When would you say Ethiopian civilization started? Because from what I can see it started a bit too late to be considered a cradle, while we don't know for sure yet it's possible that Ethiopia experience 2 whole ethnic shifts between 2500 BCE to 1000 BCE with spread of Cushitic and subsequently Ethio-Semitic.I would argue this is OTL, with the domestication of teff supporting populations that created unique monumental architecture since ancient times and projected power internationally by contesting control for the vital Red Sea trade route. Sure, Ethiopia is culturally influenced by neighbors and invaders, but this is true of every other 'center of civilization' as well. And where Egypt and Mesopotamia largely assimilated to the culture of Arab conquerors* Ethiopia did not.
*I am aware that I am greatly simplifying here thank you.
I guess I see a "cradle" as the rise of an independent agriculture, rather than necessarily a civilization. For me, Mesopotamia being a cradle of civilization begins with the rise of agriculture in 8,000 BC, not with the rise of cities in 4,000 BC.When would you say Ethiopian civilization started? Because from what I can see it started a bit too late to be considered a cradle, while we don't know for sure yet it's possible that Ethiopia experience 2 whole ethnic shifts between 2500 BCE to 1000 BCE with spread of Cushitic and subsequently Ethio-Semitic.
Most of Mesopotamia didn't even have agriculture in 8000 BCEI guess I see a "cradle" as the rise of an independent agriculture, rather than necessarily a civilization. For me, Mesopotamia being a cradle of civilization begins with the rise of agriculture in 8,000 BC, not with the rise of cities in 4,000 BC.
wouldnt using terraces stop that?Also, the soil tends to be relatively thin because monsoon rains wash much of it downhill: That's where the silt with which the Nile annually enriches Egypt comes from....
according to wiki it had alot of closed-canopy forests in the wetter parts so wouldnt that be a source of firewood? and im pretty sure the highlands were mostly populated by sedentary farming kingdoms rather than semi nomadic people whom were mostly in the south and east.Category:Crops originating from Ethiopia - Wikipedia
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It certainly looks possible, but I believe all of these were domesticated after civilisation started emerging in Mesopotamia and Egypt. In terms of landscape, Ethiopia often has a lack of firewood and a lot of conditions that favour semi-nomadic lifestyles and nothing like Egypt or Mesopotamia or China where a king can control irrigation, which is probably why there were no centralised states in the region before 1000 BC or so.
Maybe, but IOTL that seems never to have occurred to anybody there. Maybe the bedrock is too close to the surface, and too hard, for terracing to be practical?wouldnt using terraces stop that?
The lack of firewood is a more modern problem, caused by the massive deforestation in the 80s and 90s. And while it's true that the region lacks proper irrigation, it's possible for a system to emerge naturally. There are a massive amount of rivers, not to mention the large annual rainfall in the highlands, so a system of irrigation & terraced agriculture could form naturally and thrive.It certainly looks possible, but I believe all of these were domesticated after civilisation started emerging in Mesopotamia and Egypt. In terms of landscape, Ethiopia often has a lack of firewood and a lot of conditions that favour semi-nomadic lifestyles and nothing like Egypt or Mesopotamia or China where a king can control irrigation, which is probably why there were no centralised states in the region before 1000 BC or so.
The firewood issue was severe enough that it prevented the imperial Ethiopian court from staying in one place for more than a few years, although that was more a hindrance to urbanisation.The lack of firewood is a more modern problem, caused by the massive deforestation in the 80s and 90s. And while it's true that the region lacks proper irrigation, it's possible for a system to emerge naturally. There are a massive amount of rivers, not to mention the large annual rainfall in the highlands, so a system of irrigation & terraced agriculture could form naturally and thrive.
A reverse migration from OTL into Yemen would be naturalI would think the main problem would be that if farming arose in the Ethiopian Highland it would have a hard time spreading.
Not really, the migration of the court was more of a political development than anything else, due to the independent minded nature of the local lords and governors throughout the nation. Out of all the environmental issues that affected the itinerant court, the droughts and pests were more of an issue than anything else, as the Court was known to burn through local food storage and often left provinces vulnerable to starvation.The firewood issue was severe enough that it prevented the imperial Ethiopian court from staying in one place for more than a few years, although that was more a hindrance to urbanisation.
from wiki:Maybe, but IOTL that seems never to have occurred to anybody there. Maybe the bedrock is too close to the surface, and too hard, for terracing to be practical?
All the surrounding hills have been terraced for cultivation, and present much the same appearance as the hills in Greece and Asia Minor, which have been neglected for centuries; but nowhere in Greece or Asia Minor have I ever seen such an enormous extent of terraced mountains as in this Abyssinian valley. Hundreds and thousands of acres must here have been under the most careful cultivation, right up almost to the tops of the mountains, and now nothing is left but the regular lines of the sustaining walls, and a few trees dotted about here and there. This valley is most completely shut in, quite such an one as one can imagine Rasselas to have lived in