (1529-1530)
4a) Stillborn son (1534)
5a) Juana (1535-1573) m. Edward VI of England (1537-1558) [2]
1) Jane (1554)
2) Elizabeth (1555-1622) m. Henri III of France (1551-1593) [3]
3) Catherine (1557-1608) m. Karl Friedrich, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (1555-1609)
4) Henry IX of England (1558-1613) m. Margaret of Austria (1563-1621)
6a) Juan (1537-1538)
7a) Stillborn son (1539)
8b) Alfonso XII of Spain (1541-1609) [4] m. a) Jane Tudor (1540-1565) [5], b) Anna of Austria (1549-1600)
1a) Margarita (1558-1601) m. Ernst, Holy Roman Emperor (1553-1595)
2a) Carlos (1560-1561)
3a) Juana (1563)
4a) Felipe II of Spain (1565-1622) m. Maria of Portugal (1567-1630)
5b) María (1568-1569)
6b) Fernando (1570-1577)
7b) Alfonso, Duke of Cádiz (1571-1624) m. Maddalena of Savoy (1572-1638) [6]
8b) Ana (1574-1640) m. François III of France (1573-1608) [7]
9b) Maximiliano (1576-1578)
9b) Isabel (1542)
10b) Carlos, Duke of Burgundy (1544-1606) m. Mary I of Scotland (1542-1593)
1) Margaret (1563-1621) m. Henry IX of England (1558-1613)
2) Charles (1565)
3) James VI of Scotland (1566-1629) m. Eleonore of Austria (1567-1633)
4) Mary (1568-1612) m. Afonso VI of Portugal (1569-1639)
5) Joan (1570-1631) m. Henry II, Duke of Lorraine (1563-1624)
6) Philip, Duke of Albany (1571-1637) m. Louise Juliana of Nassau (1576-1644)
7) Elizabeth (1573-1575)
8) Eleanor (1573)
11b) Maximiliano (1545-1549)
12b) Margarita (1546-1615) m. Fernando II of Portugal (1548-1602) [8]
1) Manuel (1566-1570)
2) Maria (1567-1630) m. Felipe II of Spain (1565-1622)
3) Afonso VI of Portugal (1569-1639) m. Mary of Austria (1568-1612)
4) Fernando (1570)
5) Margarida (1572-1573)
6) Catarina (1573)
7) João, Duke of Viseu and Aveiro (1575-1626) m. Juliana de Lencastre, Duchess of Aveiro (1578-1636)
8) Carlos (1577-1579)
9) Joana (1578-1610) Nun
10) Duarte (1580)
11) Beatriz (1581-1649) m. Edward VII of England (1581-1635) [9]
12) Manuela (1583-1586)
13) Filipe, Duke of Beja (1585-1593)
14) Leonor (1588-1644) m. Cosimo II de' Medici (1590-1621)
13b) Francisco III, Duke of Milan (1548-1605) m. Jadwiga of Poland (1552-1619) [1]
1) Carlo, Duke of Milan (1570-1634) m. Maria de Medici (1575-1642)
2) Margherita (1572-1625) m. Carlo Emanuele, Duke of Savoy (1566-1633) [6]
3) Stillborn son (1575)
4) Francesco (1577-1580)
5) Filippo (1579-1580)
6) Stillborn daughter (1581)
7) Barbara (1585-1650) m. Francesco IV Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua (1586-1612)
[1] Children of Sigismund II of Poland and Barbara Radziwiłł.
[2] Lives longer and is less fanatically protestand due to his mother surviving childbirth.
[3] Charles IX dies earlier than OTL.
[4] Born on the feast day of Saint Alfonso of Toledo.
[5] Daughter of Henry VIII of England and Jane Seymour.
[6] Children of Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Savoy and Lucrezia d'Este.
[7] Son of Henri III of France and Elizabeth Tudor.
[8] Son of Maria I of Portugal (OTL Maria Manuela, Princess of Asturias) and Manuel II of Portugal (gender-swapped and longer lived Luisa of Guarda). João Manuel dies of a childhood illness.
[9] Son of Henry IX of England and Margaret of Austria.
