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The Czech Legion is still missing? Surely they've made it into Ottoman Empire by now.

The best part about this of course is that since this is "Czech" gold, the Russians still have to cough up an equivalent amount of gold.

The gold is still missing. The Czech legion has dispersed. The Russians caught a few and shot them as deserters (impalement was mooted, but soldiers don't do that to comrades). For some reason, none of them were reported to be carrying any gold on their persons by the arresting troops. More disappeared without a trace along the way, in the Caucasus passes or the highlands of northern Persia. About two thirds made it into civilisation, and most of them carried significant amounts of gold. The best organised - altogether maybe two hundred, mostly running in groups of 5-10 people - brought out serious wealth. But even so, there was no way they could carry off seventy tonnes of gold between them.

reality is complicated and will not be pieced together for years to come. The Legion used about fifty kilogrammes of gold in their diversion and made off with roughly ten tonnes when they abandoned the train. Before doing so, they buried several caches amounting to another 10 tonnes altogether along the railway line, hoping to get back there after the end of the war. Many men then buried their own treasures after they found they couldn't carry nearly as much as they had loaded themselves with.

About fifty tonnes were left with the train (much of it actually hidden in ravines and under rocks rather than in the railcars, for no reason other than that's what you do). Locals found it and helped themselves before reporting the train to the authorities. Police and military authorities secured further quantities of gold, reporting back to their respective ministries and commands. The parlous state of communication and the venality of officialdom meansthat while the Russian government knows roughly who made off with their gold and where they left it, they don't know how much of it is still there or who currently has it. Ultimately, a concerted search will recover about twenty tonnes befopre someone realises putting in the effort just to give it to the Germans is absolutely fucking pointless and call it off. Treasure tourism in the area will continue to generate revenues for locals well into the next century.


Everyone happy with Eulenburg as chancellor ? I listen to his "Rosenlieder" on youtube as I type.

Well, there was a slight problem with that. Altogether, he was among the better chancellors nonetheless. Not comparable to Caprivi, but a solid mediocrity.

And what they Will do there?

The Ottoman Empire is an amazing place full of obliging officials and helpful merchants who can provide anything for a modest fee: American passports, fashionable wardrobe, travel guides, armed escorts, tickets to Constantinople or Sinop, Basra or Aden, and onwards to Bombay, Shanghai, and San Francisco, or to Suez, Brindisi, Liverpool, and New York.
 
I gotta admit, the post-ar isn't looking too fancy, but it's the notes of happiness about where all this Czarist gold ended up that keeps me reading :)
 
09 September 1908, Warsaw


The balcony of the royal palace was spacious, a table set with tea and cakes lent it a homely, inviting air, and the broad windows made it difficult for anyone to listen in unnoticed. King Karol Stefan still finding his feet in the unaccustomed reality of his new country, had taken to using it for private audiences. The studied informality suited the local style and served to distance him from the Viennese court. Franz Ferdinand, as far as he knew, never spoke to anyone with fewer than ten servants and clerks in attendance. An additional benefit was that the setting helped to reduce the bearers of fancy titles to common humanity. It helped if you were going to face a living legend, but the moment still took its toll on the young king’s nerve.


The Polish war had made three men into living legends. The first, predictably, was Pilsudski, the leader of the first heroic uprising. His moustache had set off a fashion among the male population, and the mere sound of his voice made every Polish male over the age of ten long to throw himself into battle for glory, country and king. The second, somewhat embarrassingly, was Brianski, the dashing general whose face had adorned as many propaganda posters as his exploits had filled newspapers. He had a knack for making men feel deeply inadequate and women long to rip off their underwear and throw themselves at his feet, and if rumour was to be believed, he was using the opportunities of his posting in Warsaw fully. The third was Felix Dzerzhinski. Inspiration was not the word that came to mind.


Up close – now that he finally had the opportunity to see him personally – the king found him a physically unexceptional specimen. Most of Poland’s military leaders were tall and fit, sporting men whose bodies were steeled by riding, hunting and gymnastics. Dzerzhinski looked like a clerk. His steel-rimmed glasses and quiet voice added to the impression of physical fragility. Karol Stefan looked at his lopsided face and shivered. They told stories about what the man had survived in the katorga.


“It is good that you could come, Mr Dzerzhinski.” The king said, trying not to make his discomfort too obvious..


“I was unavoidably detained on earlier occasions, Your Majesty.” Dzerzhinski replied, subservience tinged with just a hint of unyielding metal.


“No doubt you were. I am glad you found the opportunity to dress for the occasion.”


Dzerzhinski smopothed his shirt front and stood straighter, pretending to briefly admire his suit. “I would not dream of disappointing your Majesty.” He said flatly.


