The France stuff looks cool I like the post weltkreig tree like the united kingdom
Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg
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This is the Ideal Path for America!So, a the new "Home of the Brave" path has been leaked, basically if you elect the progressive George Norris, it seems that after his therm you can elect by the progressive party Long and Reed on a coalition
This is THE blessed ending!
A hardcore revolutionary and a wannabe-dictator doesn't feel like the ideal path for America?
I love it because frankly, the idea of a diehard socialist and a left-Trump like Huey trying to make a new country together is inherently amusing in the same way as a dramatic car crash in an action movie is.
So, a the new "Home of the Brave" path has been leaked, basically if you elect the progressive George Norris, it seems that after his therm you can elect by the progressive party Long and Reed on a coalition
This is THE blessed ending!
History class would be fun.
Here's an idea I had for a Kaiserreich/Red Flood-inspired setting in a world where there was no Great War at all. Continuing the trend in both games of featuring obscure and unlikely ideologies the big three expansionist ideologies would be Georgism in the liberal nations, Nihilist anarchism in the former Russian Empire and expansionist Esperantism that first gets a foothold in Austria-Hungary before making a jump to the colonial empires of the other Great Powers.
Some Damn Thing in the Balkans: Danuba Finvenkismo
Inspired by the flag and party system I made for my Georgist China concept I decided to dust off another old idea of mine: if Kaiserreich is a timeline where the Entente loses the Great War and Red Flood is a timeline where Germany loses the Weltkrieg, I was wondering what a timeline would look like where the World War I was never fought at all, but tensions are rising by the mid-thirties as in both of those games. In the vein of both games I wanted to use it as an exercise to dust off some exotic prewar ideologies that never took off in the twentieth century, namely Georgism adopted by progressive reformers in the US and UK, Nihilism spreading out of the fracturing Russian Empire, and in this specific example political Esperantism in the former Austria-Hungary.
The major POD is that the attempt to assassinate Franz Ferdinand ends in failure, butterflying away World War I. Though saber rattling continues through the Tense Twenties, there is no similar inciting incident in the aftermath and the Archduke, though shaken by the attempt on his life, doubles down on his plans to reform the Empire to avoid the coming fractures along ethnic lines. The reforms fell into two categories OTL, the 1906 "Greater Austria" plan to federalize the nation into a collection of distinct ethnic states and the 1910 "trialism" plan to create a Croatian monarchy equal to those of Austria and Hungary, and Franz Ferdinand supported both proposals, hence the red/green/blue of the bottom stripe (representing Austria, Hungary and Croatia respectively, with the red top stripe common between all the subnational flags.
This adoption of the trialist model was merely the start of the Archduke's reforms as he attempted to push through the federalization of the Empire, provoking the ire of Hungary who stood to lose the most authority in the plan, as it stood in direct contrast with their attempts at Magyarization. In the aftermath of the Tense Twenties world attention was firmly on the former Russian Empire as it was dramatically shattered by the resurgence of the anarchist Nihilist movement. With the German Empire bogged down in the east and the Archduke now Emperor, the Hungarians decided to take the opportunity to strike out on their own, inaugurating the Austrian Civil War. Although the conflict would see Black Guard anarchists and ethnic nationalists attempt to pull away from the nation, the government would find support from citizens afraid of the realities of true ethnic separatism and committed to the effort at reform.
Of all the groups in support of the Austrian government, the most influential would be Esperantists who had looked at the Tense Twenties and seen a continent on the slow build up to war. With a complex intermixing of national and ethnic identities and an Emperor truly committed to balancing these groups it seemed the perfect opportunity to inaugurate the first stages of Finvenkismo, the final victory of Esperanto as an internationalist language. Although Esperanto was at its core a pacifist and antinationalist movement, it had taken a more militant tenor in the wake of Zamenhof's death and the resurging wild nationalism and ethnic strife that followed the collapse of the Tsarist yoke. Federal victory over the disorganized Nationalist and Nihilist factions would see the imposition of the Greater Austrian patchwork of states and ethnic enclaves, and the invaluable support of the Finvenkismists would pay off with the adoption of the language as the official administrative language of the reorganized Federal Empire of Danubia.
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How would nihilist anarchism actually work when it came time to running the nations they just took over?
