Blue Skies in Camelot (Continued): An Alternate 80s and Beyond

[LordYam]

Yes, but my problem is only that the author seems to have given these two a bit too much of a free hand to influence him compared to other people, nothing else. It made me feel uneasy, nothing personal.🙂

You seem to assume that we're making him write what we suggest. It could just be that he likes the ideas and nothing else. The only posts you've made on the entire site are about how we're apparently influencing him too much (and I fail to see why asking about Roman Polanski was somehow "pestering" him.)

When those are the only posts you make it's rather odd.

 

[PRM]

Indeed, who knows, maybe RFK's presidency would cause the "Christian Left" to become mainstream in TTL.

Except instead of the judgemental doomsday brunch of the right. The Christian left will be one of hope, love, compassion and optimism.

 

[Nishimura89]

Except instead of the judgemental doomsday brunch of the right. The Christian left will be one of hope, love, compassion and optimism.

Indeed. A hopeful scenario is that RFK's presidency would let to the American South becoming slowly but surely more secular and gay-friendly under a religious veneer, with most of the reform in the Bible Belt coming from within as progressive churches became more and more popular and evolution became universally accepted.

 

[PRM]

Indeed. A hopeful scenario is that RFK's presidency would let to the American South becoming slowly but surely more secular and gay-friendly under a religious veneer, with most of the reform in the Bible Belt coming from within as progressive churches became more and more popular and evolution became universally accepted.

Let's hope so. Though that makes me wonder if the Catholic Church would be among that group of progressive churches?

 

[bjlu0900]

You seem to assume that we're making him write what we suggest. It could just be that he likes the ideas and nothing else. The only posts you've made on the entire site are about how we're apparently influencing him too much (and I fail to see why asking about Roman Polanski was somehow "pestering" him.)

When those are the only posts you make it's rather odd.

My beef was your seeming too interested in those unless you had a personal feud or grudgegoing on and repeating your suggestions/requests/demands several times in those particular formulations. Also, I must admit, you seemed to want bad things to happen as in OTL "before the fact" or as if he was "destined" to do it, to spite him/them. I apologize, but your choice of words was perhaps my main issue.

 

[LordYam]

My beef was your seeming too interested in those unless you had a personal feud or grudgegoing on and repeating your suggestions/requests/demands several times in those particular formulations. Also, I must admit, you seemed to want bad things to happen as in OTL "before the fact" or as if he was "destined" to do it, to spite him/them. I apologize, but your choice of words was perhaps my main issue.

Polanski had a record of rape long before 1977. He kinda WAS destined to do those bad things because he was a pedophilic creep. The main change is that he gets thrown in jail rather then fleeing and conning people into thinking he’s a poor persecuted artist.

And I hardly did so in a way that was repetitive or pushy. I asked once or twice if President_Lincoln would be willing to tackle certain things. They decided on their own that they liked the ideas enough to do them. I was hardly as bad as the other guy CalBear felt the need to comment on.

It felt like you were personally offended at the suggestions themselves.

 

[bjlu0900]

Polanski had a record of rape long before 1977. He kinda WAS destined to do those bad things because he was a pedophilic creep. The main change is that he gets thrown in jail rather then fleeing and conning people into thinking he’s a poor persecuted artist.

And I hardly did so in a way that was repetitive or pushy. I asked once or twice if President_Lincoln would be willing to tackle certain things. They decided on their own that they liked the ideas enough to do them. I was hardly as bad as the other guy CalBear felt the need to comment on.

It felt like you were personally offended at the suggestions themselves.

I was afraid you would go too far with your suggestions, and it would backfire and hurt others. Your first time requesting/suggesting was years ago and I seem to recall you repeating it at least three times with very similar formulations. That was what made me think of you that way, sorry if I upset you. I’m backing off, for now.😉 Happy Easter everyone.

 

[Nishimura89]

Let's hope so. Though that makes me wonder if the Catholic Church would be among that group of progressive churches?

Hopefully so, although for added legitimacy within the Bible Belt, it would be better if the group of progressive churches were largely Protestant churches.

 

[PRM]

Hopefully so, although for added legitimacy within the Bible Belt, it would be better if the group of progressive churches were largely Protestant churches.

Yeah that's true

 

[LordYam]

For Bond, I think that a good way to differentiate the Glover era is that while it's more episodic, there are callbacks. PRM suggested that Kissy Sizuki play a role in Tremor of Intent, and I think that's a brilliant idea. In the books Kissy was pregnant with Bond's child, and we could also meet Bond's child here (one thing that EVERYONE remembers about NTTD is Mathilde Swann's introduction, and it could be a similar scene here.)

