It was foreshadowed in season 2: USA and Western allies tried to push more economic sanctions on the URSS, who reacted by growing their economic trade with South America countries (probably, adding a lot of trade for new goods for the soviet people) and this also led to their power on such countries to grow. Some of these countries (like Brazil) are still today holding a large population of poor people against a small, rich elite and thus, the communism message would have been very interesting for them, others, like Argentina or Chile, already had communist or socialist-orinted government who ended up toppled by the USA, but probably here the Soviets were able to give them enough cover for them to resist, win and thrive.
Mexico, it is quite an interesting development, but I imagine that the common resentment against the USA, together with the Soviet's trade-political plan, managed to influence the people on having a friendly government (at least). While it may sound a little bit clichè (expecially if you have seen Red Dawn or played Red Alert 2) I am quite impressed as it looks like the narcotraffic and drug lords situation has been butterflied to be weaker or maybe resolved.
A thing I am thinking is: are the Soviets using their new influence over all american states south to the Texas border to build the imagined Nicaragua channel? How is the situation on Panama?
And how is the situation developing on this new front of the Cold War?
One question I am having: what is China doing in this universe? I can't imagine they're particularly thrilled with the Soviet Union's economic miracle, and because of it, I think they're not going to become the west's factory in this universe. I hope we get more detail on Beijing in the coming episodes.
One question I am having: what is China doing in this universe? I can't imagine they're particularly thrilled with the Soviet Union's economic miracle, and because of it, I think they're not going to become the west's factory in this universe. I hope we get more detail on Beijing in the coming episodes.
I am frequently wrong, but my prediction is we won't be hearing a lot from China. On the one hand, you've got a ton of bad press and US relations at a pretty low ebb; on the other, you've got a company making gobs and gobs of money thanks to China. If you show them as the good guys, Apple loses customers and prestige. If you show them as the bad guys, Apple has to send a trade delegation to Henan to lick boots and try to overcome sudden shortages of semiconductors.
I really do feel that Apple is going to try to cut the baby in half by asking the show to just not mention China much at all.
I am frequently wrong, but my prediction is we won't be hearing a lot from China. On the one hand, you've got a ton of bad press and US relations at a pretty low ebb; on the other, you've got a company making gobs and gobs of money thanks to China. If you show them as the good guys, Apple loses customers and prestige. If you show them as the bad guys, Apple has to send a trade delegation to Henan to lick boots and try to overcome sudden shortages of semiconductors.
I really do feel that Apple is going to try to cut the baby in half by asking the show to just not mention China much at all.
They will play some part in the future, their moon base was very front and center in the S3 Opening Roll. They'll surely be treated with care though, I agree.
I am frequently wrong, but my prediction is we won't be hearing a lot from China. On the one hand, you've got a ton of bad press and US relations at a pretty low ebb; on the other, you've got a company making gobs and gobs of money thanks to China. If you show them as the good guys, Apple loses customers and prestige. If you show them as the bad guys, Apple has to send a trade delegation to Henan to lick boots and try to overcome sudden shortages of semiconductors.
I really do feel that Apple is going to try to cut the baby in half by asking the show to just not mention China much at all.
My point is that it's a lose-lose scenario. Show China as bad, offend China. Show China as good, lose prestige and Western customers. So the only answer might be, "don't show much of China at all."
Keep them in the B-reel until the nations of the world decide to merge space programs into Star Fleet in season 6.
One question I am having: what is China doing in this universe? I can't imagine they're particularly thrilled with the Soviet Union's economic miracle, and because of it, I think they're not going to become the west's factory in this universe. I hope we get more detail on Beijing in the coming episodes.
I'd imagine that they are somewhat more in in line with the Soviets. Not a satellite state, but I'd imagine that when Deng or whoever decides to accelerate their space program their best option is to work with the Soviets closely on that front.
I am frequently wrong, but my prediction is we won't be hearing a lot from China. On the one hand, you've got a ton of bad press and US relations at a pretty low ebb; on the other, you've got a company making gobs and gobs of money thanks to China. If you show them as the good guys, Apple loses customers and prestige. If you show them as the bad guys, Apple has to send a trade delegation to Henan to lick boots and try to overcome sudden shortages of semiconductors.
I really do feel that Apple is going to try to cut the baby in half by asking the show to just not mention China much at all.
