From Reds to Brown:Revolutionary Serbia TL

Skeletor 1917

Skeletor 1917

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From Reds to Brown:Revolutionary Serbia is TL in witch there are two PODs that will change fate of Serbia and even Balkan.First POD is that Svetozar Markovic, socialist doesn't die of tuberculosis witch lead to creation of stronger Socialist Serbian party and second POD witch is successful Timok rebellion.It occurred in 1883 when Serbian army tried to take weapons from Serbian pesents, that caused full scale rebellion led by parties that opposed policies of King.With Svetozar alive, and better organised rebellion, we could see major changes.
If you are interested or have comments please tell, I really appreciate it.
Chapter might be today.
 
Skeletor 1917

Skeletor 1917

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Chapter One:He will live
-He will live-said doctor, old family friend of Markovic family.
Jevrem Markovic, older brother of Svetozar Markov,looked nervous .He knew that his younger brother Svetozar was very influential socialist and de facto leader of Serbian Socialist Party, all by age of 28!
Unfortunately, there was high chance for Svetozar to die due to tuberculosis, but doctor helped him on time and with miracle on their side, Svetozar was saved.
Now, while he was taking some sleep, doctor and Jevrem talked outside his room.
-Our time is coming Jevrem,don't with Radicals, they are not radical enough-doctor said.
-Look, doc, I respect socialists but you can see it for yourself. Entire party depends on life of my brother-
-Then shere that burden with him, Jevrem- doctor said quietly.
OOC:This was more introduction but I have plan for much larger chaoter two tomorrow.
 
DanMcCollum

DanMcCollum

Interesting! I actually read a book or two on Serbia and its movement towards independence for a class on Eastern European history. This should be fascinating to watch!
 
Skeletor 1917

Skeletor 1917

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Chapter Two:Radical changes
Timok rebellion is one of those small moments that had big effects on Europe, and to some historians, the world.
We should mention some history around and before Timok rebellion, since rebellion was nothing more then reason for uprising. People where unhappy with Austrophile policies of Obrenovic dynasty.Increase of corrupted government administration that explouted poor pesents was big problem as well.
There where many political parties fighting against these problems, Socialist People's Party and People's Radical Party.

SPP was more radical, agrarian socialist party that gained large influence in ranks of army and pesentry.Their leader was Svetozar Markovic, writer and intellectual who created specific form of Serbian socialism, known later as cooperativism, witch we will talk later.Svetozar was dangerously close to die due to tuberculosis but he was saved by heroic efforts of family doctor. Under his leadership, party grew recruiting people from poor pesents and radical solders.His cooperativism didn't rejected patritoism but supported it.To them they supported people's patriotism in form of pan-Slavism and they saw Obrenovic dynasty as big problem. So its was no surprise they played key roles in Timok rebellion and later civil war.

PRP was rather less radical socialist but more liberal party led by popular Nikola Pasic.While they had some success in pesentry but their focus remained in cities where they recruited people from yet undeveloped proleterian class and smaller but growing middle class.Unlike their allies SSP they where more opened to work with government and Obrenovic dynasty but they still remained in odds with them as they supported Russophile policies.They where main driving force behind Timok rebellion and they led new government in short lived Kingdom of Serbia under dynasty Karadjordjevic.

Now, we must explain what Timok rebellion actually was.Government of Serbia was worried that armed pesents where threat to the government and Obrenovic dynasty. There was rumours that Socialists and Radicals where ploting against the King.So order was made to demilitarise all pesents so government could have unlimited power. Solders, who where under influence of Radicals and Socialists, refused to shoot on pesents and under Pasic, solders and pesents marched on Belgrade. King with his whole family left for Vienna, while new King was proped up by Radicals from house of Karadjordjevic.
Its was first but fatal mistake of Radicals.
 
Skeletor 1917

Skeletor 1917

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Chapter Three:New Dawn,New Sunset

Its commonly believed by various authors, that Marx would kill himself if he lived for few more months to see his revolution happening in borderland such is Serbia.Marxists around the world, cried in great agony to see their great prophet being wrong and that undeveloped Serbia be first to liberate itself from capitalism.
But they where wrong about Serbia.

What was happening from Timok rebellion and later on wasn't socialism that was created by Europuan intellectuals. It was spontaneously created due to collectivist nature of Balkan area.Markovic in his later works wrote this:
"We can clearly see that nature and culture of people determine their form of socialism and not some strangers from far away lands.... .What could Bakunin or Marx knew about dreams, hopes and fears of common Serb?That is why socialism that we implemt is most natrual to those who we represent and protect"
svetozar.jpg (Svetozar Markovic)
This quote was from his book "Serbian socialism" written shortly after second uprising that we will adress now.

