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It will have to be someone other then me. My map making skills stink!
Well now that I think about it there is not a single territorial annexation, what gives I was expecting that Germany would at least take a small colony or two from France as prestige or something.
 
The death of Lenin deprived the Bolsheviks of a unifying force in their movement. While there would be “Red” uprisings throughout Russia in the years following none of them would enjoy much in the way of popular support. The threat of Bolshevism in Russia had effectively been de-fanged.
Does this mean the Mensheviks or SRs take the title of "leaders of the Russian Left"?
 
i know you plan a second big war for this TL, but with none of the slaughter of 1915 - 1918 on the Western Front, no Versailles-like peace treaty and Lenin dead you've already set up a 20th century that is far less blood soaked than OTL. Hitler will go back home to resume his life as a poor nonentity selling third rate art on street corners and Himmler wil remain a chicken farmer. No Auschwitz, no GULAG. Sounds like a pretty good world to live in. So far I've really enjoyed it. Excellent writing.
 
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i know you plan a second big war for this TL, but with none of the slaughter of 1915 - 1918 on the Western Front, no Versailles-like peace treaty and Lenin dead you've already set up a 20th century that is far less blood soaked than OTL. Hitler will go back home to resume his life as a poor nonentity selling third rate art on street corners and Himmler wil remain a chicken farmer. No Auschwitz, no GULAG. Sounds like a pretty good world to live in.
All of this is going to make wars far more politically acceptable in the future..... until they turn into bloody mudslogs.
Definitely, this was the ideal 'short, victorious war' that every nation hopes for, and Germany has (compared to the victors OTL) paid very little for it. As such, the concept of aggressive, decisive war for political gain is just as strong, if not stronger than before, and there's been nothing to dramatically shift the balance of power in Europe. The same alliance structures and the same economic, cultural, and political forces which lead to war here are still in place; all this war has done so far is set up for another one as soon as conditions allow.

Moreover (and apologies if this has been covered upthread, I admit I've only skimmed a lot of the between-posts discussion), the next war will be just as brutal as OTL WWI, because the conditions that led to trench warfare haven't changed, and the technological and tactical innovations which rendered it obsolete it only came about in reaction to it. Germany got lucky here, and the nightmare of the trenches hasn't been avoided. It's only been postponed.
 
i know you plan a second big war for this TL, but with none of the slaughter of 1915 - 1918 on the Western Front, no Versailles-like peace treaty and Lenin dead you've already set up a 20th century that is far less blood soaked than OTL. Hitler will go back home to resume his life as a poor nonentity selling third rate art on street corners and Himmler wil remain a chicken farmer. No Auschwitz, no GULAG. Sounds like a pretty good world to live in. So far I've really enjoyed it. Excellent writing.
Actually, Hitler probably would’ve stayed in the army. Dude felt that the brotherhood of the army was everything to him (this is before he fell in love with national socialism).
 
Yes that's probably true about Hitler, but I just I just love the image of AH living in chilly flophouses and going hungry.
 
i know you plan a second big war for this TL, but with none of the slaughter of 1915 - 1918 on the Western Front, no Versailles-like peace treaty and Lenin dead you've already set up a 20th century that is far less blood soaked than OTL. Hitler will go back home to resume his life as a poor nonentity selling third rate art on street corners and Himmler wil remain a chicken farmer. No Auschwitz, no GULAG. Sounds like a pretty good world to live in. So far I've really enjoyed it. Excellent writing.
So the only major dictator left would be Mao, though he would likely die either from the Nationalists or Japanese since the USSR doesn't exist to send equipment and support, also nationalist china will be weaker since they also receive support from the USSR IRL.
 

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Adolf would be a nonentity. And with large parts of France occupied until 1935 even if it would be so stupid to go for a next round it will not be before 1940 and that means tanks and planes will be there. The development will be slowed but not that much.
 
somewhat embarassingly for Germany, A-H was the only country in the CP before ww1 which had a prototype tank in design along with the British, French and Russians. The war put that project into hold, and never came into fruition otl. Without tanks being used in this war, it will be the pre-war engineers of British, Russian, French and Austro-Hungarian firms which will be leading the tank development and not Germany ittl. Germany before 1916 otl did not give the theory of a tank much credence, and only gave it thought after its effects used by the British were seen. Don't let otl 1930s cloud your views on military development. With the pre-war situation mostly intact in terms of designs, it will be Britain, France, Russia and austria-Hungary leading the tank development in this theoretical interwar era.
 

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So the only major dictator left would be Mao, though he would likely die either from the Nationalists or Japanese since the USSR doesn't exist to send equipment and support, also nationalist china will be weaker since they also receive support from the USSR IRL.
Would this world (outside of china, that is) even know of Mao? Or would he be a little-known figure in Hunan political history that led a Marxist faction until it was crushed by the KMT sometime in the 20s?
 
Hmm. Germany has little reason to like the Japanese at this point. Likewise the Russian Empire. I could see both engaging in financial and logistical support of the KMT possibly in exchange for future trade concessions
 
Chapter 43: The Black Hand

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Chapter 43: The Black Hand

The assassination of Archduke Ferdinand had been orchestrated by the Serbian nationalist terrorist group known as “The Black Hand.” Under the leadership of Col. Dragutin Dimitrijevic the organization had built up cells in Bosnia, Macedonia and throughout Serbia.

Col. Dimitrijevic was none too pleased with the outcome of the war. Instead of Serbia being able to assert herself on the world stage and liberate Macedonia and other areas of the Austro-Hungarian Empire where Serbs dominated now Serbia faced a humiliating peace. They were still independent – but it seemed to Dimitrijevic Serbia was independent in name only.

Serbia had to ensure that all groups hostile to Austria-Hungary would be eliminated and all those responsible for the death of Archduke Ferdinand were to be speedily rounded up and dealt with. Several members of the Black Hand had been arrested, tried and executed by the end of 1915 (the total number was 55). The Colonel however and others of the organization had managed to “go underground” and hide aided by sympathetic Serbian nationalists.

What Dimitrijevic found even more insulting was that Austro-Hungarian magistrates were required by the terms of the July Ultimatum to sit on courts judging the Serbs accused of terrorism. The very idea that Austro-Hungary had any say in Serbian matters only hardened Dimitrijevic’s determination to see the Empire punished for their crimes against the Serbian people.

Dimitrijevic began to look around through the various agents in his cells for others who might have a similar hatred of the Empire. And he soon found them. Nationalist groups in Hungary, in Macedonia, and throughout the Austro-Hungarian Empire who increasingly resented the tottering Hapsburg dynasty.

From 1916 until 1920 Dimitrijevic would try to knit these groups into a larger pan-Slavic movement meant to topple the Hapsburgs and bring true independence to Serbia and to the other nationalist groups in the Empire.

But many of the Slavic minorities remained loyal to the Hapsburgs.

Despite this the Black Hand would be a major player in Balkan affairs for years to come. And would play a role in what was to happen next.
 
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