This is probably the case. So at best we will get a "neutral" China who manages to keep up with the US and the USSR (i.e. they will have a space program) but will never be addressed as or shown to be a "competitor", just a friendly rival.
I've gotten literally 1 minute and 9 seconds in before having to pause and go "what the fuck".
The newspaper clipping for timeskip montage has
Thatcher dying in the Brighton bombing
Which, fine, whatever they've done stuff like this before. It's the inclusion of a statement by the
President of Ireland who is somehow immortal Eamonn De Valera saying that this pointed to a period of dire relations between Northern Ireland and England
Even if he lived he wouldn’t have still been president at that stage, the Irish President is term limited to 2 7 year terms (and generally wouldn’t be making comments like that anyway), and the man was almost a waking corpse long before that, my father met him in school back in the 60s and even then he was utterly blind. It’s just someone had no clue and just stuck a random historical person in without any research.
I've gotten literally 1 minute and 9 seconds in before having to pause and go "what the fuck".
The newspaper clipping for timeskip montage has
Thatcher dying in the Brighton bombing
Which, fine, whatever they've done stuff like this before. It's the inclusion of a statement by the
President of Ireland who is somehow immortal Eamonn De Valera saying that this pointed to a period of dire relations between Northern Ireland and England
Well yep that really made me question who the hell was wrote that statement without fact checking who was actually President of Ireland in that time.
Actually I think the words in that Newspaper was meant for the Taoiseach (Prime Minister) of Ireland at the time but the guy writing this got the Taoiseach and President mixed up and assumed that the President of Ireland shared a role that was similar to the American President of the USA.
But that doesn't explain how the feck did said guy choose Éamon de Valera of all people to be the President, whatever they were did not google at all because the man was dead for nearly 9 years by that point in 1984 and was illegible to run for the Presidential Office after 1973.
Even if he lived he wouldn’t have still been president at that stage, the Irish President is term limited to 2 7 year terms (and generally wouldn’t be making comments like that anyway), and the man was almost a waking corpse long before that, my father met him in school back in the 60s and even then he was utterly blind. It’s just someone had no clue and just stuck a random historical person in without any research.
Well if we are somehow going to justify why this has happened in FAM, then lets assume that he loses the 1966 Presidential election to Tom O'Higgins because he was 1% from losing it in OTL, then he goes out and do things that improve his aging health, his old Wife is able to last longer to give him strength, magical Technology invented by NASA is able to indirectly increase his longevity without him even noticing it somehow, he refuses to fully retire, doesn't act senile at all and somehow his appearance doesn't look to be too old despite being in his 90s although he is nearly blind and can't move around much.
Tom O'Higgins fails to win the 1973 election for some reason and the other President(s) after him don't last long in their Precedency, then out of nowhere old Éamon de Valera somehow gets nominated for the 1977 Presidential Election and even more bizarrely wins the election and fast forwar to October 1984 in the last hours of his precedency he is able to still coherently make comments about the assassination of the British Prime Minister and then he immediately dies the next day from Heart failure, he fails to finish the final months of his Presidency.
That is the only logical explanation for why he would be President in 1984... even though its not backed up with sources and requires a lot of suspension of disbelief...
Even if he lived he wouldn’t have still been president at that stage, the Irish President is term limited to 2 7 year terms (and generally wouldn’t be making comments like that anyway), and the man was almost a waking corpse long before that, my father met him in school back in the 60s and even then he was utterly blind. It’s just someone had no clue and just stuck a random historical person in without any research.
Thats if his previous terms took place as per OTL, this is an ATL after all. I agree it is a mistake though and lazy research, although very very unlikely it could have happened though thats all i was meaning.
Well, they were notoriously sloppy. Aldrich Ames comes to mind but yeah, she's the Director of NASA. Somebody should be at her back in a semi-permanent basis.
Well, they were notoriously sloppy. Aldrich Ames comes to mind but yeah, she's the Director of NASA. Somebody should be at her back in a semi-permanent basis.
In any case, it's just confirmed that she was merely plain stupid when it comes to anything else but engineering. She did all this for the past nine years for a guy she liked and "in the interest of the furtherance of space travel and international peace", whatever the hell that means. For a moment I thought she would retain that backbone she showed but nah, that's overrated I suppose.
