List alternate PMs or Presidents

[Cevolian]

SO FADES THE GLORY
Goldwater wins the election, but loses the war...​

1961-1965: John F. Kennedy/Lyndon Johnson (Democratic)
1960 Def: Richard Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (Republican)
1965-1972: Barry Goldwater/William E. Miller (Republican)
1964 Def: John F. Kennedy/Hubert Humphrey (Democratic)
1968 Def: Lyndon Johnson/Edmund Muskie (Democratic), Robert Kennedy/Scattered ("Independent Democrat")
1972-1973: Allen J. Ellender/vacant (Democratic)
1973-1981: Richard Nixon/Robert Kennedy (Union)
1972 Def: Ronald Reagan/Phil Crane (Republican), Allen J. Ellender/James Carter (Democratic), Ed Clark/David Koch (Libertarian), Nelson Rockefeller/George Romney ("Peace" Republican), George McGovern/Scattered ("Independent Democrat")
1980 Def: Nelson Rockefeller/Spiro Agnew (Republican), Ed Clark/Murray Rothbard (Libertarian), James Carter/George Wallace (Democratic)
1981-1985: Ed Clark/George McGovern (Libertarian/Democratic)
1980 Def: Robert Kennedy/Gerald Ford (Union), Walter Mondale/George McGovern (Democratic), Ronald Reagan/Alexander Haig ("Conservative" Republican), George Romney/Scattered ("Independent" Republican)
1985-1993: Gerry Brown/Joe Biden (Union)
1984 Def: Phil Crane/Murray Rothbard ("Conservative" Republican/"Conservative" Libertarian), George McGovern/George Wallace (Democratic), Ed Clark/Ron Paul (Libertarian)
1993-1997: Pat Buchanan/Ross Perot (Conservative)
1992 Def: Al Gore/George H. Bush (Union), Ralph Nader/Bernard Sanders (Independent Progressive), Strom Thurmond/David Duke (Democratic), Ron Paul/Scattered ("True" Libertarian)
1997-2001: John McCain/William Clinton (Union)
1996 Def: Pat Buchanan/Ross Perot (Conservative), David Duke/Contested (Democratic)
2001-20---: Mike Pence/Rick Santorum (Conservative)
2000 Def: John McCain/William Clinton (Union), George W. Bush/Hillary Rodham ("Interventionist" Union)
2004 Def: John McCain/John Edwards (Union)
2008 Def: Clint Eastwood/Dan Quayle (Independent "American"), Varied Regionally (Union), Various (Democrats)

In this world JFK survives, only to be caught and photographed with Marilyn Monroe in a... compromising manner. His athe,ours to get LBJ off the ticket shatters the Democrats, and allows for a narrow Goldwater victory. Winning again in 1968 after RFK refuses to accept the "rigged" result of the DNC, Goldwater ends up taking the US to war with the Soviet Union. A limited nuclear exchange sees the President and Vice President dead, but the President Pro-Tempore takes over, promoting a segregationist policy which leads to the total breakdown of law and order in the US. Although former Vice President Richard Nixon is able to restore a semblance of order and brings about peace, the rise of the Conservative right and an ultranationalist national mood leads to a very ugly next few decades, with a disastrous Libertarian Presidency, the Dixiecrats holding the Democratic Party hostage to such an extent as to have George Wallace as the VP pick not once but twice. By the 21st century the nation is presided over by an ultranationalist Christian extremist, who eyes the Soviet Union and its new alliance with the European Commonwealth suspiciously...

 

[KingCrawa]

Father Knows Best - A More Paternalistic Style of Politics. ​

Herbert Morrison (Labour): 1949 – 1951.

Having already been leader for 14 years and having achieved all that he wanted to, Attlee stepped down at the 1949 conference with his main rival Morrison confirmed by acclamation at a special conference shortly after. But any hope that Morrison could revive Labour’s ailing fortunes would come to naught.

RA. Butler (Conservative): 1951 – 1961

With Churchill quietly force into retirement following the 1950 election, RA.Butler was the choice of the Magic Circle to take on the big chair. Following his victory at the 1951 election, Butler focused mainly on foreign affairs, leaving domestic affairs to his cabinet. The Butler government is mainly remembered for increasing devolution to local government (something begun by the Morrison government) the forerunner to today’s regional devolution.

Selwyn Lloyd (Conservative): 1961 – 1964

Lloyd largely continued the path set by Butler, with the last few former colonies folding into the Commonwealth during his first year in office. The majority of Lloyd’s time was taken up with trying to take the UK into the new EEC, plans which were more successful than some had thought they would be. While his relationship with Europe flourished however his relationship with President McCormack floundered.