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You mean Barbara Radziwiłł? Barbara Zapolya was wife of Zygmunt I.
Nassau - Ottonians
Count Otto I of Nassau (1222-1289) >< Agnes of Leiningen (1250-1300)
Count Otto I of Nassau (1222-1289) >< Agnes of Leiningen (1250-1300)
A1. Count Heinrich I of Nassau-Siegen (1270-1243) >< Adelaide of Heinsberg (1275-1344)
B1. Agnes of Nassau (1295-1318) >< Count Gerlach II of Isenburg-Limburg (1290-1355)
B2. Count Otto II of Nassau-Siegen (1305-1351) >< Countess Adelaide of Vianden (1312-1376)
C1. Count Johann I of Nassau-Siegen (1339-1416) >< Margaret of Mark (1342-1409)
D1. Count Adolf I of Nassau-Siegen (1362-1420) >< a. Countess Jutta of Dietz (1367-1397) a. Kunigunde of Isenburg-Limburg (1384-1402)
E1. Jutta of Nassau (1385-1424) >< Lord Gottfried VII of Eppstein (1375-1437)
D2. Count Johann II of Nassau-Siegen (1367-1443)
D3. Count Engelbert I of Nassau-Siegen (1370-1442) >< Johanna van Polanen (1392-1445)
E1. Count Johann III of Nassau-Siegen (1410-1475)
E2. Count Heinrich II of Nassau-Siegen (1414-1451) >< Genoveva of Virneburg (1418-1437)
.....F1. Otilie of Nassau-Siegen (1437-1493) >< Margrave Philipp II of Brandenburg (1427-1483)
E3. Margaret of Nassau (1415-1467) >< Count Dietrich of Sayn (1415-1452)
E4. Wilhelm of Nassau (1416)
E5. Maria of Nassau-Siegen (1418-1472) >< Count Johann II of Nassau-Wiesbaden (1419-1480)
E6. Philipp of Nassau (1420-1429)
D4. Heinrich of Nassau (1372-1402)
D5. Count Otto III of Nassau-Siegen (1373-1430)
C2. Heinrich of Nassau (1342-1402)
C3. Otto of Nassau (1343-1384)
B3. Count Heinrich II of Nassau-Beilstein (1307-1378) >< Katharina von Randerath (1370-1415)
C1. Catherine of Nassau (1390-1459) >< Count Reinhard II of Hanau (1369-1451)
C2. Count Johann I of Nassau-Beilstein (1391-1473) >< a. Mathilde of Isenburg-Grenzau (1400-1436) b. Johanna of Gemmen (1430-1451)
D1a. Philipp of Nassau (1420-1446)
D2a. Elisabeth of Nassau (1422-1459) >< Lord Otto of Bronckhorst (1392-1458)
D3a. Margaret of Nassau (1426-1498) >< Count Moritz of Pyrmont (1418-1494)
D4b. Count Heinrich IV of Nassau-Beilstein (1449-1499) >< Eva of Sayn (1455-1525)
E1. Count Johann II of Nassau-Beilstein (1472-1513) >< Maria of Solms-Braunfels (1471-1505)
.....F1. Count Johann III of Nassau-Beilstein (1490-1561) >< Anna of Nassau (1505-1554)
.....F2. Heinrich of Nassau (1493-1525)
.....F3. Hermanna of Nassau (1498-1584)
.....F4. Eva of Nassau (1500-1575)
E2. Gerhard of Nassau (1474-1506)
E3. Count Bernhard of Nassau-Beilstein (1479-1556)
E4. Reinhard of Nassau (1480-1502)
E5. Ludwig of Nassau (1482-1516)
E6. Otto of Nassau (1485)
E7. Eva of Nassau (1487-1575) >< Count Nicholas IV of Tecklenburg (1480-1541)
E8. Margaret of Nassau (1488-1531)
E9. Irmgard of Nassau (1489-1518)
E10. Elisabeth of Nassau (1492-1532)
C3. Wilhelm of Nassau (1396-1430)
C4. Count Heinrich III of Nassau-Beilstein (1400-1477)
B4. Catherine of Nassau (1309-1334)
B5. Abbess Gertrude of Altenberg (1311-1353)
A2. Mathilde of Nassau (1272-1319) >< Count Gerhard I of Schönecken (1265-1317)
A3. Count Emich I of Nassau-Hadamar (1273-1334) >< Anna of Nuremberg (1284-1355)