The king summoned his courage and locked eyes. “Give me one good reason why I should not dismiss you and dissolve your agency.”


Dzerzhinski shrugged. “Three, Majesty.” He counted off. “First, Wilhelm III. Do not be mistaken in the intentions of the German government. They support us because we are useful to their purposes. As soon as our interests no longer align with theirs in any way, they will make sure that we obey. You will need to be apprised of these developments early.”


“Very well”, Karol Stefan conceded, “though I take it your organisation itself is in the pay of the German general staff.”


“We cooperate by sharing information.” Dzerzhinski bristled. “They pay us for services rendered. The interests of Poland are not infringed upon in any way. And of course, if your Majesty desires and end to this cooperation, all that is required is an order to that effect. And the provision of commensurate funds from the state’s coffers. Now, two: Georges Clemenceau. That man may be the smartest politician alive in Europe today, and that is saying something! If he can do anything to weaken Poland, he will. Understand he bears us no malice, but that is neither here nor there. The interest of France requires it.”


The king sighed. Politics was a shark tank, what else was new? But of course, the NSB had served up enough spies lately to justify the most paranoid of fantasies.


“Third, Grand Prince Nikolai Romanov. You know he is already planning to take his revenge. No matter what else the future might bring, Russian enmity to Poland is as certain as the sunrise. These people do not play fair, your Majesty. They will use lies and propaganda, bribery and blackmail, subversion and assassination. That is why you need me.”


“So you say.” Karol Stefan retorted. Dzerzhinski’s smiled, relieved. He’d won. “So you say, but what of your conduct? Your agents tortured and murdered people…”


“Executed. If you are going to call them murderers, then you must also call what the Okhrana does murder. The NSB acts in the interests of the state.”


“But not within its laws?”


“It was war. Extraordinary circumstances require extraordinary measures.” Dzerzhinski bowed his head momentarily. “I would not countenance such acts in peacetime.”


“We all hope so.” The king raised a teacup to his lips to make time, collecting his thoughts. He might dislike the man, but what choice did he have? “You are a Socialist, are you not? Tell me, Mr Dzerzhinski: Why should a king trust a Socialist?”


“I do not expect you to trust me, your Majesty.” Dzerzhinski stated bluntly. “I fully expect you to submit my every step to the closest of scrutiny. But I will say that attacking your majesty would be against my interests and my ideals. You may believe bad things of me, but understand that I love Poland. We may disagree on what our country should look like, but we serve her as best we can. More importantly – I hate the Romanov tyrant. That, you may trust in.”


Karol Stefan nodded slowly. “I will rein you in every chance I get. I will not tolerate any inhumanity.”


“Your Majesty, rest assured that the National Security Bureau will operate strictly within the law of the kingdom. Once such a law exists, that is.”


“You will end your vendetta against the church.”


Dzerzhinski bowed his head wordlessly.


“And you will apprise me of any threats to my person that you become aware of. Personally and immediately. I expect reliable men to be placed on this duty”


“Of course, Majesty.” Dzerzhinski promised. “Will the NSB be involved with guard duties as well?”


The king hesitated for the briefest of moment. Poland – was Poland. If he was to trust the man, he had to demonstrate it. Trajan and the barber... : “Yes. Have a detail of agents report to the commander of the royal bodyguard tomorrow. We will discuss the duties of plainclothes branch.”


“Of course, your Majesty.”
 

Faeelin

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A couple of questions:

1) Is the longtime female companion her, uh... companion?

2) I wonder. I'm not going to get political, but it seems like modern Russia has shown the possible benefit of a far right movement in one country propping up useful idiots in others. Think of it as the mirror of the Comintern, showing what a united faithful people can do.

3) "Ultimately, a concerted search will recover about twenty tonnes before someone realises putting in the effort just to give it to the Germans is absolutely fucking pointless and call it off." I burst out laughing.

4) The last post, perversely, gives me hope for Poland.
 
And so does Iron Feliks. Tempered steel, it can bend a long way. It is then of course under tremendous tension and liable to release considerable force quite suddenly.
 
A couple of questions:

1) Is the longtime female companion her, uh... companion?

2) I wonder. I'm not going to get political, but it seems like modern Russia has shown the possible benefit of a far right movement in one country propping up useful idiots in others. Think of it as the mirror of the Comintern, showing what a united faithful people can do.

3) "Ultimately, a concerted search will recover about twenty tonnes before someone realises putting in the effort just to give it to the Germans is absolutely fucking pointless and call it off." I burst out laughing.

4) The last post, perversely, gives me hope for Poland.