I also think that for Tremor some of the sequence from here

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can be adapted. Bond saves the alt Severine equivalent, and pointedly refuses to sleep with her (having realized that she can't give proper consent). Bond and Kissy realize that reconciliation won't work, but we meet Bond's son and things remain amicable. AltSeverine is given to the CIA for protection before the climax, and we find that she and Felix are getting close.

Pierce was supposed to be Bond earlier, but Remington Steele kinda blocked that. I'm wondering if Bond can be rebooted post Cold War; basically the Craig Reboot occurs a decade earlier.

This leads to three Bond, each with their own era and trademark:

Connery Bond: Overarching Saga, gets darker towards the end
Glover Bond: Episodic, but with callbacks to the previous era
Third Bond: Kind of a combination. A major theme is that Bond is getting somewhat older and feels like he's getting passed by. He's seen as more of a relic. That said, there is a evil organization a la SPECTRE, but also some stand alone stuff. Runs to 1992, when there's a 30th anniversary that also serves as a sort of end of an era.

Reboot: Starts off with a modern Casino Royale (like Craig Bond), and then tries to do its own thing.

 

[Shockeye7665]

My picks will be the same as the possible candidates from our timeline, with a wildcard.
01. Lewis Collins
02. Michael Billington
03. Michael Jayston
04. Timothy Dalton
05. Christopher Reeve (he'll probably take this role to diversify his portfolio, so to speak...)
Feel free to add on any other actors, the only limitation is them being from the British Isles (Lazenby isn't around here.)

Well, I would love to see Lewis Collins or Michael Billington in the role as well as Timothy Dalton (my favourite Bond), but maybe other candidates I would suggest would be Liam Neeson, David Warbeck, Ian Ogilvy, or if you want to get really radical, Antony Hamilton or Christopher Guest.
Of course, if they are not chosen for the role of Bond, they could at least probably get a supporting role or a villainous role.

 

[PRM]

Well, I would love to see Lewis Collins or Michael Billington in the role as well as Timothy Dalton (my favourite Bond), but maybe other candidates I would suggest would be Liam Neeson, David Warbeck, Ian Ogilvy, or if you want to get really radical, Antony Hamilton or Christopher Guest.
Of course, if they are not chosen for the role of Bond, they could at least probably get a supporting role or a villainous role.

Those are all great actors so I agree with you that if they aren't Bond they should at least have supporting roles

 

[aksolute]

Well, I would love to see Lewis Collins or Michael Billington in the role as well as Timothy Dalton (my favourite Bond), but maybe other candidates I would suggest would be Liam Neeson, David Warbeck, Ian Ogilvy, or if you want to get really radical, Antony Hamilton or Christopher Guest.
Of course, if they are not chosen for the role of Bond, they could at least probably get a supporting role or a villainous role.

Neeson is a tad too young for this, I think.
Also, Alan Rickman as a Bond villain in the '80s.

 

[Shockeye7665]

Neeson is a tad too young for this, I think.
Also, Alan Rickman as a Bond villain in the '80s.

Yeah, on second thought, by around 1982/1983 is a bit too early for Neeson to become Bond. In fact, I'd love it if he was cast in TTL's Die Hard as TTL's John McClane.

But I do love the thought of Alan Rickman as a Bond villain in the 80s/90s.
Or even a wild thought that might attract him. If the film is something like Goldeneye, and the main villain is a 00 agent, like Alec Trevelyan in OTL, Alan Rickman could be cast as a 00 agent, with audiences expecting him to be the villain, only to be shocked as he's killed off by the real villain!

 

[aksolute]

I'm wondering if Bond can be rebooted post Cold War; basically the Craig Reboot occurs a decade earlier.

Assuming the Cold War ever ends.

 

[Uniquely Genius]

Assuming The Cold War ever ends.

With the US returning back to Containment by President RFK, State Secretary Muskie, and NSA Brezezinski; and the USSR welcoming reforms and not increasing military budget with The New Troika in office, The Cold War would continue in the 90's and maybe in the 2000's ITTL. These may be our predictions for what would happen throughout the decade ITTL, but only Mr. President here would decide if our forecast would happen or not in the next chapter updates.