Richard Crossman (Labour): 1964 – 1970

Crossman was one of the big intellectuals of the party. Under his leadership the party engaged in one of the biggest cultural revolutions the country had seen, legalising abortion, easing divorce and abolishing the death penalty. He also sought to turn the EEC into a bulwark against the Soviet Union and made efforts to repair the UK relationship with the US, though that did not extend to following them to war in Cuba.

Edward Short (Labour): 1970 – 1973

Replacing Crossman when he retired one year after the 1969 election, Short couldn’t do much other than follow in his footsteps. While he did engage in some big infrastructure projects, including a new set of rail networks this wasn’t enough to prevent Labour being felled by voter fatigue.

Willie Whitelaw (Conservative): 1973 – 1982

Whitelaw was just the reassuring father figure the country needed and aristocratic enough to appeal to the Shire Tories. While he was never a member of Keith Joseph’s monetarist camp, he saw the value of altering the post war consensus. To this end he moved several business into private ownership, as well as continuing the process of shrinking centralised government which had been a big part of the Crossman and Short years. After nine years in the role however with the economy dipping slightly, the amiable Whitelaw was beaten by someone who could excite the voters a little more.

Michael Foot (Labour Minority): 1982 – 1984

Foot was a master of oratory but while he swayed voters away from the Tories, it wasn’t enough to secure a majority, forcing him to rely on the Liberals for support. His administration was in a word a disaster. He first attempted to roll back some of Whitelaw’s policies turning businesses into workers co-operatives and taking the big industries back under national control. However when he begun slashing the military budget, and started talking about scrapping Britain’s nuclear deterrent, the Liberal’s not wanting this hung around their necks, pulled their support, forcing Foot to go to the country.

Francis Pym (Conservative): 1984 – 1987

Pym’s preferred a stick and carrot style of governance. While he reversed Foots national co-operatives he did put workers on the boards of most companies. However the price of this was Unions agreeing to a fifty percent margin for strike votes. Pym also pushed for further European integration, seeing the advantages of a united Europe, though he was quick to veto a single currency. However after only three years in office Pym was beginning to feel the strain, and retired in favour of his Chancellor.

Geoffrey Howe (Conservative): 1987 – 1992

While being attacked by Howe could rightly be described as being “savaged by a dead sheep”, Howe bought to mind the reassuring Whitelaw years and is fondly remembered to this day. While Howe sought to improve the British economy by investing in the burgeoning tech industry, most of the latter period of his time in office was taken up with managing the collapse of the Soviet Union and assisting President Foley with his war in Syria. The lack of attention paid to domestic policy, led to a Labour victory in 1992.

Margaret Beckett (Labour): 1992 -2000

Britain’s first female PM, Beckett’s first job was to extricate the UK from the war in the Middle East. Following that, she took on reinvigorating Britain’s ailing transport network, including overseeing the opening of the rail tunnel between Britain and France as well as managing devolution to Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. After eight years in the role, she stepped aside for her charismatic Foreign Secretary.

Robin Cook (Labour): 2000 – 2004

Cook is considered by many to be the great lost leader of the Labour party. During his time in office, he invested heavily in housing and renewable energy, while also parleying his foreign policy expertise into turning the Commonwealth as well as the EU into a major negotiating power. However the stress of the job led to a fatal heart attack in 2004, leading quite a few counterfactual experts – especially at Dynamo Press – to wonder what else he could have done.

Geoff Hoon (Labour): 2004 – 2005

The surprise winner of the 2004 Labour leadership election, Hoon had none of Cook’s popularity, and the sympathy vote only went so far. After only a few months in Number 10, Hoon’s government was demolished by a resurgent Tory party.

George Young (Conservative): 2005 – 2012

Another leader in the Whitelaw and Howe mould, Young will go down in history as the PM who oversaw the setting up of regional parliaments to balance out the parliaments in Edinburgh, Stormont and Cardiff, and the devolution of the majority of Westminster’s powers. Economic policy was one of the few maintained by Parliament. Young’s decision to divvy up investment and commercial banking was praised following the 2010 recession as has his role in helping European economies recover.

William Hague (Conservative): 2012 – Present.

Young’s Home Secretary took over in 2012 and immediately found himself with a major foreign policy situation on his hands. Newly re-elected President Boehner wanted EU help with ongoing situation in the Crimea. Unwilling to commit troops, Hague did agree to round up support for air strikes. This and handling the economic recovery were the main staples of his first term. Having been re-elected last year Hague is now preparing to put forward a referendum on proportional representation, which seems to have wrong footed Chris Bryant’s Labour party.

 

[KingCrawa]

There's another thing behind this list that was the original inspiration if anyone cares to spot it.

 

[RyanF]

Nice work @KingCrawa, one question though - you mention under Beckett devolved administrations were set up for England, Scotland and NI then later under Young regional parliaments were set up to offset Edinburgh, Stormont, and Cardiff. Did you mean to say that devolution was given to the Celtic nations under Beckett then the English regions under Young, or was an English parliament set up under Beckett and then split into regional parliaments under Young?