B1. Anna of Nassau (1297-1329) >< Lord Kuno II of Falkenstein-Münzenberg (1304-1333)
B2. Jutta of Nassau (1300-1370) >< Count Gerhard VI of Dietz (1298-1343)
B3. Count Johann I of Nassau-Hadamar (1302-1365) >< Elisabeth of Waldeck (1313-1385)
C1. Count Heinrich I of Nassau-Hadamar (1330-1368)
C2. Count Emich III of Nassau-Hadamar (1331-1394)
C3. Johann of Nassau (1333-1362)
C4. Elisabeth of Nassau (1335-1413)
C5. Adelaide of Nassau (1338-1413) >< Count Friedrich III of Castell (1330-1379)
C6. Anna of Nassau-Hadamar (1345-1404) >< a. Count Rupert VII of Nassau-Sonnenberg (1340-1390) b. Count Dieter VIII of Katzenelnbogen-Darmstadt (1340-1402)
B4. Count Emich II of Nassau-Hadamar (1304-1359)
B5. Agnes of Nassau (1305-1342)
B6. Helena of Nassau (1306-1368)
B7. Margaret of Nassau (1308-1370) >< Count Rudolf II of Hohenberg (1305-1335)
A4. Otto of Nassau (1274-1302)
A5. Count Johann I of Nassau-Dillenburg (1276-1338)
A6. Abbess Gertrude of Altenberg (1278-1359)
Count Johann III of Nassau-Siegen (1410-1475) >< Maria of Heinsberg (1424-1502)A1. Anna of Nassau (1440-1514) >< Duke Otto V of Brunswick-Lüneburg (1439-1471)
A2. Joanna of Nassau (1444-1468) >< Count Philipp I of Waldeck (1445-1475)
A3. Otilie of Nassau (1445-1495)
A4. Adriana of Nassau (1449-1477) >< Count Philipp I of Hanau (1449-1500)
A5. Count Engelbert II of Nassau-Siegen (1451-1504) >< Cymburga of Baden (1450-1501)
A6. Count Johann IV of Nassau-Siegen (1455-1516) >< Elisabeth of Hesse (1466-1523)
B1. Count Heinrich III of Nassau-Siegen (1483-1538) >< a. Louise of Enghien (1485-1511) b. Claudia de Châlon, Princess of Orange (1498-1521) c. Mencia de Mendoza (1508-1554)
C1b. René of Nassau, Prince of Orange (1519-1544) >< Anna of Bar (1522-1568)
B2. Johann of Nassau (1484-1504)
B3. Ernst of Nassau (1486)
B4. Count Wilhelm I of Nassau-Siegen (1487-1559) >< a. Walburga of Egmond (1489-1529) b. Juliana of Stolberg-Wernigerode (1506-1580)
C1a. Elisabeth of Nassau (1515-1523)
C2a. Magdalene of Nassau (1522-1567) >< Count Herman of Neuenahr (1514-1578)
C3b. William V of Nassau, Prince of Orange (1533-1601) >< a. Anna of Egmond (1533-1558) b. Anna of Saxony (1544-1577) c. Charlotte of Bourbon (1546-1602)
D1a. Maria of Orange (1553-1555)
D2a. Philip of Nassau, Prince of Orange (1554-1618) >< Éléonore of Brienne (1587-1619)
D3a. Maria of Orange (1556-1616)
D4b. Anna of Orange (1563)
D5b. Agnes of Orange (1564-1636) >< Count Waléran I of Blois (1548-1621)
D6b. Maurice of Nassau, Prince of Orange (1567-1625)
D7b. Emilia of Orange (1569-1629)
D8c. Louise of Orange (1576-1644) >< Dauphin Henri IV of Provence (1575-1624)
D9c. Elisabeth of Orange (1577-1642) >< Henri de La Tour d'Auvergne, Viscount of Sedan (1555-1623)
D10c. Catherine of Orange (1578-1648) >< Count Philipp V of Hanau (1576-1612)
D11c. Charlotte of Orange (1579-1640) >< Count Bernhard IX of Lippe (1576-1622)
D12c. Anna of Orange (1580-1631) >< Hugues of La Marche (1560-1612)
D13c. Emilia of Orange (1583-1657) >< Count Palatine Friedrich I of Zweibrücken-Landsberg (1585-1645)
