Geopolitical effects of a decisive UN victory in the Korean War

So, handwave an ATL into a UN victory in the Korean War. Maybe Mao chooses not to intervene, what have you.
Korea is unified under a western-aligned regime. What are the overall effects on world politics?
Would the UN's Security Council be strengthened in power?
Would the Sino-Soviet Split be delayed?
What happens to Southeast Asia? What are the effects on the First Indochina War?
Will there be any proper effects on Europe?
Any more ideas?
 
I go for the nuclear option. Eisenhower decides to bluff Mao and Stalin, and nukes the key cities in Manchuria to sever the railway connecting China and Korea. Stalin no matter what they say is a cautious individual, and he knows his nuclear arsenal at this time is insufficient to retaliate against the US. He won't risk Leningrad or Moscow getting reduced to ash for Mao and Kim.

Soviet support is withdrawn. Eisenhower reinforces US forces in Korea, with Chinese and NK forces being pressed hard with logistics from China crippled. Mao digs in his heels, despite threats of additional US strikes. The US strikes again, using nukes in a tactical role, and allowing UN forces to drive the Communists back to the Yalu. Mao still refuses to give up, and Eisenhower orders more nuke strike: cities in China proper, and Chinese forces massed in Manchuria to strike into Korea. With his position under threat, Mao finally gives way, and acknowledges defeat.

Korea is united under a democratic government, in a great victory for the Free World. Mao tries to blame defeat on others, launching a bloody and pointless purge of the army and party. The withdrawal of Soviet support, and their nuclear umbrella in particular, leads to an early Sino-Soviet split. The antagonism worsens as Stalin dies and Khrushchev takes over, possibly culminating in a war in the 60s which ends with a Soviet victory, with Manchuria being demilitarized, Inner Mongolia ceded to Soviet Mongolia, and Xinjiang broken off either as a Soviet satellite or annexed by the Soviets as an Uyghur SSR. The PRC rapidly crumbles from the inside out, with the Chinese Civil War breaking out again at some point in the 70s and ending with an RoC victory.

Globally speaking, the use of nuclear weapons will be normalized by this, possibly seeing American use of nukes in Vietnam and elsewhere. The Soviets might also use nukes during their predicted war with China. Nuclear proliferation will be a relative non-issue; academics will scream and shot, but politicians will ignore them, as nuclear weapons will be considered as just another weapon in any nation's arsenal. The Soviets will also step up their development of reliable delivery system, which may have an effect on the Space Race. Likewise, Soviet victory against the Chinese may also mean Khrushchev holds power for longer, possibly butterflying the rise of Brezhnev.
 
I go for the nuclear option. Eisenhower decides to bluff Mao and Stalin, and nukes the key cities in Manchuria to sever the railway connecting China and Korea. Stalin no matter what they say is a cautious individual, and he knows his nuclear arsenal at this time is insufficient to retaliate against the US. He won't risk Leningrad or Moscow getting reduced to ash for Mao and Kim.
I don't think the general public in Europe would be very happy about it. Anti Americanism would be bigger.
Korea is united under a democratic government,
Why would Korea be a democracy? You realize South Korea was a dictatorship until the 80s.
 
I don't think the general public in Europe would be very happy about it. Anti Americanism would be bigger.

The public might not like it, but their leaders will have no choice but stay on side if they're going to hold the Soviets off.

Why would Korea be a democracy? You realize South Korea was a dictatorship until the 80s.

On paper at least it would be a democracy, which is still a whole lot better than what Kim and his ilk would have made of Korea.
 
If no nukes than the drive is to the border and hold. Terms are simple. North Korea is done, China to back off.

The US would ramp up in Taiwan.. Doubtful you get the nixo. Goes to China..

Cuba, bay of pigs would be different.
Stop communism.
Vietnam? The Vietnamese didn't like China, soviets might try to support, but I think reality at this point would be revolutions being a no no. Negotiated French withdrawl the likely outcome.

Nukes would be bad, even the US didn't want to set that precedent of normalization.

A blatant victory in Korea would exacerbate the soviet sin split until Stalin dies. May continue and or may not too tough to call,

Prague, Budapest, Polish discontent could be stronger and the west's reaction might be even sterner. The soviet union and China are still recovering from ww2 at this point.
 
Since we're right in the midst of Stalin's death, it's very important when the war ends. If the end of the war is a successful UN offensive in 1950, Stalin's still alive when it's all over. Since that's the simplest scenario, let's explore that one.

First off, if it's over that quickly it's probably seen as another chapter in the "setting of the board" as it were, rather than the first major test of the limited war doctrine. Any loss of prestige Stalin does experience really won't affect his lock on power.

Similarly, China's lack of intervention wouldn't signal weakness so much as a continuation of the status quo. China won't have arrived on the scene as a regional power, it will have continued to be what it was before: a nascent power, soon to take its place.

An earlier Sino-Soviet split does seem possible. Considering Stalin wanted the Korean War to make up for the lost treaty ports he just gave up to China, he'd be pretty pissed if they lost the war and China didn't even bother to intervene. But what would he be willing to do to China? What could he do? What did he do to Tito? That's what he does to China, right?

Speaking of, a more proactive Chinese participation in the Non-Aligned Movement is another likely possibility. And if China does join the NAM, their support for the Viet Minh is probably affected. In the most extreme scenario you could have a proxy Sino-Soviet war where different factions in North Vietnam fight each other. Less extreme, you might find one side purging the other, or at minimum a factional cabal of rulers paying heed to different masters.

With a lot of luck, the US can find a better horse to back than Diem. With like ALL of the luck, in a world where the Soviets are mad at China, have lost in Korea, and thus decide they're just totally over Asia, you can peacefully reuinify the country. But considering how poorly the US understood Vietnam IOTL, there are plenty of paths where the war rages as per OTL as long as China or Russia are still lending a hand.

One possible consequence of a loss in Greece followed by a loss in Korea is that perhaps Soviet power projection looks weaker to other potential rulers, particularly in Africa and the Middle East. But the reasons these rulers had IOTL for joining the Soviets still exist ITTL. Who would change their minds? But we're still pretty far off from most of those interventions anyway. The most immediate are Egypt and Syria, who were PRETTY motivated to find any kind of help and would probably have allied with Monaco if they promised aid against Israel. So I doubt that changes.

So let's talk about Stalin's death. Was there anyone who would benefit from no Korean War? Was there anyone who IOTL improved their position BECAUSE of the war? The only one I can think of is Beria looks worse after the Korean War, so that's no great loss. But if it means an earlier consensus on Stalin's replacement, maybe it's not Kruschev, either. Thoughts?

Bottom line: the West feels a little better about their situation and about intervention in general, which could have significant butterflies later. The Soviets feel a little worse and maybe break early with the Chinese. The Chinese need a place to show they've arrived on the scene, and that's probably Vietnam.
 
Another thought: A good reason China might not intervene is that they're busy in Taiwan. It seems crazy to think so now, but the US could've been open to such an arrangement before the start of the war, and tacitly were expecting it to happen anyway.

A Sino-Soviet split BEFORE the war would be a very compelling reason for a US victory. And it might set up an entirely new US strategy for the Cold War, one that relies on more of an anti-Soviet mindset than an anti-communist one.

If this were to emerge under Truman it could set up a major divide in US foreign policy thinking, with one faction seeing the Cold War in terms of hostile ideologies and another faction seeing it in terms of hostile powers. If the US can make nice with China over the Korean issue, by selling out Taiwan (which again they were totally willing to do IOTL), then they could normalize things with Yugoslavia and Albania. They could maybe even reverse course with Ho Chi Minh with the help of China. They could potentially find acceptable settlements with most African states ("Do whatever you want and we'll pay for it, as long as you get in line against the Soviets"). If Cuba happens on schedule there's a clear set of procedures for handling that.

One would imagine that special interests still intervene to give the Soviets *some* victories. The Israel dynamic is going to make it impossible to keep the Soviets from winning friends in the Middle East. The oil companies might still see Iran follow OTL's course. And US corporate interests in Cuba might see that go as per OTL.

Plus there could very easily be a backlash against this kind of policy. If, for example, the Republican Party set themselves up as anti-communists and the Democratic Party set themselves up as anti-Soviets, we could see Eisenhower demolish the relationships Truman built with various anti-Soviet communist states- though somehow I'd expect him to be too pragmatic to go about that wholesale.

And anyway it's more likely (given the era we're in in US politics) that we'd have an anti-Soviet wing of both the Democratic and Republican parties and an anti-communist wing of both the Democratic and Republican parties. Given that both parties of the era also had pro civil rights wings and anti civil rights wings, as well as pro government spending and anti government spending wings, and various other internal schisms, this might do some crazy things to US politics. The (relative) unity the American political establishment experienced around foreign policy IOTL would disappear here. That's one more support knocked away from the existing party structure, and it could really truly see the realignment happen a decade earlier, and possibly more quickly than IOTL as well.
 
A Sino-Soviet split BEFORE the war would be a very compelling reason for a US victory. And it might set up an entirely new US strategy for the Cold War, one that relies on more of an anti-Soviet mindset than an anti-communist one.

If this were to emerge under Truman it could set up a major divide in US foreign policy thinking, with one faction seeing the Cold War in terms of hostile ideologies and another faction seeing it in terms of hostile powers. If the US can make nice with China over the Korean issue, by selling out Taiwan (which again they were totally willing to do IOTL), then they could normalize things with Yugoslavia and Albania. They could maybe even reverse course with Ho Chi Minh with the help of China. They could potentially find acceptable settlements with most African states ("Do whatever you want and we'll pay for it, as long as you get in line against the Soviets"). If Cuba happens on schedule there's a clear set of procedures for handling that.
Considering the NATO-Tito approachment you mentioned here, could we see Stalin trying to carve a puppet communist state out of the Soviet occupation zone in Austria?
 
Considering the NATO-Tito approachment you mentioned here, could we see Stalin trying to carve a puppet communist state out of the Soviet occupation zone in Austria?
They could.. But such a thing would really show there hand.

I think an earlier victory in Korea wouldn't have the same effect as a bit protracted then victory. The west would be emboldened to stop comunisims spread.

The soviets might be more inclined to reform before the Chinese do
 
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