Radicals unlike Socialist couldn't, or perhaps wouldn't, feel puls of Serbian pesentry. It was no suprise that shorty after Timok rebellion, new government made out Radicals issued order to disarm pesentry as their rights are now protected by new government. Maybe it was Pasic or new King from Karadjordjevic house who made that order but we will never know. What we do know is that, under Socialist influence, pesentry once more refused to obey. They saw how powerful their unity can be and they saw better alternative. Army ,that overthrew one dynasty, saw no moral issues to aid rebels again. After all, to them king was obstacle on the way to fulfill their nationalist dreams.

So, another march on Belgrade was made and another king overtrown but this time Svetozar as leader of rebellion. He made radical changes, that we will adress in next chapter, thst drew attention of new enemy: Austria

Austria was already frustrated with removal of their puppet dynasty Obrenovic but radical socialist regime crossed the line...if it wasn't for unexpected ally of Serbs: France.
France was still for spreading revolutionary spirit as long it wasn't Marxist or Anarchist and Svetozar opposed both of those factions. France saw revolution in Serbia as good chance to expand their influence to Balkan.Peace theatry was made between Austria and United Cooperatives of Serbia, full name of new Serbia. Serbia will not spread propaganda into Austria and Austria will recognise new regime.

OCC:Tomorrow will be new chaoter regarding regime and new ideology in Serbia, tell me your opinions so I could improve the story.
 

Damian0358

If there is anything I could say at this time, it is that I'm applauding you for your attempts! Rarely does one see a Serbo-centric TL, since it is often relegated to either be affected by some nearby POD or not be mentioned at all! Writing a timeline isn't always easy as well, especially when a site's common language isn't one you are adept at.

But not only have you pushed through those complications, you have also managed to think of a POD most people don't even consider due to the relative obscurity of Balkan history north of Greece, especially after the Ottoman conquests. So, for that, I applaud you!

Now, when it comes to the story itself, while I like it thus far (not mentioning the imperfect English writing), I must question the involvement of the Karađorđevići. While I understand the reasons why you chose to have the Radicals prop them up to power, especially since Pašić was in contact with Petar, I don't think they would've accepted their offer, not immediately at least. In 1883, when the rebellion took place, Petar's father Aleksandar (who ruled Serbia from 1842 to 1858) was still alive, though he would die in 1885. Considering the fact that he took offense for being accused of collaborating in the assassination of Mihailo III Obrenović, I think he would refuse solely out of the political climate the rebellion would've created. This would've effectively put the throne in a permanent regency, and since the text implies that Marković's socialist rebellion came soon after the Timok rebellion, I feel as though they wouldn't have come to power either way.

Beyond that, the rest of the story thus far has been pretty solid. While I don't know about France wanting to spread revolutionary spirit, them being the reason why Serbia isn't immediately crushed by Austria makes sense, since they would've not only wanted to spread their influence into the Balkans, but to further isolate the Germans little by little. While I question the new full name of Serbia slightly, I guess it is fine for what it is.
 
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Skeletor 1917

Skeletor 1917

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This chapter will regard mostly how government of this new Serbia will function. Here, we see most radical ideas from Socialists because compromise with Radicals and Crown never occurs, and their ideas can be fully established.
Chapter Four:Guiding Star

After brief second uprising, most of the government made by Radicals escaped to Russia and some to Austria.Those who stayed to oppose Socialist's power had meet their end in mass executions .Traitors of people, was official name for them and as regime will progress more abd more "traitors" would be executed.

It would be foolish to think that Socialist established totalitarian society. That wasn't the case, in fact Serbia will be the first country to legalise free press, gender equality, religious equality and free healthcare. They allowed to be criticised from opposition, but reactionaries where not allowed.

Government removed all political parties and established direct democracy. Every village would be run by cooperative that was ruled by local assembly (zbor-збор) of pesents. Then, they would vote for one representative for All-National Assembly (Svenacionalni zbor-Свенационални збор) and it was Serbian equivalent to the Parliament. That All-National Assembly would elect Cabinet of Serbia that would run the country, of course they would share that power with All-National Assembly (ANA later in text) .You would think that members of cabinet matted but ANA hold true power.

Cities where more complex, so Socialists used syndicalism with every city having own All-City Syndicate, effectively representing cities.

Economy on other hand was not so easily subjecated to principles of Cooperativism.State market existed, with every village and city having own commission, that was democratically elected on local assembly. Such commisions would represent village or city that elected them.They would make trade deals with other cooperatives.For example: Cooperative X gives 100 fish for 100 potatos from Cooperative Y. Naturally this led to various problems, such as famines of 1888,1889 and 1901.But from this chaos, trade alliances (trade unions as they where renamed)emerged as trading allience of several cooperative commities.They would merge their merchandise and labour to establish monopoly on market.Socialists at first dislike it but they where forced to allow it, later on.Such new system had good sides, as making most of population satisfied, but own flaws such as forcing smaller cooperatives to join bigger ones.This form of cooperativism would be known as market coooerativism.
Proffesions that didn't produced material good to cooperatives (doctors,lawyers,teachers,etc..)where paied by state funded budget.

OCC:Next chapter we will talk about world and new actions from Serbia.
 
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