1) I read it as male companion (aka wilde Ehe)...or was this established earlier. If the companion is indeed a "companion" von Forster should broaden her horizons. Even if they are already broad by the standards of the time.
2) ITL Russias problem is that almost everybody hates them. The Mitteleuropeans and Ottomans for being their sworn enemy, the French for being faithless, the Americans for being barbarians and the Japanese for sitting on Siberia. That leaves the Brits. Who will not engage in a two way fight against the USA and Germany. Or a one way fight against Germany for that matter.
3) XD Same here.
4) Felix and Karol are both intelligent, knowing that their list of enemies is longer than their list of friends. That said, they both probably know that their best chance at glories, lands and money is to play lancer to the germans. If Felix is extremly devious, he'll try and get III into NSB hands. That could be fun. Especially if they form some sort of federation 80 years later and discover that there is no german secret service, there is just the polish one masquerading as germans.
 
A couple of questions:
1) Is the longtime female companion her, uh... companion?

As per OTL - probably. Those who talk don't know, and those who knew didn't talk.

2) I wonder. I'm not going to get political, but it seems like modern Russia has shown the possible benefit of a far right movement in one country propping up useful idiots in others. Think of it as the mirror of the Comintern, showing what a united faithful people can do.

Integralism is going to be a very influential political philosophy abroad. Even in Germany. It can't last forever, but in real terms what they achieved (and even more so what they stand to achieve) is impressive. This is a world that doesn't have Bolshevism as its comparative foil, so Integralism (Russian, Chinese and Japanese) will be viewed as the only system that managed to drag a peasant culture into the industrial age.


4) The last post, perversely, gives me hope for Poland.

And so does Iron Feliks. Tempered steel, it can bend a long way. It is then of course under tremendous tension and liable to release considerable force quite suddenly.

Dzerzhinski is a patient and flexible man. He will do fine under any regime that lets him do his thing, and he will provide a useful counterweight to the monarchist, clericalist and ethno-nationalist factions in the next sejm. .

2) ITL Russias problem is that almost everybody hates them. The Mitteleuropeans and Ottomans for being their sworn enemy, the French for being faithless, the Americans for being barbarians and the Japanese for sitting on Siberia. That leaves the Brits. Who will not engage in a two way fight against the USA and Germany. Or a one way fight against Germany for that matter.

Breaking open Russia's political isolation is a task for the next decades. It will work, in the end, but like anything in a multipolar system, not as well as they hoped.


4) Felix and Karol are both intelligent, knowing that their list of enemies is longer than their list of friends. That said, they both probably know that their best chance at glories, lands and money is to play lancer to the germans. If Felix is extremly devious, he'll try and get III into NSB hands. That could be fun. Especially if they form some sort of federation 80 years later and discover that there is no german secret service, there is just the polish one masquerading as germans.

That would be fun, but IIIb isn't that bad. He will get a kind of symbiotic relationship going, though, likie the British and US services have. Sharing intelligence and developing a kind of instinctive trust (to the extent anyone in that line of work trusts anyone).
 
As per OTL - probably. Those who talk don't know, and those who knew didn't talk.
My bad, I should looked her up.

That would be fun, but IIIb isn't that bad. He will get a kind of symbiotic relationship going, though, likie the British and US services have. Sharing intelligence and developing a kind of instinctive trust (to the extent anyone in that line of work trusts anyone).
Just so I get my facts straight: III is Aufklärung (Reconnaisance) and IIIb is Politics (Military spooks, basically). This leads me to wonder when Germany will form a civil intelligence service akin to the NSB or if intelligence work will stay the domain of military and diplomats for the time being.
 
Just so I get my facts straight: III is Aufklärung (Reconnaisance) and IIIb is Politics (Military spooks, basically). This leads me to wonder when Germany will form a civil intelligence service akin to the NSB or if intelligence work will stay the domain of military and diplomats for the time being.

They will, eventually. IIIb is inadequate and the political police forces of the states are disparate and poorly networked. It will, however, take a change in the constitution to enable the formation of the Reichspolizei (Reipo) which will be charged with combating subversion and terrorism as well as running its own counterintelligence operations. Foreign intelligence will stay in the hands of the Generalstab, though the navy, the air force, the foreign office and the economy ministry will be running their own programmes.
 

Faeelin

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A dark thought. Given the ATL gay rights movement, and the current discussion of Frederick the Great...

There will be a light of fun when some right wing, pro-gay revisionist historian claims that Germany's founding father was also a daddy.
 
I do not really regret to announce that this timeline will again be subject to reduced posting frequency owing to a birth in the immediate family.

I do feel a bit sorry for my regular readers. But not regretful.
 
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