There was quite a spectrum in the OTL Nihilist movement, so that sort of depends on where you are, which explains how the collapse of Russia has become such a cluster. Depending on who the leader of the local Black Guards is you could get anything from libertarian socialism to iron-fisted vanguard militarism. And of course there are the ethnic nationalists using the chaos of the collapse to strike out on their own, so in a hypothetical game it would be an incredibly dynamic area of the map.
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I thought the ideal path was Huey Long retreating to Paraguay, taking over South America, and using it as a base to retake the US?
Not... exactly, the Nihilist focus on tearing down every preexisting power structure and social norm sets it apart from more conventional socialism and creates a broader set of possible outcomes, some of which would be quite pleasant from a socialist point of view but others of which would be lawless strong man hellholes.
Here's a sequel to my Danubia post, with a flag for the International Union, a transnational Georgist organization founded by Georgist parties in the US, UK, China and Japan. The lore attached isn't really about the organization as such, just about how Roosevelt's third term TTL created a situation where the IU could exist. Political colors are a bit scrambled in this scenario, with yellow representing liberalism in the US/UK but Georgism in China/Japan and socialism in France. Green meanwhile represents either western Georgism or Finvenkism depending on the shade. At least the Nihilists stick with predictable black though 
Some Damn Thing in the Balkans: Free Land, Free Trade, Free Men!
Have a flag for international Georgism! It's pretty straightforward, with Georgist green serving as the middle ground between liberal yellow and socialist red. A cat is a common metaphor in the ideology and is made up of a stylized S, T and M, to represent the Single Tax Movement. In a world with no Great War, efforts to create an international forum for settling disputes flounder for decades and as the Tense Twenties ratchet up international strife transnational partisan organizations fill some of the void, from the increasingly Finvenkist Universal Esperanto Association to the disorganized Black Guards* to the floundering Second International. With the expansion of international Nihilism eating into the support for socialism among the deprived classes in more repressive nations, the remains of the socialist parties in the rest of the world have found themselves forced into a marriage of convenience with the liberal parties under the umbrella of the International Union, also known as the Green International. Founded in 1925 by representatives of the American and Chinese Nationalist** parties and and Liberal parties of Japan*** and the United Kingdom, the path to the creation of the International began over a decade earlier with Teddy Roosevelt's third turn in the White House.
Unsatisfied with his hand-picked successor and unsuccessful at getting the Republican nomination, Roosevelt was able to use his personal charisma to forge the new Nationalist party and ride it to victory in 1912, giving the nation its first third-party president. With his party calling to mind the defunct Nationalist Clubs and his own New Nationalism platform, without a European war Roosevelt was able to spend his political capital domestically to pursue his anti-trust and conservation priorities, with the party's turn to Georgism luring away Populist partisans in the Democratic Party eager for land reform. The party would survive his death, often collaborating with a Socialist Party never bled dry by the Great War but not strong enough to become the dominant partner in the alliance. With a smaller boom throughout the Tense Twenties brought about by a consistent policy ofneutralityselling to everyone, the country still experiences an economic shock born out of the ripples of the Russian collapse, with President Seabury offering citizen's dividends as part of his proposed reforms, to the consternation of the conservative old guard in command of the Republican and Democratic parties.
*The Black Guards won't get a post because the Nihilist flags are just a collection of black rectangles of different dimensions with occasional skulls slapped on. The Germans bogged down in Eastern Europe find it all incredibly irritating.
**This TL would feature an alternate version of the China from my earlier Yellow Peril concept, with the country on the more extreme end of world Georgism but still firmly connected with the other three major Georgist nations.
***With their victory in the Russo-Japanese war intact but no humiliation at Versailles the Japanese Empire has a much stronger civilian government, though the military is still a powerful institution in the country. Being allied with the Chinese has been beneficial to both nations, with Japanese expansion aimed firmly at the French and German possessions in Southeast Asia instead.
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Thinking about the weird and inconsistent use of political colors in my scenario inspired a quick flag about a yellow socialist France.
