What did he give the city?Ronald D Moore must've had a great time on that Portlandia episode he did, after the gift he just gave the city.
What did he give the city?Ronald D Moore must've had a great time on that Portlandia episode he did, after the gift he just gave the city.
What did he give the city?
Im quite surprised it doesnt have more interested around here as its probably one of the more plausible AH timelines there is.For All Mankind is like what 2001: A Space Odyssey expected, orbital hotels and moon bases by the dawn of the third millennium.
He was apparently asleep for those two terms cause Mexico turned Commie along with South America and that was OK by himWatching now, called it on2-term President Gary Hart
As opposed to what ? Deep American involvement in civil wars up to and including nuclear war with the Soviet Union ? Given those choices Gary did right by the US especially if the US ended up more prosperous by 1992 which there is every indication so far that it did. His 8 year term also points towards that.Given time the Soviet/Communist system will likely either reform or collapse and by 2022 the world might be in overall better shape than in OTL 2022 than it would be anyway. At the very least it keeps America great does it not ?He was apparently asleep for those two terms cause Mexico turned Commie along with South America and that was OK by him
I don't know, letting the Iron Curtain be in El Paso somehow strikes me as the wrong move, certainly unrealistic for a show that took itself seriously before, trying not to be ASB. And it's not that the Soviets are letting up themselves. The news article mentions Soviet-led Mexican troops staging provocations alongside the US-Mexican border with a revanchist rhetoric. There's even mention of a Bill to secure the Southern Border or something like that, supported even by Democratic legislators. Needless to say, it's not a situation that is popularAs opposed to what ? Deep American involvement in civil wars up to and including nuclear war with the Soviet Union ?
I am not arguing that the world is in worse shape. All I am saying is that if a communist Cuba lead to full time Cold War angst and fear, a communist Mexico should lead to daily duck and cover exercises.His 8 year term also points towards that.Given time the Soviet/Communist system will likely either reform or collapse and by 2022 the world might be in overall better shape than in OTL 2022 than it would be anyway.
I get your point and I too like the irony of this but I don't think that the parties are as extreme as in our timeline. First of all, it's the 90s, which generally was an era of bipartisanship but also American society has been pushed along to generally more liberal paths. I don't think that Ellen will mark a serious regression in that front.On a related note I like how the 1992 election is being set up between Bill Clinton who may or may not have the same flaws as OTL and Ellen Wilson a closeted lesbian married to a closeted gay man as the standard bearer for a Republican party that likely has many of the same anti gay and other positions it did OTL,We know and like Ellen overall but would her victory as the 1st female president really be the best thing ?
Indeed. Soviet troops (or Soviet led Mexican troops, not that different) directly on US border? Even if it is a soft communism, that is too dangerous, especially with large number of Mexicans in US with families still in Mexico. A perfect recruiting ground for KGB or even potential fifth column in case of conflict. I would not be surprised if there was a strong push for a harsher policy towards illegal immigrates. And US Army would need to keep strong garrisons on their southern border.I don't know, letting the Iron Curtain be in El Paso somehow strikes me as the wrong move, certainly unrealistic for a show that took itself seriously before, trying not to be ASB. And it's not that the Soviets are letting up themselves. The news article mentions Soviet-led Mexican troops staging provocations alongside the US-Mexican border with a revanchist rhetoric. There's even mention of a Bill to secure the Southern Border or something like that, supported even by Democratic legislators. Needless to say, it's not a situation that is popular
I am not arguing that the world is in worse shape. All I am saying is that if a communist Cuba lead to full time Cold War angst and fear, a communist Mexico should lead to daily duck and cover exercises.
I agree. It is highly impropable. Perhaps the Soviet economy worked better in 1970s thanks to new technologies achieved thanks to space race (invented in USSR or stolen from the West) and 1980s Andropov launched a drastic but surprisingly successful anti-corruption campaign starting with a purge in the KGB itself; then Gorbachev by some miracle managed to make Soviet economy actually working. But the gas and oil prices going down is a real problem for the USSR, if not a deathstroke.A Soviet collapse should be a possibility even though lots of tankies within the viewer base say that it shouldn't be. Even if we spray away the massive corruption endemic into the regime that no amount of space success would drive away, fusion is the death of the Soviet Economy. The moment it's introduced in Europe (which might already be the case if global warming is receding and you have oil workers rioting and picketing NASA HQ), the oil and gas revenues that kept the Soviets afloat for much of the 20th century are gone.
