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Camp Myles Standish established earlier?


What's this new ship? Asama?
Yes, earlier mobilization means the US has some earlier infrastructure to mobilize from. So Camp Miles Standish was opened about 15 months earlier. It is still very rough and not the embarkation point that it would later become but it is sufficient to bed down an infantry regiment that had no division to connect to.

Asama is an improved Mogami. I first mentioned her in Threadmark 0014 https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/keynes-cruisers.388788/page-2#post-12720031

The Japanese saw the USN build-up and this was their response.
 
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June 13, 1941 100 Rifle Division, Soviet Union

Reservists were trying to be soldiers. They had been mobilized weeks before and the division had been ordered to leave its assembly point and enter the field well before the entire unit had a chance to shake down and work together. Infantry men had their rifles, ammunition and enough black bread to give a brown bear constipation while the artillery park was still short of range finding equipment and entrenching tools. It did not matter, the division was on the move to link up with its sister division and allow Stavka to put another army onto its board.

Troop trains were still heading west as other divisions were mobilizing and deploying into the field. They were muddling through with the hope that this would be a false alarm and that the men could be released in time for the harvest.
 
Yes, earlier mobilization means the US has some earlier infrastructure to mobilize from. So Camp Miles Standish was opened about 15 months earlier. It is still very rough and not the embarkation point that it would later become but it is sufficient to bed down an infantry regiment that had no division to connect to.

Asama is an improved Mogami. I first mentioned her in Threadmark 0014 https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/keynes-cruisers.388788/page-2#post-12720031

The Japanese saw the USN build-up and this was their response.
Single ship one off or lead ship of a class?
 
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June 14, 1941 Over Brest

This was a dangerous daylight raid for Bomber Command. Three dozen long range Spitfires were flying a free wheeling hunt in front of the bombers while another four squadrons held tight to the lumbering attackers. Squadron Leader Charles Fleming cinched his mask tighter and held onto the controls of his Hampden. Two squadrons of Hampdens were following him. Eleven squadrons of Wellingtons and a single squadron of American built and Canadian manned Fortresses were also attacking the French port.

Thirty one miles from the target, he curved his plane in a gentle bank after his navigator found the landmark marking the last dog leg into the attack. Everyone behind him followed as gunners traced anxious pathways through the skies. There had to be fighters. They were attacking one of the prime targets in occupied France and every other raid with decent light had provoked fighter opposition. The raid was as much a raid against the docks and the commerce raiders as an attempt to ambush the Luftwaffe fighter arm.

Eleven miles from the target the bombers started to settle and then all hell broke loose. Forty Messerschmidts dove into the right flank of the bomber stream. They had been curling around the fighter sweep in front of the raid until they were 5,000 feet above the bombers and besides the close escort fighters. The first pass lead to six kills with only one fighter joining the British bombers. Some of the bomber crews started to jink and juke just as anti-aircraft fire from the heavy batteries protecting the Twins and the dry dock began to explode. The higher flying Boeings were being targeted by the fixed flak positions.

The bombers bore in even as smoke pots were being lit all over the harbor district. The ships’ own anti-aircraft guns were reaching up at them. Fleming’s plane was getting closer to the release point even as he struggled to hold her steady after the end of the left wing was destroyed. The bomber leaped upwards and her speed increased as every bomb left the bomb bay. They fell towards the harbor with only a minuscule chance of causing damage. Enough bombers from enough bombers in a small enough area would lead to destruction.

The squadron leader would never know that his mission was successful. Half a dozen bombs landed on Scharnhorst and and another three detonated inside of Gneiussau. Neither ship would be in danger of sinking but they would be confined to port for months of repairs. He would never know as an anti-aircraft shell exploded two yards behind his cockpit.
 
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a single squadron of American Fortresses were also attacking the French port.

Am I reading this correctly? It sounds like US aircraft are engaged in direct attacks. Can I assume that these are American supplied planes being flown by RAF (or at least, notional RAF) personnel? On first reading, it felt like America was involved rather more directly than one might expect at this stage.
 
Am I reading this correctly? It sounds like US aircraft are engaged in direct attacks. Can I assume that these are American supplied planes being flown by RAF (or at least, notional RAF) personnel? On first reading, it felt like America was involved rather more directly than one might expect at this stage.
It is a squadron that the RAF bought --- let me tweak the sentence
 
It is a squadron that the RAF bought --- let me tweak the sentence
Bomber Command weren't keen on the Fortress, particularly this early version. Under armed, poorly protected and too light a bomb load for the size of aircraft. They were quite happy to fob them off on Coastal Command.
 
June 13, 1941 100 Rifle Division, Soviet Union

Reservists were trying to be soldiers. They had been mobilized weeks before and the division had been ordered to leave its assembly point and enter the field well before the entire unit had a chance to shake down and work together. Infantry men had their rifles, ammunition and enough black bread to give a brown bear constipation while the artillery park was still short of range finding equipment and entrenching tools. It did not matter, the division was on the move to link up with its sister division and allow Stavka to put another army onto its board.

Troop trains were still heading west as other divisions were mobilizing and deploying into the field. They were muddling through with the hope that this would be a false alarm and that the men could be released in time for the harvest.

Yeah, don't bet on it being a false alarm...
 
June 11, 1941 Kure Naval Arsenal

The admiral finished his speech. Asama, a revision on the same theme as the Mogami was ready to leave the shipyard for the first time. Her turrets were still not mounted but the engines had been installed and training could start. She would be ready to join the fleet, fully armed and trained by the spring of 1942.