D14c. William VI of Nassau, Prince of Orange (1584-1647) >< Amalia of Solms-Braunfels (1602-1675)
E1. William VII of Nassau, Prince of Orange (1626-1650)
E2. Louise of Nassau, Princess of Orange (1627-1667) >< Count Johann VIII of Nassau-Siegen (1627-1699)
E3. Henriette of Orange (1628)
E4. Isabelle of Orange (1632-1642)
E5. Albertine of Orange (1634-1696) >< Count Wilhelm II of Dietz (1613-1664)
E6. Henriette of Orange (1637-1708)
E7. Henri of Orange (1639)
E8. Marie of Orange (1642-1688)
C4b. Hermanna of Nassau (1534)
C5b. Count Johann V of Nassau-Dillenburg (1536-1606) >< a. Elisabeth of Leuchtenberg (1537-1579) b. Johanette of Sayn-Wittgenstein (1561-1622)
D1a. Count Wilhelm II of Nassau-Dillenburg (1560-1620) >< Anna of Jülich (1563-1588)
D2a. Count Johann VI of Nassau-Siegen (1561-1623) >< Magdalena of Waldeck-Wildungen (1558-1599)
E1. Count Ernst of Nassau-Siegen (1582-1617)
E2. Count Johann VII of Nassau-Siegen (1583-1638)
E3. Elisabeth of Nassau-Siegen (1584-1661)
E4. Adolf of Nassau (1586-1608)
E5. Juliana of Nassau-Siegen (1587-1643) >< Landgrave Wilhelm V of Hesse-Marburg (1574-1652)
E6. Anna of Nassau (1589-1620)
E7. Albert of Nassau (1590)
E8. Count Wilhelm III of Nassau-Dillenburg (1592-1642)
E9. Anna of Nassau (1594-1636)
E10. Friedrich of Nassau (1595-1600)
E11. Magdalene of Nassau (1596-1662)
D3a. Count Georg of Nassau-Beilstein (1562-1623) >< Margaret of Blois (1566-1599)
D4a. Elisabeth of Nassau-Dillenburg (1564-1611) >< Count Philipp III of Saarbrücken (1542-1602)
D5a. Juliana of Nassau (1565-1630)
D6a. Count Philipp of Nassau-Dillenburg (1566-1595)
D7a. Maria of Nassau-Dillenburg (1568-1625) >< Count Johann III of Nassau-Wiesbaden (1567-1596)
D8a. Anna of Nassau (1569-1576)
D9a. Matilda of Nassau-Dillenburg (1570-1625) >< Landgrave Johann IV of Thuringia (1571-1612)
D10a. Albert of Nassau (1572)
D11a. Count Heinrich VI of Dietz (1573-1632)
D12a. Count Ludwig of Nassau-Siegen (1575-1604)
D13b. Adolf of Nassau (1588-1589)
D14b. Count Philip I of Nassau-Hadamar (1590-1653)
D15b. Johanette of Bassau (1593-1654) >< Konrad of Tecklenburg (1585-1618)
D16b. Anna of Nassau (1594-1660) >< Count Philipp III of Isenburg-Birstein (1595-1635)
D17b. Magdalene of Nassau (1595-1633) >< Count Georg IV of Erbach (1597-1647)
D18b. Amalia of Nassau (1599-1667) >< Count Wilhelm I of Isenburg-Birstein (1597-1667)
C6b. Count Ludwig of Nassau-Beilstein (1538-1564)
C7b. Maria of Nassau (1539-1599) >< Count Willem IV of Bergh (1537-1596)
C8b. Count Adolf of Nassau-Beilstein (1540-1568)
C9b. Anna of Nassau-Dillenburg (1541-1616) >< Count Albert I of Nassau-Weilburg (1537-1593)
C10b. Elisabeth of Nassau-Dillenburg (1542-1603) >< Count Konrad of Solms-Braunfels (1540-1592)
C11b. Catherine of Nassau (1543-1624) >< Count Gunther XLI of Schwarzburg-Arnstadt (1529-1583)
C12b. Juliana of Nassau (1546-1588) >< Count Albert VII of Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt (1537-1605)
C13b. Magdalene of Nassau (1547-1633) >< Count Wolfgang of Hohnelohe-Weikersheim (1546-1610)
C14b. Count Heinrich II of Nassau-Hadamar (1550-1574)
B5. Elisabeth of Nassau (1488-1559)
