Such fantastic details here - really enjoy each post you make!
Much appreciated.
Such fantastic details here - really enjoy each post you make!
At this point Santo Domingo would have parity or even outnumber its western neighbor considering the shift in immigration, relaxation of trade, and movement of maroons. Slaves never did make up more than 30% of the population after 1560 anyway. (And thats the absolute most generous count)
By 1780 the colony had 200,000 people IOTL, and I suspect it'd be the same or more by now.
Btw has Carlos III enacted free trade yet? He did historically in 1775, Id suspect with the need to secure more control and make money this might get passed earlier.
So historians, like Frank Moya Pons for example have been challenging the traditional view of a thinly populated Santo Domingo for the past few decades, and recent estimates put the 1790 population to be 180-200,000+ range. This number was cut more than half by the Haitian Revolution for a number of reasons, and compounded by waves of emigration due to instability, leading to the 1850 figure being so low.I think even with a massive drop in population on Saint Domingue, it would still outnumber the Spanish 2/3's of the island. Per populstat, the first population census was in 1850 at 136,000. This, however, is after the huge amounts of damage caused by the Haitian invasion of the early 19th century so it may very well have been 200,000 in 1760.
Fun thing, historically it grew not just from immigration from Europe but from other colonies (Cuba and Mexico are the big examples but Venezuela also was a major source of people moving in), as colonials were attracted by the ease of obtaining land.With Spain pressing for more Spanish-Italian-"Other" immigration to Brazil than the rest of their colonies, I don't think Santo Domingo would grow quickly.
So roughly almost even at this point. I think the 1750 population of Sto Domingo was around ~150,000. Not sure.However, Saint Domingue would certainly fall quickly given the negative 8% population change on a normal year without replenishing slave shipment from Africa. That doesn't even count the costs of the war. There would be an almost immediate plummeting of population due to the gender inequity.
I would suggest that Saint Domingue's population would drop by well over half in the past 10 years, probably below 200,000.
Which could of course mean that they remain Danish for a shorter period than they remained British, British neglect was, after all, relatively benign neglect. Hanover was mainly left to its own devices and its borders guaranteed. Remember the fable of King Log and King Stork!Fundamental they replace neglect by the British with a more active crown.
Which could of course mean that they remain Danish for a shorter period than they remained British, British neglect was, after all, relatively benign neglect. Hanover was mainly left to its own devices and its borders guaranteed. Remember the fable of King Log and King Stork!
Is William Pitt Jr still alive? We know his father died, but is junior is still alive him as the American equivalent of Lord of the Treasury/Prime minister (WHatever) might literally be something amazing.
WIlliam Pitt the US Minister...
Great stuff!
Though I rather doubt Fox’s willingness to be the puppet leader of a French-backed illiberal dictatorship.
On Hanover... I wonder if TTL's Denmark might end up with a pro-German policy and try to take the lead in unifying Germany (similar to the role that OTL Prussia took), be the main alternative to the Catholic Austria in doing so. After all, the Danish king probably has just as many (Low)-German-speaking subjects as Danish ones, what with Schleswig, Holstein, and Hanover being under the Danish monarchy now...Some of my point was that the Hanoverians may be somewhat unhappy with a more active crown, but the fact that they have more influence may make for it or not. But a lot depend on how warmongering Denmark was, I would suspect not very, the king is a drunk, the crown prince ended up going insane in OTL (this is not a sure thing, he had a depression in his youth and self medicated with alcohol and likely ended up with a alcohol psychosis, he could be kept as a somewhat moody but sane king, he was intelligent, but he need a different wife than in OTL). In general Denmark will likely just keep running status quo. The major foreign policy things which happened from 1760ties was a attempted invasion of Algiers (which failed, but a stronger Denmark may succeed here) a colonial war in Africa with the Dutch, the ban of the slave trade, attempt to set up plantages in Africa instead of the West Indies (failed in the short term, a success in the long term), a failed attempt to move in on the whaling industry (with UK and Netherlands have other things to deal with, it may happen here), the Hessian states falling into Danish orbit (it will happen here and to much greater extent)
A few thoughts, the collapse of the sugar trade and the fall of UK would lead to European wide recession after the war. It likely have fewer consequences at the day, but we may see mercantilism getting a point of glory.