 

[PRM]

With the US returning back to Containment by President RFK, State Secretary Muskie, and NSA Brezezinski; and the USSR welcoming reforms and not increasing military budget with The New Troika in office, The Cold War would continue in the 90's and maybe in the 2000's ITTL. These may be our predictions for what would happen throughout the decade ITTL, but only Mr. President here would decide if our forecast would happen or not in the next chapter updates.

I don't think it would contiue into the 2000s if Gorbuchev is successful in his reforms and transforms the Soviet Union into a republic the cold war could end either at the same time as OTL or a few years early but I don't think it would go no farther than 1993.

 

[Nishimura89]

the USSR welcoming reforms and not increasing military budget with The New Troika in office

I think you're misreading this. The Suslov-led Troika, if anything, has been made clear that they are HARDLINERS and they want to either preserve the status quo or roll back the clock, as well as being MORE active in going up against the "Ewol Capitalists" wherever and whenever they are. NO perestroika, glasnost, or detente nonsense if they had anything to do with it.

Of course, Gorby, while sidelined, is still in the game, and if the troika makes some foolish mistakes...

 

[Formica Memory]

Yeah, on second thought, by around 1982/1983 is a bit too early for Neeson to become Bond. In fact, I'd love it if he was cast in TTL's Die Hard as TTL's John McClane.

But I do love the thought of Alan Rickman as a Bond villain in the 80s/90s.
Or even a wild thought that might attract him. If the film is something like Goldeneye, and the main villain is a 00 agent, like Alec Trevelyan in OTL, Alan Rickman could be cast as a 00 agent, with audiences expecting him to be the villain, only to be shocked as he's killed off by the real villain!

November: But then! But then. Timothy Dalton -- who the movie still wants us to pretend we don't yet know is our new Bond––he looks over, and who. do. we. see.

Devon (deadpan): It's fuckin' Alan Rickman, baby.

November: Yes! Alan––

Abigail (leaning away from microphone): Yippeekiyayy mothafuckaaaaas!!!

November: Alan Rickman! Guy we like to see! About to get 009'd––

Devon: Double-oh tenned, elevened, twelved..

Abigail: Voted off the island.

November: Right, because this film's development hell has, famously, as we mentioned in the View to a Kill episode, signed on so many "next James Bonds" that EON have no choice contractually but to use all of them somehow..

Abigail: I couldn't find numbers on all of them, listeners, but we know Lewis Collins, for his three minutes of screentime in this MI6 cold open as double-oh.. thirteen? was paid almost two million dollars––

Devon: Fiennes only gets half a mil, RIP.

Abigail: Good work if you can get it! Ms. Broccoli, I know you're listening, my agent's number is..

November: So, yes, Bond-is-a-codename theorists, you stand in triumph: Lewis Collins IS James Bond, sort of, for a minute. Ralph Fiennes IS James Bond, sort of, for a minute. Alan fucking Rickman IS..

Devon: And don't forget, groundbreakingly..

November (muffled): ..damn it, the drop––

Julian Glover: "A woman!"

November: Yes! Joanna Lumley is here too, she being a suspiciously shooting-proficient new Moneypenny––

Devon: But not for long, don't worry––

November: That is right. Because... only one of our 00 agents will be leaving tonight alive.

Abigail: Three Days of the Condor-ass situation.

November: Man. Ever just have a really bad case of the Mondays?

Devon: This never happened to the other fella.

Abigail: But I do really like what they do here, because we have the camera tracking with each of our doomed 00s in turn as they see––cleverly finding ways each time that we the audience can't yet see––the assassin, so at one point we even suspect Rickman maybe is the assassin; but the thing throughout this movie of mirrors and facets starts here, and I don't know––

Devon: "Yo, ever see Rashomon, dude?"

Abigail: Right, baby's first themes maybe, but I do think there's something there? Dalton really is going to be sort of refracted and distorted through violence into 007, Bond, James Bond over the course of this movie.

November: Yeah, check out this perspectival shit's gonna be in your James Bond movie this evening, because it's the 1990s and Brian De Palma will have you know that he is not your dad's Bond film director...

(at this point the random noise generator's anomalous period of low-entropy output seems to pass, and it goes back to just giving static)

 

[President_Lincoln]

Loving the discussion here, as always.

Apologies for not posting this past week. I've been absolutely buried with essays and other grad school work. I haven't been able to get another update about films from 1981 together quite yet. I may be able to post before the end of this week, but I promise, I am working to get back to Blue Skies as soon as possible.