"The good news is we have another carrier next spring. The bad news is that it will probably be sunk by the US Navy in a matter of months." :D
 
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June 15, 1941 Fort Stotsenburg the Philippines

Major General Jonathan Wainwright looked at the fifty eight hundred men of the 11th Division of the Republic of Philippines’ Army. These men had been called up two weeks earlier in a test mobilization of the Philippines Army. Theoretically, the 11th Division was supposed to be able to call on 7,500 men in three infantry regiments, an artillery regiment, a scout battalion, plus supporting elements of transportation, signals, administrative and medical units.

In reality, the 11th Division could muster two infantry regiments that were fully equipped to the light Filipino Army standard and a third regiment that was still a hollow shell.

The artillery regiment had a battalion of British mountain guns, and a short battalion of twelve 75mm guns. The artillery men were still getting used to the new 75mm guns that they had received only that month. There was a third artillery group consisting of 18 37mm anti-tank guns and 24 60mm mortars. This was an ad-hoc group with the intention of pushing the light support weapons forward to the infantry units when they were sufficiently well trained and supported.

The division had seventy five 5 ton trucks and another ninety 2 ½ ton trucks available. Most were commandeered from civilian usage and if it was a war, they would have been repainted green. The staff was still understrength, but the native officers had filled in most of the gaps in the organizational chart and were enthusiastic if undertrained.

As he walked through the ranks of the men who had shown up for the muster, he saw every rifleman with an Enfield rifle. Each platoon had at least one automatic weapon team. Some of those weapons were Lewis guns, others BARs that the Pacific Fleet found, and there were still an array of Chauchats that should have been melted down for scrap twenty years ago. The machine gun platoon of each battalion was at half strength with their new to them M1917 machine guns. The men were in uniforms of light green cotton shirts, green canvas pants and every man had a decent pair of boots. Not all men had steel helmets, and the style varied by battalion.

The men had enjoyed the past week as they were taken to the firing ranges. Each infantry weapon fired a full basic load. Or at least they attempted to fire a full day’s load for each man. The Chauhans were still the most temperamental gun ever invented, and the BAR men had trouble learning how to use their new, heavy, awkward weapons. The mortar men consistently were inconsistent as a string of 60 mm training shells would land in a tight cluster and then forty seconds later, the same tube and crew would send three shells 200 yards long. At least no one was seriously hurt, although several men were wounded.

General Wainwright suppressed a grimace as he knew the army was improving, but with the war clouds on the horizon, would it be good enough soon enough?
 
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June 15, 1941 Fort Stotsenburg the Philippines

The men had enjoyed the past week as they were taken to the firing ranges. Each infantry weapon fired a full basic load. Or at least they attempted to fire a full day’s load for each man. The Chauhans were still the most temperamental gun ever invented, and the BAR men had trouble learning how to use their new, heavy, awkward weapons. The mortar men consistently were inconsistent as a string of 60 mm training shells would land in a tight cluster and then forty seconds later, the same tube and crew would send three shells 200 yards long. At least no one was seriously hurt, although several men were wounded.

General Wainwright suppressed a grimace as he knew the army was improving, but with the war clouds on the horizon, would it be good enough soon enough?

Aren't they still well ahead of where they were OTL?

My understanding is that the Phillipines Army was at about this level of training when they were sent against the Japanese Army. That the big reason for the Japanese attacking in December was that defences were a few months from being ready - Wake for another example - and if they didn't go soon they would likely fail.

If the Japanese still wait till December 1941 to attack they will have a tougher fight on their hands. Of course if they are still as arrogant as they were OTL that won't stop them.
 
Aren't they still well ahead of where they were OTL?

My understanding is that the Phillipines Army was at about this level of training when they were sent against the Japanese Army. That the big reason for the Japanese attacking in December was that defences were a few months from being ready - Wake for another example - and if they didn't go soon they would likely fail.

If the Japanese still wait till December 1941 to attack they will have a tougher fight on their hands. Of course if they are still as arrogant as they were OTL that won't stop them.
Problem with this time frame, is the Japanese do not have all their carriers operational. There are still 2 fleet carriers working up. If they go early they lose the overwhelming strike force for the attack on Pearl, or they pull carriers from SE Aian operations.
 
Aren't they still well ahead of where they were OTL?

If the Japanese still wait till December 1941 to attack they will have a tougher fight on their hands. Of course if they are still as arrogant as they were OTL that won't stop them.

It is a single division on a test mobilization at about 70% authorized firepower. The other nine first wave divisions are in worse shape.

But yes, the Philippines have stronger defenses if they have time to mobilize and train.
 
Problem with this time frame, is the Japanese do not have all their carriers operational. There are still 2 fleet carriers working up. If they go early they lose the overwhelming strike force for the attack on Pearl, or they pull carriers from SE Aian operations.
The other issue is the Monsoon - the weather isn't good enough for the strike into the DEI and Malaya before December...
 
Its hard to come up with a Japanese plan that can go much earlier than OTL which does not look even less rational than OTL. Hardware is not ready, logistics are even worse or will is not there. The IJN wanted its carriers up to speed whilst the IJA feared a Russian intervention in China if it was occupied elsewhere. So no real prospect before the autumn for either service ( IJA would need foreknowledge of Barbarossa to go earlier, IJN either go with part trained crews on ships that were not fully worked up or attack with far less strength ). In all the US in TTL are far enough ahead of OTL that they will do better if the Japanese come early, the Brits/Dutch can not do much worse , so attacking December as OTL is actually Japan's best shot.
 
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