So a few effect, the Prussians was experimenting with sugar beet production before the war, but in OTL it only became economic competitive in the 19th century, though under the Napoleonic Wars we see a rise in the production. I could very well see sugar beets rising earlier here with the sugar production crisis. The major problem with sugar beet production are the need for fuel in it production. But likely regions where it would be grown would be Saxony, which do have coal field, so we may Saxony being the center of a sugar beet fueled industrialization (reaching into Bohemia, Silesia and Brandenburg). Denmark would likely be a secondary center but they would likely import coal, as the coal prices have likely fallen with much of the British industry in ruins after the war.
In general we will likely see British skilled workers and general know how spread across Europe and North America rather fast, as Britain have seen a collapse in wages and large scale unemployment (something which doesn’t really happen in Europe, as the urban population are too small elsewhere).
A few thoughts about Denmark, with Hanover being given to the Danes, the Danes are where Prussia was after the Austrian Succession War; the least of the great powers. While the Danish army wasn’t as horrible as described here, it was in a bad position, and after this war the Danes are likely reforming the army based on the advice of French expects, this happened in OTL, and the result was the establishment of a conscript army, beside the standing army. Outside that Denmark are likely also getting a influx of Brandenburgian nobles, who seek military service in Denmark with the army of Brandenburg down sizing. In general the Danish crown are likely in full haste integrating and standardizing his new domains and in general reforming. Hanover may not be happy being under a Danish king, but the Danes are more likely messing in internal Hanoverian matters, are also more likely to listen to Hanover over foreign policy adventures and economic integrating Hanover. Fundamental they replace neglect by the British with a more active crown.
On Hanover... I wonder if TTL's Denmark might end up with a pro-German policy and try to take the lead in unifying Germany (similar to the role that OTL Prussia took), be the main alternative to the Catholic Austria in doing so. After all, the Danish king probably has just as many (Low)-German-speaking subjects as Danish ones, what with Schleswig, Holstein, and Hanover being under the Danish monarchy now...
I still think they would refer to themselves as 'British', and as the continuation of the British Empire and United Kingdom with the North America former colonies raised as a constituent part given the UK in the British Isles has been torn apart and William is only the King of England - they could rightfully claim Henry as King of Great Britain and North America. Like I said given many colonials still though of themselves as British and given the large amount of British people that have migrated - even if the aristocracy are now disliked and they have no interest in reclaiming their lands for them - they would still be a lot of desire there to reclaim the home islands. And if they manage to do so they would have plenty of power over a reclaimed British Isles so they could easily have the capital and court permanently based in North America - especially if it would took a long time to get back - with London as a Second City/Capital.
Given it took a Rebellion (that took place more than a decade in the future compared to independence here) i.e. literally fighting against the British, and successful Independence (and many British loyalists leaving) for the majority of colonials to even begin to refer to themselves as American (after all the casus belli was literally predicated on them being English) they seem to have adopted 'American' way to easily and quickly here, especially when there's a lot of reasons to continue to refer to refer to themselves as British; prestige, heritage, legitimacy, pissing William off, pissing the French off etc.
As far as they're concerned they should be the British now-based in North America and not a whole new nationality and essentially a Monarchist USA - really this isn't a lot different to a lot of King George Washington stories at the moment, when it makes more sense that it's a Kingdom of Great Britain exiled to America. The majority of the population is either British colonists that came across pre-war or British Exiles that came across post-war and the King is also the rightful King of Great Britain (even ignoring William's treachery he's only King of England and given he's a French puppet he has implicitly given up the title to King of Great Britain given his French masters dissolved it).
I'm just saying, the British in North America (including all the colonials) seem to have given up the Kingdom of Great Britain and a British national identity(s) (English/Welsh/Irish/Scottish etc) way to easily considering the circumstances (i.e. no war against each other, ergo colonial vs British, and actually fighting together against England's eternal Enemy France so they should actually feel even MORE British).