I don't know. I think that at least some people would criticize her for lying for so many years. Lying to NASA authorities is one thing, with good enough motive (and she had one) most of people would be willing to forgive her. But when she starts in elections and most probably presents herself as a good (heterosexual) wife, she is lying to all Americans. If I was her adversary in elections I would ask her what else she was lying about.I get your point and I too like the irony of this but I don't think that the parties are as extreme as in our timeline. First of all, it's the 90s, which generally was an era of bipartisanship but also American society has been pushed along to generally more liberal paths. I don't think that Ellen will mark a serious regression in that front.
If the Soviet Union is stronger and lasts longer as it is and has ittl its possible its system could have been much more popular in the southern Western Hemisphere where it always had a fair amount of support OTL so I dont think this totally asb. So no I dont think it would be a popular situation but its more popular than the alternatives which a 2 term Hart presidency bears out.I don't know, letting the Iron Curtain be in El Paso somehow strikes me as the wrong move, certainly unrealistic for a show that took itself seriously before, trying not to be ASB. And it's not that the Soviets are letting up themselves. The news article mentions Soviet-led Mexican troops staging provocations alongside the US-Mexican border with a revanchist rhetoric. There's even mention of a Bill to secure the Southern Border or something like that, supported even by Democratic legislators. Needless to say, it's not a situation that is popular
Or perhaps despite all this in some ways the Cold War has receded because mutually assured destruction is the order of the day because Hart likely assured the Soviets that despite their huffing and puffing if they ever took a step into the USA proper then there goes their ball game.I am not arguing that the world is in worse shape. All I am saying is that if a communist Cuba lead to full time Cold War angst and fear, a communist Mexico should lead to daily duck and cover exercises.
This is very likely and if not it would be something else.A Soviet collapse should be a possibility even though lots of tankies within the viewer base say that it shouldn't be. Even if we spray away the massive corruption endemic into the regime that no amount of space success would drive away, fusion is the death of the Soviet Economy. The moment it's introduced in Europe (which might already be the case if global warming is receding and you have oil workers rioting and picketing NASA HQ), the oil and gas revenues that kept the Soviets afloat for much of the 20th century are gone.
It would if Ellen and Larry remain closeted and the Republican party still supports a return to and a maintenance of a 1950s Beaver Cleaver type America. No matter how more liberal and less extreme the parties have become I still think its very likely that at least as part of distinguishing themselves from the Democrats the Republicans have maintained at least elements of their cultural conservatism. Also we heard that Pat Robertson was their 1988 nominee for you know whos sake. Ellen leading a party like that and winning just would not be right imo.I get your point and I too like the irony of this but I don't think that the parties are as extreme as in our timeline. First of all, it's the 90s, which generally was an era of bipartisanship but also American society has been pushed along to generally more liberal paths. I don't think that Ellen will mark a serious regression in that front.
Ah, see, that's the mistake. It should have been apparent from the space stuff that For All Mankind wasn't trying to be that from about the end of Season 1, if not the trailers to Season 2.certainly unrealistic for a show that took itself seriously before, trying not to be ASB.
Or not because as stated above the Soviets would likely know full well what would happen if they stepped into the USA proper. Not thinking its better to be dead than red doesnt mean you will actually sit back and let yourself become red when it comes down to it.Indeed. Soviet troops (or Soviet led Mexican troops, not that different) directly on US border? Even if it is a soft communism, that is too dangerous, especially with large number of Mexicans in US with families still in Mexico. A perfect recruiting ground for KGB or even potential fifth column in case of conflict. I would not be surprised if there was a strong push for a harsher policy towards illegal immigrates. And US Army would need to keep strong garrisons on their southern border.
I get a strange Red Alert 2 / Red Dawn vibes...
Well for some Americans the issue wouldnt be that she was lying because as a Republican especially its understandable that she was lying considering what it was about. The issue would be the hypocrisy of what she was lying about and being the face of a party likely opposed to who she and her husband really are. If Clinton has any integrity thats how he would frame it because making it about her lying would conflate it with making about her being lesbian.I don't know. I think that at least some people would criticize her for lying for so many years. Lying to NASA authorities is one thing, with good enough motive (and she had one) most of people would be willing to forgive her. But when she starts in elections and most probably presents herself as a good (heterosexual) wife, she is lying to all Americans. If I was her adversary in elections I would ask her what else she was lying about.
Why ? Even without the extended existence of the Soviet Union the possibility of a 2001 type world was a real possibility by 1990s there just needed to be much different decisions as most of the tech to make it possible was there.Ah, see, that's the mistake. It should have been apparent from the space stuff that For All Mankind wasn't trying to be that from about the end of Season 1, if not the trailers to Season 2.