 

[KingCrawa]

Nice work @KingCrawa, one question though - you mention under Beckett devolved administrations were set up for England, Scotland and NI then later under Young regional parliaments were set up to offset Edinburgh, Stormont, and Cardiff. Did you mean to say that devolution was given to the Celtic nations under Beckett then the English regions under Young, or was an English parliament set up under Beckett and then split into regional parliaments under Young?

That should have been Wales under Beckett. Nice spot.

 

[RyanF]

That should have been Wales under Beckett. Nice spot.

Thought so, although the mistake does lead to an interesting idea that an English parliament is set up with the rest of the Home Nations only to become an absolute failure and be abolished in favour of regional parliaments.

 

[KingCrawa]

Thought so, although the mistake does lead to an interesting idea that an English parliament is set up with the rest of the Home Nations only to become an absolute failure and be abolished in favour of regional parliaments.

Have you spotted the inspiration behind the list - There is a reason I picked these people.

 

[RyanF]

Have you spotted the inspiration behind the list - There is a reason I picked these people.

It's lost on me I'm afraid, but as soon as you tell me I'm sure I'll slap my hand to my forehead and say "of course".

 

[Stateless]

Have you spotted the inspiration behind the list - There is a reason I picked these people.

All Leaders of the House of Commons. Is there an additional reason?

 

[KingCrawa]

All Leaders of the House of Commons. Is there an additional reason?

Nope. All Leaders of the House. However if you go through the list you see a lot of them were also deputy leaders of their party. I tried to make it so they all were but there wasn't enough crossover.

 

[KingCrawa]

All Leaders of the House of Commons. Is there an additional reason?

Sorry for the double post but its worth pointing out there's something special about the Presidents mentioned to.

 

[Beata Beatrix]

Sorry for the double post but its worth pointing out there's something special about the Presidents mentioned to.

They're all Speakers of the House, too.

 

[KingCrawa]

They're all Speakers of the House, too.

Correct. But before they were Speaker they were all majority leader which was what I was aiming for.

 

[Gigachad3k]

Chancellors of Germany (No Communism)

Georg von Hertling (1917-1919)
Constantin Fehrenbach (1919-1924)
Gustav Stresemann (1924-1928)
Hermann Müller (1928-1930)
Heinrich Brüning (1930-1933)
Alfred Hugenberg (1933-1951)
Carl Friedrich Goerdeler (1951-1953)
Konrad Adenauer (1953-1963)
Ludwig Erhard (1963-1969)
Willy Brandt (1969-1976)
Hans-Dietrich Genscher (1976-1987)
Helmut Khol (1987-2002)
Gerhard Schröder (2002-2009)
Angela Merkel (2009-Now)


Monarchs of Germany

Wilhelm II (1888-1941)
Wilhelm III (1941-1951)
Ludwig Ferdinand I (1951-1994)
Friedrich IV (1994-Now)

 

[Gigachad3k]

Democratic President Reagan

Richard Nixon (1969-1974)
Gerald Ford (1974-1981)
Ronald Reagan (1981-1989)
Ted Kennedy (1989-1993)
Bob Dole (1993-2001)
Bill Clinton (2001-2009)
J. C. Watts (2009-2017)

 

[Beata Beatrix]

Democratic President Reagan

Richard Nixon (1969-1974)
Gerald Ford (1974-1977)
Ronald Reagan (1977-1985)
Ted Kennedy (1985-1989)
Bob Dole (1989-1993)
Bill Clinton (1993-2001)
Al Gore (2001-2009)
Barack Obama (2009-2017)

Could you provide some more details? As this stands, it's not very innovative or creative.

 

[Indigo]

Democratic President Reagan

Richard Nixon (1969-1974)
Gerald Ford (1974-1977)
Ronald Reagan (1977-1985)
Ted Kennedy (1985-1989)
Bob Dole (1989-1993)
Bill Clinton (1993-2001)
Al Gore (2001-2009)
Barack Obama (2009-2017)

Oh nice, a bunch of presidential nominees and Ted Kennedy.

 

[Cevolian]

Could you provide some more details? As this stands, it's not very innovative or creative.

Harsh, but sadly true...

 

[Oppo]

Democratic President Reagan

Richard Nixon (1969-1974)
Gerald Ford (1974-1977)
Ronald Reagan (1977-1985)
Ted Kennedy (1985-1989)
Bob Dole (1989-1993)
Bill Clinton (1993-2001)
Al Gore (2001-2009)
J. C. Watts (2009-2017)

It's amazing that Bill Clinton and Al Gore are still President and Vice President from 1993-2001 with a 1962 POD.

 

[Beata Beatrix]

Oh nice, a bunch of presidential nominees and Ted Kennedy.

Who was nearly a nominee.