Had Alternate Succession Laws been in place

[RedKing]

So this thread was sprung from an idea I had. What if I applied Absolute Primogeniture to King Henry II of England's succession. Well if I have done it correctly (there could very well be errors), this guy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Magnus_VI,_Count_of_Solms-Wildenfels, would be King of England via Henry's daughter Margaret. So this is a thread where you can apply any succession law to a King and find out who would be king! Since this is alternate succession I guess this goes here. You could also include stuff like, if bastards were equally legitimate as children born during a marriage, if X Prince was disinherited.

EDIT: You can also do other people than Kings, such as Dukes, counts etc, since there is only a finite amount of Kings.

 

[Zygmunt Stary]

So this thread was sprung from an idea I had. What if I applied Absolute Primogeniture to King Henry II of England's succession. Well if I have done it correctly (there could very well be errors), this guy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Magnus_VI,_Count_of_Solms-Wildenfels, would be King of England via Henry's daughter Margaret. So this is a thread where you can apply any succession law to a King and find out who would be king! Since this is alternate succession I guess this goes here. You could also include stuff like, if bastards were equally legitimate as children born during a marriage, if X Prince was disinherited.

Had Charles Somerset not been a bastard, a king of England today would be His Majesty, Henry, 16th of that name.

 

[Jan Olbracht]

With male preffered primogeniture applied to restored Kingdom of Poland after 14th century reunification then line of succession goes from Casimir the Great through his eldest daughter and then her daughter to his great-grandson Sigismund of Luxembourg, then through Sigismund's daughterElizabet and oldest granddaughter Anna goes to Anna's oldest daughter Margaret of Thuringia, who married John Cicero, Elector of Brandenburg. From that point claim to the Polish throne remains in House of Hohenzollern all the way to current pretender to German/Prussian throne.

If the same method was applied to descendant of Władysław II Jagiełło then heir of Polish crown would be this guy:

Prince Pedro, Duke of Calabria - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[RedKing]

Had Charles Somerset not been a bastard, a king of England today would be His Majesty, Henry, 16th of that name.

Well that is assuming Somerset also won the Wars of the Roses, kind of cool a legitimised branch of the Lancastrians are still around (So did the Lancastrians who technically survived win the Wars of the Roses after all?). Also finally what we all need, more King Henrys!

 

[RedKing]

With male preffered primogeniture applied to restored Kingdom of Poland after 14th century reunification then line of succession goes from Casimir the Great through his eldest daughter and then her daughter to his great-grandson Sigismund of Luxembourg, then through Sigismund's daughterElizabet and oldest granddaughter Anna goes to Anna's oldest daughter Margaret of Thuringia, who married John Cicero, Elector of Brandenburg. From that point claim to the Polish throne remains in House of Hohenzollern all the way to current pretender to German/Prussian throne.

If the same method was applied to descendant of Władysław II Jagiełło then heir of Polish crown would be this guy:

Prince Pedro, Duke of Calabria - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So the Bourbon would get Spain and Poland (if it stayed a monarchy) based off the latter alt succession, but still can't get France, kind of amusing actually.

 

[RedKing]

Did some digging and if we apply absolute primogeniture to Spanish succession after Charles V, one of Franz, Duke of Bavaria's (the current Jacobite claimant) sisters (who has no Wikipedia page but those seem to be alive), Princess Gabrielle would be Queen of Spain.

 

[Zygmunt Stary]

If the same method was applied to descendant of Władysław II Jagiełło then heir of Polish crown would be this guy:

Wouldn't be the current head of Austrian royal family?

 

[Jan Olbracht]

Wouldn't be the current head of Austrian royal family?

No. HRE Max II had only one surviving legitimate grandson-Philip III of Spain, whose son was Philip IV, whose onldest surviving daughter was Maria Theresa, Queen of France.

 

[Zygmunt Stary]

No. HRE Max II had only one surviving legitimate grandson-Philip III of Spain, whose son was Philip IV, whose onldest surviving daughter was Maria Theresa, Queen of France.

Yeah, it's seems you're right, so let's inform Grzegorz Braun maybe he'd back him as Piotr I, rightful Z Bożej łaski król Polski, wielki książę litewski, ruski, pruski, mazowiecki, żmudzki, inflancki, smoleński, siewierski i czernihowski

 

[Jan Olbracht]

Yeah, it's seems you're right, so let's inform Grzegorz Braun maybe he'd back him as Piotr I, rightful Z Bożej łaski król Polski, wielki książę litewski, ruski, pruski, mazowiecki, żmudzki, inflancki, smoleński, siewierski i czernihowski

So Braun backs Habsburgs???

 

[Zygmunt Stary]

So Braun backs Habsburgs???

Idk who he backs, but this was more of a irony on my part bc mentioning Poland made me think about futility of monarchism in this country with no credible pretenders

 

[VVD0D95]

Idk who he backs, but this was more of a irony on my part bc mentioning Poland made me think about futility of monarchism in this country with no credible pretenders

Didn’t the saxon heir get named as a possible candidate?

 

[Jan Olbracht]

Didn’t the saxon heir get named as a possible candidate?

According to Third May Constitution Frederick Augustus of Saxony (1750-1827) and his descendants should inherit Polish throne, but Frederick Augustus had only one daughter, who died unmarried and childless. Brothers of Frederick Augustus and their descendants were not mentioned in Constitution.

 

[Zygmunt Stary]

Didn’t the saxon heir get named as a possible candidate?

Ehhh.....there are two possible Saxon heirs but neither of them has a good claim, bc:
a) Poland was elective monarchy
b) Polish monarchy ended in 1795
c) even in attempt to introduce hereditary monarchy, the rights were bestowed upon daughter of Frederick Augustus IV of Saxony, Maria Augusta who died.....childless and unmarried
Compared to that, even Tudor's claim to England looks rock solid.

 

[VVD0D95]

According to Third May Constitution Frederick Augustus of Saxony (1750-1827) and his descendants should inherit Polish throne, but Frederick Augustus had only one daughter, who died unmarried and childless. Brothers of Frederick Augustus and their descendants were not mentioned in Constitution.

Ehhh.....there are two possible Saxon heirs but neither of them has a good claim, bc:
a) Poland was elective monarchy
b) Polish monarchy ended in 1795
c) even in attempt to introduce hereditary monarchy, the rights were bestowed upon daughter of Frederick Augustus IV of Saxony, Maria Augusta who died.....childless and unmarried
Compared to that, even Tudor's claim to England looks rock solid.

Ah I see the polish politicians of the 20s clearly didn’t know tvat

 

[Zygmunt Stary]

Ah I see the polish politicians of the 20s clearly didn’t know tvat

They did, that's why monarchists were fringe faction.

 

[VVD0D95]

They did, that's why monarchists were fringe faction.

Politicians knowing stuff? Now tbay is a surprise

 

[Zygmunt Stary]

Politicians knowing stuff? Now tbay is a surprise

Most of them were forced to know this, considering they were born and lived under foreign occupation

 

[VVD0D95]

Most of them were forced to know this, considering they were born and lived under foreign occupation

Indeed

 

[RedKing]

Applied absolute primogeniture to England starting with Queen Mary I’s reign. This person would be Queen based off that https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margherita,_Archduchess_of_Austria-Este