B6. Maria of Nassau-Siegen (1491-1547) >< Count Jobst of Holstein-Schaumburg (1483-1531)
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VVD0D95
Banned
Mary II of England and Ireland, I of Scotland (b.1542) m 1) Francis II of France (b.1544: d.1560) 2) Esme Stewart, Duke of Ross (b.1542)
issue:
James, Prince of Wales (b.1564)
Princess Mary (b.1566)
Esme, Duke of York and Albany (b.1567)
Princess Anne (b.1569)
Miscarriage (1570)
Miscsrriage (1572)
Alexander, Duke of Gloucester and Ross (b.1577)
*mary makes a bit of a love marriage with Esme.
Open to a more likely marriage beyond this one tho
@Kellan Sullivan @isabella @Emperor Constantine @FalconHonour @King of Danes
issue:
James, Prince of Wales (b.1564)
Princess Mary (b.1566)
Esme, Duke of York and Albany (b.1567)
Princess Anne (b.1569)
Miscarriage (1570)
Miscsrriage (1572)
Alexander, Duke of Gloucester and Ross (b.1577)
*mary makes a bit of a love marriage with Esme.
Open to a more likely marriage beyond this one tho
@Kellan Sullivan @isabella @Emperor Constantine @FalconHonour @King of Danes
I mean, sure. I just like thinking that Henry can deal with a trouble son 😂
my take on @Historymaster 's "Granada Free" idea (I have no idea how plausible it is, but possibly plays off in the same world as Fernando el Catolico marries la Beltraneja). Names in square brackets are the Spanish names they're given or used. :
Abu’l Hasan Ali ibn Saïd [Muley Hacén[1]], Emir of Granada [1464-1482; 1483-1485] (d.1485) 1m: 1455 Aïxa al-Hurra (-1483); 2m: 1474 Isabel de Solís [Zoraya] (1454-1510)
[1] Muley Hacén was supported by Enrique IV in his bids against his father, Abu Nas’r Sa’d (even serving in the Castilian king’s Moorish Guard (disbanded in 1467), a sort of elite body-guard for the king). Which puts Isabel la Catolica’s war against Granada in a whole different light- since Fernando el Catolico supported Muley Hacén’s rival Ibrahim al-Nayyar (in the Tordesillas Treaty of 27 June 1474), by which Ibrahim al-Nayyar actually accepted Aragonese vassalage in exchange for support against Castile.
[2] Killed in the Battle of Málaga in 1483 (OTL he was captured). This will have profound effects on the OTL conquest of Granada. OTL, Boabdil’s release and return to reign in Granada was marked by differences between he and his uncle, El Zagal until the kingdom fell. One of which was the crucial surrender of Baza in 1489. The “governor” of Baza was one Cidi Yahya al Nayar, nephew of Ibrahim al Nayyar, grandson of Yusuf IV (on one side), and Abū’ l-Qāsim (Abulcasem) Venegas, on the other. Venegas was vizier to El Zagal (so Boabdil refused to go to Cidi Yahya’s aid), even when the odds seemed favourable. Cidi surrendered the city to Fernando el Catolico and agreed to convert to Christianity (becoming D. Pedro de Venegas). Cidi’s switch and Baza’s fall made the entire valley of Almenzora and mountains of Filabres surrender, followed by the fortresses of Almunecar and Salobrena. Cidi then persuaded his brother-in-law El Zagal to turn over the cities of Almeria and Guadix to Fernando
[3] Became known as Mariana on her baptism.