Some Damn Thing in the Balkans: Les Gilets Jaunes
Here's a special bonus flag that occurred to me while I was typing up the lore for the last one. In the scenario I've presented with socialism subservient to either Nihilism or Georgism depending on where in the world you are, I thought it would be amusing to have a single orthodox socialist country. I decided to lean harder into the "unorthodox ideology" angle and the absolute hash of political colors in this scenario and behold! A yellow socialist French Commune! Without a Great War victory revanchism continued to grow in the ranks of the military and the halls of government, with the Tense Twenties marked by a persistent international fear of a war between Germany and France. Although the situation would continue to simmer uneasily the ultimate blow to the regime would come about as a result of the "Cold Snap", the economic shock of the Russian collapse. With revolutionary Marxism discredited by a poor early showing in the face of the Black Guards and a French populace in fear of similar groups operating in the Metropole a path to power was suddenly clear for the French Worker's Party, which had been quietly overtaken by yellow socialists in the wake of movement founder Pierre Biétry's death. With a corporatist structure bringing patriotic labor unions and nationalist businesses together for the good of the French state and citizenry, the Commune of France uses a modified version of the flag of the Second French Republic.
Since I can't let liberals and weird socialists have all the fun here's a party flag to give a hint to the wider world of right wing politics in this scenario. Barring some blinding idea this is the last one in the series 🤔 It's not some shade of green or yellow I promise!
Some Damn Thing in the Balkans: Kulturkampf
Here's what will probably be my last flag in this series barring some sort of sudden flash of inspiration lol. I was turning over in my head what sort of interesting evolution to bog standard imperial conservatism I could use in this scenario, and I thought it would be interesting to do a combination of Social Credit and the Arts and Crafts movement, given that those two currents ended up blending in OTL. The only rub is that C.H. Douglas developed it as a direct result of World War I and it was always more popular in the Anglosphere. I've given it some thought and I think I can make it work, hence this flag. I used orange and black as traditional colors of Christian Democracy, included the two K's as a nod to the British Social Credit Party and added a retouched cornflower symbol lifted from a conservative Estonian political party, since the cornflower was a historic symbol of Germany in the nineteenth century. The central triangle shape is meant to suggest the modern logo of the German Center Party, and with the K's suggests that the party is both "center" and also on a firm foundation.
In the decades leading up to the Tense Twenties Zentrum had made it their mission to pivot in the new century from a Catholic identity party to one more appealing to the German populace regardless of denomination or level of devotion. As part of this strategy, the party had become increasingly vocal in defense of the nation and its military, cheering their preparedness in the face of French provocations. And then came the Cold Snap- with France spiraling into yellow socialism the nation had to turn its gaze to the charnel house formerly known as the Russian Empire. An ancient nation cast down and shattered right on their border, it was any military planner's nightmare. The early involvement of the Marxists in the struggle saw Zentrum denouncing similar provocateurs in the homeland, but what would follow would be worse, if that was even possible. After the Nihilists joined the fray, toppling the red socialists, the Imperial German Army would find itself deployed in the east. But it would not be alone.
While the United Kingdom had no love lost with the German Empire, they could fully appreciate the danger of a black wave of Nihilism escaping the former Rodina, especially with German-allied Austria in the midst of its own civil war, allowing "civilian volunteers" flying "retired aircraft" to provide additional air support to the Heer. These volunteers would socialize with their German counterparts in off hours, and a natural rapport and flow of ideas would develop, the most influential of which would be C.H. Douglas's Social Credit theory. Built on earlier research conducted on businesses in France and Britain during the Tense Twenties, for a variety of reasons Douglas would find his ideas confined to the margins at home, from legitimate critiques of his math to a faddish embrace of Georgism as the path to economic reform in the Britain. His Social Credit theory would find new life after his works were translated into German, with its success there ironically putting its star on the rise elsewhere as well.
With his emphasis on culture as a factor of production, it seemed a natural fit for Zentrum to take to his ideas, with the party swelling in the wake of the Nihilist anti-religious terror to the east and growing distress among the people as the economy began to turn. With Sozialkredit the party had an economic answer to meet the moment, one that did not mean sacrificing the nation's heritage on the altar of whatever color of socialism or form of green-tinged internationalism might be brewing. The focus on authentically Germanic culture would see the Arts and Crafts romantics take up the banner, giving the nation a perfect harmony between form and function moving forward into the uncertain world as Zentrum found itself in the majority for the first time.
Crazymachines
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Because german indochina makes absolutely no sense,
here's one possible redo of the region:
here's one possible redo of the region:
