How could Christianity be kept as powerful as Islam is to this day?

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by King Thomas, Nov 11, 2017.

  1. Musadutoe Well-Known Member

    Aug 10, 2015
    Combine the above with an enlightened RCC controlling spiritual and intellectual education. If the RCC had maintained the education of future clergy, royalty, merchants, soldiers and statesmen; then the message would be unified.

    The other element would be for the RCC to allow parish / village clergy to marry and have families like many of the Asia Minor Churches allow.
  2. funnyhat Well-Known Member

    May 27, 2013
    Some in the Middle East are Christian OTL, but Westerners don't seem to look to them for inspiration.
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  3. Mikestone8 Well-Known Member

    Mar 13, 2010
    Peterborough, UK.

    Not enough of them. Had their version of Christianity conquered Arabia and spread as wide as Islam has OTL, they'd be respected all right.
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  4. H.Flashman(VC) Well-Known Member

    Nov 24, 2016
    Vijfherenlanden, Netherlands
    Islam powerfull?? Some islamic people desperately tries too make it look like that, but is in an even worse crisis than Christianity.
  5. Beausoleil Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2014
    Make Saint Thomas Aquinas's texts better known and received. Have him live another fifteen years to finish his commentary on the Politics of Aristotle and defend his metaphysical ideas to the University of Paris, avoiding the condemnation of 1277, such that Aristotelian Thomistic realism flourishes in the 14th and 15th centuries and nominalism and neo-Platonism do not.

    The entirety of the nominalism, absolutism, Protestantism, Cartesian dualism, the Enlightenment, and similar controversies would be avoided. Meanwhile, scientific inquiry and fuel-powered manufacturing would not be meaningfully impeded. We would have an entirely different historical trajectory without any of the tropes with which we are familiar for Western history but likely with most of the same technological discoveries.

    It would be a great timeline, but it's a lot of work (more than I have time for, before anyone suggests such).
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  6. funnyhat Well-Known Member

    May 27, 2013
    Before the Islamic conquest, Christianity was the main religion of the Middle East, other than Arabia and Persia. But the centers of the faith were still Rome and Constantinople.
  7. wtw Well-Known Member

    Jul 16, 2010
    See the current state in the freshly converted regions of the world the Americas, Africa and parts off the Asia-Pacific they are having witch burnings
  8. raharris1973 Well-Known Member

    Jan 28, 2004
    Not sure how this affects much beyond England and its dependencies. These are an important part of Christian civilization, but not the be-all/end-all of Protestantism.

    Actually, the thing about the pre-Islam Middle East is that it had *so many* centers of the faith. Rome and Constantinople were just the only patriarchates left standing under Christian temporal power after the initial Muslim expansion. The other three out of five patriarchates, Antioch, Jerusalem and Alexandria, were overrun by the Muslims and been under Muslim temporal power with only temporary exceptions.

    I don't think that preserving Catholic monopoly is a direct way to have Christianity be more similar to Islam. To some extent, Islam was *born* more similar to Protestantism than Catholicism. Islam had no priests and fragmented into many sects early in its history.
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