[4] Son of Ana de Navarra (bastard daughter of Carlos, Prince of Viana) and the 1e duque de Medinaceli
[5] Daughter of Cem Sultan. As to how Cem Sultan winds up in Granada? When he flees after his defeat at his brother’s hands, he still winds up in Rhodes, then Rome (under Pope Alexander VI). When the Italian Wars start, Cem is sent to Spain (for safe-keeping) and winds up in Valencia with his daughters. Fernando el Catolico, ever the opportunist, decides to arrange a marriage between Cem’s elder daughter and the Emir of Granada.
Long story short: the rival claim to the Ottoman throne is now lodged “comfortably” in the Spanish nobility.
[6] Killed in the Battle of Málaga in 1491
@VVD0D95 @The_Most_Happy @isabella @Reyne @RedAquilla @John7755 يوحنا
Abu’l Hasan Ali ibn Saïd [Muley Hacén[1]], Emir of Granada [1464-1482; 1483-1485] (d.1485) 1m: 1455 Aïxa al-Hurra (-1483); 2m: 1474 Isabel de Solís [Zoraya] (1454-1510)
[1m.] Muhammed XII [Boabdil], Emir of Granada [1482-1483[2]] (1459-1483) m: 1482 Morayma bint Ibrahim (1467-1493)
[1m.] Yusuf
[1m.] Aïxa (?)
[2m.] Abu’l Saïd II ibn Hasan [Fernando], Emir of Granada [1491-1527] (1470-1527) m: 1496 Gevhermelik Hatun[5] ()
[2m.] Nas’r [Juan] (1480-1543) m:
Muhammed XIII [El Zagal], Emir of Granada [1485-1491[6]] (1444-1491) m: Esquivila Al Nayara () [1] Muley Hacén was supported by Enrique IV in his bids against his father, Abu Nas’r Sa’d (even serving in the Castilian king’s Moorish Guard (disbanded in 1467), a sort of elite body-guard for the king). Which puts Isabel la Catolica’s war against Granada in a whole different light- since Fernando el Catolico supported Muley Hacén’s rival Ibrahim al-Nayyar (in the Tordesillas Treaty of 27 June 1474), by which Ibrahim al-Nayyar actually accepted Aragonese vassalage in exchange for support against Castile.
[2] Killed in the Battle of Málaga in 1483 (OTL he was captured). This will have profound effects on the OTL conquest of Granada. OTL, Boabdil’s release and return to reign in Granada was marked by differences between he and his uncle, El Zagal until the kingdom fell. One of which was the crucial surrender of Baza in 1489. The “governor” of Baza was one Cidi Yahya al Nayar, nephew of Ibrahim al Nayyar, grandson of Yusuf IV (on one side), and Abū’ l-Qāsim (Abulcasem) Venegas, on the other. Venegas was vizier to El Zagal (so Boabdil refused to go to Cidi Yahya’s aid), even when the odds seemed favourable. Cidi surrendered the city to Fernando el Catolico and agreed to convert to Christianity (becoming D. Pedro de Venegas). Cidi’s switch and Baza’s fall made the entire valley of Almenzora and mountains of Filabres surrender, followed by the fortresses of Almunecar and Salobrena. Cidi then persuaded his brother-in-law El Zagal to turn over the cities of Almeria and Guadix to Fernando
[3] Became known as Mariana on her baptism.
[4] Son of Ana de Navarra (bastard daughter of Carlos, Prince of Viana) and the 1e duque de Medinaceli
[5] Daughter of Cem Sultan. As to how Cem Sultan winds up in Granada? When he flees after his defeat at his brother’s hands, he still winds up in Rhodes, then Rome (under Pope Alexander VI). When the Italian Wars start, Cem is sent to Spain (for safe-keeping) and winds up in Valencia with his daughters. Fernando el Catolico, ever the opportunist, decides to arrange a marriage between Cem’s elder daughter and the Emir of Granada.
Long story short: the rival claim to the Ottoman throne is now lodged “comfortably” in the Spanish nobility.
[6] Killed in the Battle of Málaga in 1491
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A potential match is with Anne, Baroness Bourchier and daughter of the earl of Essex. Her OTL engagement to Parr is likely not to be allowed here if the king has a second son he wants to marry her. Howard was an Anne Boleyn sponsored thing, she didn't even come with a dowry (which were all why Henry refused to pay her any moneys after she was widowed, despite it being agreed in the contract: Anne was dead, Mary was a "random hanger on" to his mind), so she'd be far more scandalous if she married the duke of York in similar fashion. Also, Howard was to make up for Anne's scotching of Surrey's proposed match to Katherine Marney so he could (potentially) marry the Lady Mary. A likelier match would be the OTL countess of Surrey (who, with no Anne Boleyn, is down a husband).
POD: Edward Tudor died in the early 1540s. [ @isabella @Kellan Sullivan @VVD0D95 ]
Mary I, Queen of England (1516-1558) m. 1547 Philip II, King of Spain (1527-1598)
Mary I, Queen of England (1516-1558) m. 1547 Philip II, King of Spain (1527-1598)
1) Philip II, King of England and the Netherlands (1548-1620) m. Mary I, Queen of Scotland (1542-1605) (a)
2) Katherine, Princess of England and Spain (1550-1600) m. Charles IX, King of France (1550-1574)
3) Margaret, Princess of England and Spain (1553-1618) m. Henry III, King of Navarre (1553-1610)
4) Edward, Duke of York and Milan (1555-1618) m. Elisabeth, Archduchess of Austria (1554-1592) (a) Maria de' Medici, Princess of Tuscany (1575-1642) (b)
Elizabeth, Princess of England (1533-1603) m. 1547 Ferdinand II, Archduke of Austria (1529-1595)1) Anne, Archduchess of Austria (1549-1580) m. Philip II, King of Spain (1527-1598)
2) Ferdinand, Archduke of Austria (1551-1611) m. Maximiliana Maria, Princess of Bavaria (1552-1614)
3) Elizabeth, Archduchess of Austria (1563-1627) m. Charles Emmanuel I, Duke of Savoy (1562-1630)
Mary in 1547 will marry Charles V as she wanted OTL NOT Philip who is barely inn his 20s at this point. And she will be likely marry as soon she is Queen so at least 2/£ years before your proposed date.
Henry III of Navarre is both Protestant and almost a King in name only so he would NEVER EVER get an Habsburg wife…
João III, King of Portugal (1502-1557) 1m: 1525 Catalina of Austria (1507-1537); 2m: 1540 Kristina of Denmark (b.1521)
[1] Empress Isabel survives, which sort of “negates” Karl V’s urgency for a Portuguese match. Felipe II marries either Marguerite de France, Jeanne III of Navarre or Elizabeth Tudor
[2] Our POD
[3] The deaths of his brother, Diniz (January 1537), and Manuel (14 April 1537) and Filipe (29 April 1537) cause Queen Catarina to go into premature labour and die delivering Joao (who is stillborn). This prompts João III to start nervously glancing at the succession and turn to his sister, Empress Isabel for advice. Isabel recommends Kristina, the Flemish-raised sister of her favourite niece (as OTL), Dorothea, for a second wife. Karl V is not thrilled by this, since he had other plans for Kristina’s remarriage, but agrees when Henry VIII starts offering Mary Tudor (after Edward VI’s birth) and François I suggests Marguerite de Valois. The duke of Lorraine marries Maria of Viseu
[4] Figure the age gap between Juana of Spain and João IV will be too large TTL, so she might end in Poland as third wife for Sigismund III (given that I’ve nixed both her husbands). Maybe both Henri II's eldest daughters will be queens of England and Portugal here?
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[1m.] Affonso (1526-1526)
[1m.] Maria (1527-1554) m: 1541 Emanuele Filiberto[1], Duke of Savoy (b.1528)
Caterina (b.1546)
Carlo Emanuele (b.1548)
Stillborn Daughter (1549)
Maria Maddalena (1551-1555)
Giovanni (b.1554)
[1m.] Isabel (1529-1530)
[1m.] Beatriz (1530-1530)
[1m.] Manuel (1531-1537)
[1m.] Filipe (1533-1537[2])
[1m.] Diniz (1535-1537)
[1m.] João[3] (1537)
[2m.] João IV, King of Portugal (b.1541) m: ?[4]
[2m.] Joana [twin of Isabel] (1542-1544)
[2m.] Isabel [twin of Joana] (b.1542)
[2m.] Stillborn Son (1543)
[2m.] Cristina (1546-1549)
[2m.] Dorotea (b.1548)
[2m.] António, Duque de Beja (b.1551)
[2m.] Stillborn Daughter (1556)
[1] Empress Isabel survives, which sort of “negates” Karl V’s urgency for a Portuguese match. Felipe II marries either Marguerite de France, Jeanne III of Navarre or Elizabeth Tudor
[2] Our POD
[3] The deaths of his brother, Diniz (January 1537), and Manuel (14 April 1537) and Filipe (29 April 1537) cause Queen Catarina to go into premature labour and die delivering Joao (who is stillborn). This prompts João III to start nervously glancing at the succession and turn to his sister, Empress Isabel for advice. Isabel recommends Kristina, the Flemish-raised sister of her favourite niece (as OTL), Dorothea, for a second wife. Karl V is not thrilled by this, since he had other plans for Kristina’s remarriage, but agrees when Henry VIII starts offering Mary Tudor (after Edward VI’s birth) and François I suggests Marguerite de Valois. The duke of Lorraine marries Maria of Viseu
[4] Figure the age gap between Juana of Spain and João IV will be too large TTL, so she might end in Poland as third wife for Sigismund III (given that I’ve nixed both her husbands). Maybe both Henri II's eldest daughters will be queens of England and Portugal here?
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Elisabeth of Austria for Edward looks weird (and supremely unlikely). Especially if he winds up as duke of Milan (which needs a pre-1540s POD that Karl V holds off investing Felipe with it- because Felipe isn't going to give up his foothold in the empire/justification for messing with his uncle). Likely, if Edward gets Milan, he gets an Italian bride to go with it (problem is that the Italian houses are a bit thin: Farnese, Este and Savoy haven't got anybody of age; Medici is still too parvenu)
Course, you could get England in the mood to screw with France: have Henri de Savoie-Nemours (b.1557), the son of Jacques de Savoie-Nemours born as "Henrietta". Henrietta's mother is a Protestant Rohan cousin of Jeanne III of Navarre. And Henrietta's parents' marriage was being challenged by Renée de France (since Jacques was under pre-contract to her daughter, Madame Lucretia, at the time, before later marrying the widowed duchesse de Guise), Jeanne III (who argued it was legal), Catherine de Medici/Charles IX, who were Françoise de Rohan's employers. Henrietta de Savoie-Nemours is Protestant through her mother, although likely raised Catholic (as her OTL counterpart was).
Margaret is likelier to get Sebastiao of Portugal or Rudolf II.
But I agree with @isabella that Mary is likelier to get Karl V.
Just like Elizabeth is likely- if Mary marries Karl V, to get Felipe II, Ferdinand I or Joao Manuel of Portugal, not some second son. Kill off Maria of Spain early and Liz might even get Maximilian II
I strongly disagree on Philip III and Maria Manuela marrying someone else, specially when she has no brother (and she would have either a pregnant stepmother or a bother few months old at the time of her marriage, who is a year too early)
Yes, she did exactly that (as Henry VIII died in January 1547 so she took the throne and married Philip before the year ended)
Henry converted to marry her obviously...same as he converted IOTL to marry Margaret of Valois
I thought so too, but I remembered @isabella saying a million times that neither would be willing to marry.... (of course this won't stop me from pairing those two off with any other women from my future trees)
She's technically still the queen's bastard sister - a second son is fairly high ranking for her
Hence...the non-Italian bride 😂
she was being offered for Ferdinand I and Felipe II when she was Edward VI's bastard sister as well